ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #10

[neesaki]

I know many of us are dog lovers so for you and everyone I share this story I found. I don't know if it's been posted elsewhere but I know it will bring smiles and a warm heart to all.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80558245/

Mods, if too OT please delete with my apology.

That poor sweet baby, :cry: lost for so long. But what a survivor It's a miracle that he survived out there all that time, but it's wonderful that he did and is finally back with his family. ILOKAL, I think I'll share this story over on the Sidebar thread, they're all dog lovers over there.

 

[bessie]

I may just be imagining it but I thought a recent article/report stated that the homes and vehicles of all POI had been searched. I believe the parents had their home and vehicles searched more than once, if I'm not mistaken.

"Bowerman said everyone at the campsite has had their vehicles and homes searched several times, and Bonneville County deputies and the FBI are now working with Lemhi County detectives."

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/

 

[Dee10]

I believe it was pointed out before that the first quote above is a direct quote attributed to the Sheriff.

The second is NOT a direct quote by the Sheriff or authorities; it is simply a line from the article that you have placed quotes around, and very possibly reporter misinterpretation.

Big difference.

Oh no, I didn't mean to imply at all the Sheriff of any offical said "Authorities had said the group arrived Friday, July 10,.." I took it has this particular news media or reporter defending, where the July 10th arrival originated from, in other words that it wasn't a misprint on their part.

I didn't personally want to speculate, but you're right, reporters could have misinterpreted it somehow, LE could have misinterpreted the four at the campsite, maybe forgot to ask, or possibly LE was not given the correct day of initial arrival for whatever reason. But, I do read from the article the date was not a misprint that was just carried forward it seems. Why did LE who had many chances, not correct this information for over a month? Everything in this case is odd.

 

[alexwood]

I think babies should be micro-chipped at birth.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

"Bowerman said everyone at the campsite has had their vehicles and homes searched several times, and Bonneville County deputies and the FBI are now working with Lemhi County detectives."

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/

Forgive me for being pedantic about this bessie, but it was brought up in the comments of that article on another similar point.

The sentence you posted is what Nate Eaton said Bowerman said in the video in voice over.

I don't understand if Bowerman said those words to Nate Eaton why they're not in quote marks in the article like many others.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

I think babies should be micro-chipped at birth.

I agree, and I'm not joking.

 

[kammiemc]

Oh no, I didn't mean to imply at all the Sheriff of any offical said "Authorities had said the group arrived Friday, July 10,.." I took it has this particular news media or reporter defending, where the July 10th arrival originated from, in other words that it wasn't a misprint on their part.

I didn't personally want to speculate, but you're right, reporters could have misinterpreted it somehow, LE could have misinterpreted the four at the campsite, maybe forgot to ask, or possibly LE was not given the correct day of initial arrival for whatever reason. But, I do read from the article the date was not a misprint that was just carried forward it seems. Why did LE who had many chances, not correct this information for over a month? Everything in this case is odd.

IMO, any of those things could have happened. However, I think the least likely scenario of all is that LE forgot to ask when the missing boy and his parents left their house and arrived at the campsite. I do not assume for a split second that happened. JMO, IMO.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Oh no, I didn't mean to imply at all the Sheriff of any offical said "Authorities had said the group arrived Friday, July 10,.." I took it has this particular news media or reporter defending, where the July 10th arrival originated from, in other words that it wasn't a misprint on their part.

I didn't personally want to speculate, but you're right, reporters could have misinterpreted it somehow, LE could have misinterpreted the four at the campsite, maybe forgot to ask, or possibly LE was not given the correct day of initial arrival for whatever reason. But, I do read from the article the date was not a misprint that was just carried forward it seems. Why did LE who had many chances, not correct this information for over a month? Everything in this case is odd.

I don't think it was LE's responsibility to correct the information. They knew it and that's all that really matters.

 

[charminglane]

Thread #10.
And this poor little boy is still God knows where.
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[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Question: in a situation like this where proper supervision was not given, can parents be charged with neglect, endangerment, etc.?

