ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #10

[ClaireNC]

I have a question.

Given that, as I understand the current situation, that only parents/family/friends have been searching the area the last days/weeks with little or no LE presence.

Is it plausible that LE/FBI would allow them to find Deorr if there was the slightest chance he was out there?

That is a good question, TTWO. I think the answer is yes they will "allow" it because they have no legal reason to stop them from searching. Of course finding ones own child dead would not be a good thing and LE might suggest that they no for that reason. We often see that in cases of missing people where the family continues to look long after LE have given up.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Thanks, Claire. I find that quite sad, actually. I would understand it more if it was allowed after exhausting all possibilities but not after just a week or so of full on searching.

Especially when it is a child.

Here in the UK when a child (and adults sometimes) goes missing family liaison officer(s) are "embedded" with the family at home. These are the bridge between parents and the investigating officers. That's not to say other family members help in searches. Just not the parents in recent cases I remember.

 

[Cardinal47]

I really doubt that IMO, because LE would have got the basics, like "when did you leave your house?" and "when did you arrive?" immediately (Friday), so I think they would say "yesterday" or "Thursday". I don't think they would use a calendar date to refer to the day before. It seems, for whatever reason, they wanted LE to believe that they left their home on Friday. I just am not sure why. Maybe it's an innocent reason. I dunno.

ETA: Also, thinking about it more, if the parents did use a calendar date in that context, I think LE would have said, "July 10th, so today, and you arrived this morning?" etc. I don't think they would keep referring to the day as strictly the calendar date. I think there would be a lot of chances in talking to both parents for clarification. Just a bit of a mystery.

In their interview they tried to be very specific about things that don't seem to matter? MOO

I think one would have to know the person speaking to know if that is the way they are all the time or if this is different.

 

[carbuff]

In their interview they tried to be very specific about things that don't seem to matter? MOO

I think one would have to know the person speaking to know if that is the way they are all the time or if this is different.

I noticed that too. They were wicked specific about peripheral thoughts and vague about what really mattered. As you say, it might be their normal speaking way, or it might be the shock and grief and pain, but it did strike me as unusual.

 

[Little Ol Me]

IMO, I don't think Sheriff Bowerman saying that "we learned during our investigation", implies that they learned the parent's arrival date, at a later time, other than the first day, or first time they were ask.
I'm sure the "investigation" began the first day, at the campsite. Thus, they learned when they arrived, during the investigation.

EBM, ..correction.

 

[KayCherry]

Sorry if I missed it, but I wondered if the immediate family was still searching the campsite? Also, was it PROVEN that DeOrr was at the campsite, I recall the lady in the store, not confirming it was him. Knowing everyone acts differently when faced with a crisis, I felt the 911 was so calm for the mom. No voice cracking or tears, or begging them to hurry, just kinda off, sorry just my inner intuition. I hope I am wrong... I have 3 kids and know the feeling when one meanders away, and it is crippling.

 

[Cricket99]

Joining

 

[crh8]

Things also get confusing when there are multiple "places of interest". In this case, they are in two different main "places of interest" and they are also in different counties 2 hours apart. They are the campsite and DeOrr Jr.'s home. There are also multiple agencies involved and miscommunication is common. I hope that for the sake of DeOrr Jr. LE was very meticulous while collecting and obtaining information, getting warrants before searching, etc. The more that comes out in the media makes the first articles have incorrect information. It's bizarre.

 

[kyrarose]

Sorry if I missed it, but I wondered if the immediate family was still searching the campsite? Also, was it PROVEN that DeOrr was at the campsite, I recall the lady in the store, not confirming it was him. Knowing everyone acts differently when faced with a crisis, I felt the 911 was so calm for the mom. No voice cracking or tears, or begging them to hurry, just kinda off, sorry just my inner intuition. I hope I am wrong... I have 3 kids and know the feeling when one meanders away, and it is crippling.

I have seen a lot of people comment on reactions of the mom during the call, etc. I agree that things do not seem right with this case, but I don't put a lot of stock in analyzing the reactions. I lost my son when he was 2, and decided to go for a "walk." My husband at the time thought that I was crazy because I was so calm. I had just walked in from a trip to the grocery store to have him tell me that he couldn't find our son, and my response was, "What should do I do with the groceries?" I was utterly calm during the whole event, until he found him, at which point I broke down completely. People react differently to things. To all those who say they would be a crying, screaming mess, well - maybe you would, but that doesn't mean that everyone would. Just IMO.

 

[kammiemc]

IMO, I don't think Sheriff Bowerman saying that "we learned during our investigation", implies that they learned the parent's arrival date, at a later time, other than the first day, or first time they were ask.
I'm sure the "investigation" began the first day, at the campsite. Thus, they learned when they arrived, during the investigation.

EBM, ..correction.

