ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #10

[renarde]

Who is the man sitting next to DK? Is that Jessica's dad?

Yes. Interesting.

 

[sunflowerchick]

It's really difficult to know that DeOrr still has not been found. It is also difficult to think about what this family is going through. On top of their missing baby, they will be criticized, scrutinized and judged for every word and action.

I honestly believe that there was no abduction. I think they will find something in that camping area at some point and they hopefully will have enough to lay little DeOrr to rest. But these parents probably feel a tremendous amount of guilt and ask themselves "what if" every day. I think abduction is their way of holding on to some hope.

Also, I think that the "distancing language" mentioned here by some is not as sinister as people want to assume. Many people distance themselves during times of crisis. It is a defense mechanism. Mom looks like she will lose it at any moment. This is tragic and I feel for all of them.

 

[kammiemc]

"Monday Vilt and members of the Kunz family will return to the Leadore area to re-enact Kunz's disappearance. Vilt is hoping this proves Kunz was abducted and that his parents played no role in his disappearance."

Interesting. I wish I could attend...

Conducting a re-enactment to prove to the public that the parents weren't involved in the disappearance of little DeOrr is pretty opposite of going quiet so that the focus will be on DeOrr, so I'm not totally following that logic.

But I am glad that they are doing something, because I don't think that the family going silent makes people focus more on the toddler. In fact, I think they're the only ones who can make some noise and keep DeOrr on people's radars.

He is a such a beautiful child. I think the grandma is absolutely heartbroken.

 

[kammiemc]

Wow. She looks awful, like she's just collapsing in on herself with grief. It looks like she's completely given up.

I'm afraid this is exactly what I would do.

That is totally possible. (I would be beyond grief stricken and probably in a straight jacket after two months), but I honestly can't tell at all from her not looking up what was going in her heart and mind, except that she obviously didn't want to look up at the camera or speak. Almost about to collapse from grief? Fear of judgment? Guilt? All of the above? Regardless, a terrible position for any parent to be in. Just horrifying.

 

[bluesneakers]

That is totally possible. (I would be beyond grief stricken and probably in a straight jacket after two months), but I honestly can't tell at all from her not looking up what was going in her heart and mind, except that she obviously didn't want to look up at the camera or speak. Almost about to collapse from grief? Fear of judgment? Guilt? All of the above? Regardless, a terrible position for any parent to be in. Just horrifying.

I think all of the above. She likely blames herself, and she knows people who blame her and she knows strangers are blaming her. That's a lot of guilt, shame, fear, and isolation. As harshly as the public is judging her I'd bet she's even harsher on herself. Add to that trying to accept her son is gone and she will probably never see him again... I don't even know how a person gets out of bed in such a situation.

I hope she's getting a lot of emotional support.

JMO.

 

[flourish]

So now some are implying that the grandma is involved as well?? That she was using this "distancing language"?

This is why some people refuse to speak to media - their every word, gesture, facial expression is picked apart and over-analysed from the minute it's been published.

YES.
This.
I understand why they aren't talking and I think he wandered, became lost then perished from injury, animal, drowning, or exposure.
This poor family. I have an immense amount of sympathy for them.

 

[flourish]

I think all of the above. She likely blames herself, and she knows people who blame her and she knows strangers are blaming her. That's a lot of guilt, shame, fear, and isolation. As harshly as the public is judging her I'd bet she's even harsher on herself. Add to that trying to accept her son is gone and she will probably never see him again... I don't even know how a person gets out of bed in such a situation.

I hope she's getting a lot of emotional support.

JMO.

If you're me, you only get out when your sister forcibly drags you.

 

[Mickshawn]

So someone hid behind a tree, waiting for an opportunity for Deorr to be unattended, and grabbed him... Hmmm, not logical. Period.

Could somebody(s) have encountered them all down by the creek???????

 

[Deleted member 718]

If you're me, you only get out when your sister forcibly drags you.

But you did it, didn't you. I am so sorry for what you have gone through.

Maybe I'm a heartless old b*tch, but if I had one tiny inkling that my child might be found if I spoke out on TV, I'd be out there screaming to the masses. I'd walk over hot coals.

And to make it clear, I don't feel the parents are responsible. Which makes their actions all the more strange to me.

 

[bluesneakers]

But you did it, didn't you. I am so sorry for what you have gone through.

Maybe I'm a heartless old b*tch, but if I had one tiny inkling that my child might be found if I spoke out on TV, I'd be out there screaming to the masses. I'd walk over hot coals.

And to make it clear, I don't feel the parents are responsible. Which makes their actions all the more strange to me.

What if you didn't think speaking up would help, and what if you knew speaking up would draw more criticism and judgment? That's where I think she is. Hopeless.