 

[charminglane]

Question: in a situation like this where proper supervision was not given, can parents be charged with neglect, endangerment, etc.?

I would think, if not deemed suspicious by LE, that the suffering of the parents/family is enough.

 

[sunflowerchick]

Question: in a situation like this where proper supervision was not given, can parents be charged with neglect, endangerment, etc.?

I'm sorry. I don't understand your question. How was proper supervision not given?

 

[kammiemc]

Question: in a situation like this where proper supervision was not given, can parents be charged with neglect, endangerment, etc.?

I sure hope they wouldn't be if the worst thing they did was leave little DeOrr with GGP (and possibly IR) for 10 mins or even a half hour--especially if they believed he was okay with GGP, which they said. That just seems like such an innocent mistake.
However, if something happened that made the parents fear neglect charges and so something was covered up, that might be a different story.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

I'm sorry. I don't understand your question. How was proper supervision not given?

GGP thought mom and dad were watching him; mom and dad thought GGP was watching him.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

I sure hope they wouldn't be if the worst thing they did was leave little DeOrr with GGP (and possibly IR) for 10 mins or even a half hour--especially if they believed he was okay with GGP, which they said. That just seems like such an innocent mistake.
However, if something happened that made the parents fear neglect charges and so something was covered up, that might be a different story.

GGP thought mom and dad were watching him; mom and dad thought GGP was watching him. It seems no clear directive was given to anyone as to who was supposed to be watching him. GGP is GGP. The child's parents are the guardians.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Question: in a situation like this where proper supervision was not given, can parents be charged with neglect, endangerment, etc.?

I suppose it depends on why proper supervision was not given. If a parent (any parent, not specifically these) is unable to properly supervise their child because they are drunk, high or otherwise indisposed, they might very well face charges. If the lack of supervision is due to an oversight, mistake, etc., there seems to be far more leeway in pressing charges (judging by cases where children are left in hot cars, drowned in unattended pools, etc.). After all, losing your child is a pretty horrible punishment on its own.

 

[bessie]

Well, head on over to the Missing forum, folks. You'll find there are thousands of innocent, suffering parents with lost children.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

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I suppose it depends on why proper supervision was not given. If a parent (any parent, not specifically these) is unable to properly supervise their child because they are drunk, high or otherwise indisposed, they might very well face charges. If the lack of supervision is due to an oversight, mistake, etc., there seems to be far more leeway in pressing charges (judging by cases where children are left in hot cars, drowned in unattended pools, etc.). After all, losing your child is a pretty horrible punishment on its own.

Your explanation makes a lot of sense. Thanks!

 

[ILOKAL]

GGP thought mom and dad were watching him; mom and dad thought GGP was watching him. It seems no clear directive was given to anyone as to who was supposed to be watching him. GGP is GGP. The child's parents are the guardians.

According to the sheriff, GGPA told him he looked away for just a brief time and when he looked back, little Deorr was gone. I believe what's been told to US, although I'm NOT sure if it's an assumption or who even might have said it, is that at that point GGPA "assumed" little Deorr had gone over the bank to be with his parents. So it sounds like the parents and GGPA all knew little Deorr was staying behind with GGPA and that the parents thought this was fine and thought little Deorr would be good with GGPA by the campfire. When little Deorr disappeared, GGPA either SAW him go over the bank toward his parents or assumed that's where he had gone. That would explain that there WAS a clear directive which all parties understood and would also explain why GGPA didn't go after little Deorr (because he either saw him go toward his parents or assumed he had). JMO

 

[Elle*Bee]

Forgive me for being pedantic about this bessie, but it was brought up in the comments of that article on another similar point.

The sentence you posted is what Nate Eaton said Bowerman said in the video in voice over.

I don't understand if Bowerman said those words to Nate Eaton why they're not in quote marks in the article like many others.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding your question, but the lack of quotation marks signifies that Eaton was paraphrasing what Bowerman said. Perhaps Eaton couldn't recall Bowerman's exact words or the actual quote was too long or convoluted so Eaton edited it for clarity. If it's not a direct quote, then that explains the lack of quotations.