It could be that LE and the press got the whole thing wrong and the parents actually relayed that they left their home and arrived at the campground on Thurs. But, is it an impossibility that the parents said they left IF and arrived at the campsite on Fri? I am thinking it's 50/50. I have no dog in this fight, but I am not sure why the automatic assumption is an ineptitude of either LE or Nate--or both--when there is literally nothing pointing in that direction.


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[kammiemc]

Sorry if I missed it, but I wondered if the immediate family was still searching the campsite? Also, was it PROVEN that DeOrr was at the campsite, I recall the lady in the store, not confirming it was him. Knowing everyone acts differently when faced with a crisis, I felt the 911 was so calm for the mom. No voice cracking or tears, or begging them to hurry, just kinda off, sorry just my inner intuition. I hope I am wrong... I have 3 kids and know the feeling when one meanders away, and it is crippling.

The sheriff said he is 99% sure that little DeOrr was at the campsite. For some that is proof he was there, for others that means there is doubt. I am inclined to think he was there just because I don't like thinking of the alternative scenarios.

In the end, it doesn't matter what we assume. The sheriff has handed over to the FBI exactly what he knows and what he was told in very convo to the FBI, and they will hopefully make some sense of the whole thing.


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[neesaki]

I know of someone I met via Facebook (he lives in Idaho and is a former serviceman who has been a part of these types of searches before) who is also trying to organize a search in September. He has met with the Sheriff and Deorr's family and has been to the site where Deorr disappeared. This guy has followed David Paulides' work and has also tried to track Sasquatch. He told me that he had an encounter with a Sasquatch a number of years ago. He said if they have not found Deorr by the middle of September, he is going to search for him.

I say bring 'em on, what can it hurt, no one else seems to be searching. Am I wrong?

 

[TeaTime]

Did anyone dig up the campfire?

 

[webweaved]

Did anyone dig up the campfire?

I thought of this too. The dogs can smell/locate human remains even after they are burned. I would *think* the dogs would have hit on that. Excellent question though. IMO. I really hope we are not looking for human remains. Poor child.

 

[starfire]

It could be that LE and the press got the whole thing wrong and the parents actually relayed that they left their home and arrived at the campground on Thurs. But, is it an impossibility that the parents said they left IF and arrived at the campsite on Fri? I am thinking it's 50/50. I have no dog in this fight, but I am not sure why the automatic assumption is an ineptitude of either LE or Nate--or both--when there is literally nothing pointing in that direction.

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You may know this, but there are 2 different Nates from East Idaho News who have reported on little Deorr. Nate Sunderland wrote the first article(s) and some follow-up articles. Nate Eaton did the video news report about the campground, the interview with the parents, the interview with the sheriff, and other articles.

 

[starfire]

Thanks for your post, BeeFriendly. After doing some research on the two most recent fund raising efforts, I have also come to support them.

Just curious -- in your research did you find out if the $2500 is to hire just one searcher and a cadaver dog, or a whole team of searchers and dogs? Is Harry Oakes involved? Do you know how many days the search is planned for and what the distance is that will be searched?

If little Deorr is out there, I hope they are able to find him.

 

[Dee10]

The date of arrival was not bad reporting and the correct date was not corrected until over a month later, Aug. 12th despite a number of interviews from LE in the press. Personally, I am not going to make any assumptions or excuses for this huge error, it is what is.

From the Uncut video transcript (Aug 12):

Sheriff Bowerman:
“Well, the family, from what I understand,that we learned during the investigation arrived the evening prior to July 10th, sometime fairly close to dark on Thursday, July 9th..."

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/ Article underneath (updated Aug. 18th)

"Authorities had said the group arrived Friday, July 10,.."

 

[ninij9]

I really hope the FBI has some new information. We are just rehashing the same details over and over. I still believe in my gut that little Deorr wandered away and is somewhere up there. I was reading on another website stories from a SAR officer and some of the stories about where they end up finding lost children ..... crazy and truly unbelievable.

This past weekend I was at a public event and there was an older man (I would say mid to late 70's) and he was carrying his oxygen tank with him. He was pretty active and agile and was having zero problems getting around. At one point he said he was going to go have a CIGARETTE and left. His son just shook his head. Anyway .... the tank was small and portable and it made me think of the GGP.

I did see a pic of GGP on SM, I think it was daughters FB, where he was at a campgrounds with a very small portable oxygen device. He was standing and he was holding in. It was about the size if a lunchbox. It is a recent picture because that pic of DeOrr we keep seeing by a lake? It was from that trip and there were other children there as well. Anyway, GGP looked tall and pretty able to me. FWIW. JMO.MOO.

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[ILOKAL]

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http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80558245/

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[Mickshawn]

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http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80558245/

Mods, if too OT please delete with my apology.

I volunteer with a Lost Dog Group (as well as a rescue), so this makes my heart happy.