 

[Deleted member 718]

What if you didn't think speaking up would help, and what if you knew speaking up would draw more criticism and judgment? That's where I think she is. Hopeless.

Then let people criticize and judge me. I wouldn't care. Like I said, if I had one tiny hope that it may bring my son home, I'd do whatever I had to do.

Perhaps there are reasons why she doesn't feel able to voice her thoughts. I don't know. I want to hug her and tell her to Mom-up.

 

[bluesneakers]

Then let people criticize and judge me. I wouldn't care. Like I said, if I had one tiny hope that it may bring my son home, I'd do whatever I had to do.

Perhaps there are reasons why she doesn't feel able to voice her thoughts. I don't know. I want to hug her and tell her to Mom-up.

The tiny hope part is what I mean. Imagine if you didn't have that. If you knew speaking up in public wouldn't help anything. When I look at her that's what I see. Someone who has given up.

 

[catswhiskers]

Every time I follow a case involving kids I constantly think about how I'd be reacting in the parents' shoes. I realise we can't know unless it actually happens to us, but I sometimes think I'd be absolutely paralysed with grief. I know that whenever I'm stressed or traumatised over much less important things, I tend to withdraw - to the point of retreating to my room and having to force myself to step outside. That's just how some of us react - especially if prone to some form of depression. I'd like to think that if it involved my kids I'd be a ferocious bear of a woman, fighting until I had answers - but I just don't know if I'd fall apart and need sedating!
I look at JM in pics with little DeOrr and see a mum full of adoration for her gorgeous little guy - and he also seems blissfully happy with his mum. I'm thinking she is beyond distraught with grief, and DeOrr Senior sounds like he is barely holding it together himself in that most recent clip.

 

[jashrema]

Then let people criticize and judge me. I wouldn't care. Like I said, if I had one tiny hope that it may bring my son home, I'd do whatever I had to do.

Perhaps there are reasons why she doesn't feel able to voice her thoughts. I don't know. I want to hug her and tell her to Mom-up.

Exactly. I think I would come off as completely unhinged and people would have a field day. But who cares?

 

[katydid23]

When they do the reenactment, will GGP and IR be there? Will they video this reenactment? I am very curious to see what happened in the 10 minutes---where did the parents go? Where was IR? Did they say anything to GGP before they walked off?

Who is going to 'play' DeOrr? This will be heartbreaking to re -enact.

 

[Mickshawn]

Every time I follow a case involving kids I constantly think about how I'd be reacting in the parents' shoes. I realise we can't know unless it actually happens to us, but I sometimes think I'd be absolutely paralysed with grief. I know that whenever I'm stressed or traumatised over much less important things, I tend to withdraw - to the point of retreating to my room and having to force myself to step outside. That's just how some of us react - especially if prone to some form of depression. I'd like to think that if it involved my kids I'd be a ferocious bear of a woman, fighting until I had answers - but I just don't know if I'd fall apart and need sedating!
I look at JM in pics with little DeOrr and see a mum full of adoration for her gorgeous little guy - and he also seems blissfully happy with his mum. I'm thinking she is beyond distraught with grief, and DeOrr Senior sounds like he is barely holding it together himself in that most recent clip.

I don't know how a person could function in that situation.....The worst grieving....a little child, not knowing, all of it. Incredibly sad..

 

[bluesneakers]

Exactly. I think I would come off as completely unhinged and people would have a field day. But who cares?

My question was what if you knew it would do no good AND it would bring criticism. Not if it might do good but you'd get criticized. If you knew the only thing that would come from whatever you say or do is only more harsh judgment.

She didn't look to me like she cared what people thought. I think she's beyond that.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[catswhiskers]

When they do the reenactment, will GGP and IR be there? Will they video this reenactment? I am very curious to see what happened in the 10 minutes---where did the parents go? Where was IR? Did they say anything to GGP before they walked off?

Who is going to 'play' DeOrr? This will be heartbreaking to re -enact.

I think it's a great idea - especially if all parties are available. I wonder if something similar already happened back when DeOrr first went missing? You'd think it would have been very valuable to LE - getting everyone to show them exactly where they were and where they went etc.
I've heard of investigators arranging re-enactments here in Australia before - though usually in busy areas where an abduction has taken place, in the hope of jogging memories of locals and others passing by.
I'd think for this to be effective they'd almost have to set up the camp as it was that weekend, to get a feel for different lines of sight etc. I wonder if that will happen?

 

[dek]

I don't think so, he's still in prison isn't he.

It was stated on the video that it was Deorr's Grandpa, Jerry Mitchell. He's Jessica's father.