ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #13

[scmom]

They arrived Thursday evening and didn't set up their equipment. Then they waited until coming back from town on Friday to begin setting it up. That does not make much sense to me. I would have thought they would have done that first thing the next morning.

 

[renarde]

1. DK said it was him just at a different time. It's in an interview.
2. That is what I remember.


I thought they said they bought him fries????

Could there have been more than one trip to the store?

Maybe Thursday evening around 6 pm, then Friday around noon?

 

[jbelle]

Many posters seem to easily cast away other possibilities and hang on to dear life to their own theory. I wish LE could be so certain about something.

All I know is...I won't be surprised. Taken by a mountain lion, drowned, missed by searchers, abduction, accident and cover up and any other possibility. Except one I guess, and that is stranger abduction.

Whatever the resolution (and I pray there is one) I hope there are no "I told you so!'s" or "I said it first's!" LOL

I very much agree.
This week I read on two cases. The first was little Rain, who was found alive thank goodness, she was in a field wearing purple and they searched it twice and missed her, this little guy is in camo in a forest. The other one was Becky Watts. If you want to see everyone's "hinky" meters going off, read that one. The whole first threads were about how weird and guilty that Dad was, and he was completely innocent.

Not saying I have ruled out foul play, just saying I haven't ruled out ANYTHING. LE needs to start over and search that place AGAIN.

 

[desert-blue]

They arrived Thursday evening and didn't set up their equipment. Then they waited until coming back from town on Friday to begin setting it up. That does not make much sense to me. I would have thought they would have done that first thing the next morning.

I'm getting more confused now.... (which I suppose is not surprising). In the recent news clip it states, "Thursday evening just right around dark time they arrived, set up camp and then Friday morning, somewhere around 10:30 or 11 is when they went to Leadore," Bowerman said.

Is there conflicting information that says they set up camp on Friday after they got back from the store? Was that in one of the interviews?

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

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Ok, I myself tend to agree with Mark Klaas because he's actually been through this particular kind of hell, so I have great respect for his opinion. I do think each situation is different, though.
And maybe you're right, maybe they're all lawyered up out the kazoo. But we don't know that so can only sit here and wonder. In fact about all we do know amounts to little more than diddly squat. JMO

I just wanted to clear up any misconceptions that might have been perceived by my comment about Klaas. I, too, have the utmost respect for him and he has done wonderful things for the missing and their families. I agree with his advice except for not lawyering up if one is innocent. You can lawyer up and still cooperate with LE. I wouldn't want to be questioned by my local small town LE without having an attorney present. Four cruisers arrive when one is caught speeding. I can only imagine what it would be like to face them during an account of a missing child. They have ultra-big egos and act like they are being featured on COPS! I don't mean any disrespect to LE in general; just my local yokels. I'd definitely call them in time of need, and have done so, but I wouldn't want to be under their microscope without a lawyer by my side.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I'm getting more confused now.... (which I suppose is not surprising). In the recent news clip it states, "Thursday evening just right around dark time they arrived, set up camp and then Friday morning, somewhere around 10:30 or 11 is when they went to Leadore," Bowerman said.

Is there conflicting information that says they set up camp on Friday after they got back from the store? Was that in one of the interviews?

Here is what I don't get. Why "somewhere" around 10:30 or 11? (assuming it doesn't change again) They have a time stamped receipt right? so take away 20-25 minutes for the trip= pretty precise time.

*Screams internally*

 

[kammiemc]

Could there have been more than one trip to the store?

Maybe Thursday evening around 6 pm, then Friday around noon?

I guess there is no reason there couldn't have been, only that would mean that LE either didn't know about that extra trip at the time of their first interview or chose for whatever reason not to share that info.
But since LE only learned about the Thurs arrival during their investigation, maybe they learned other things during their investigation too that they just have not shared.


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[Yvettea]

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[ILOKAL]

LE never Called Off The Search. They searched for 10 - 15 days and that was it. They called off a planned search but not due to funds being used. The funds were to be used for expenses to bring in the searcher this person wanted to use.

Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch out of Texas would be a wonderful one for this job but it takes both LE and the family to request his services.

There are many search teams. Where are they? Why don't we see anybody searching for this little lost boy?

Why isn't the sheriff talking. Heck it's been three months. He can say what he has found. He doesn't have to incriminate anybody.

Has he asked for more help and additional searchers? Has he opened up to those wanting to search?

I swear this befuddles me. Neighbors lost their dog and they spent days passing out flyers, walking the streets, knocking on doors. Alerting police on patrol to be on the look out.

DeOrr...silence. Just the sound of silence and accusations with no proof to back any of them up.

It might have been this one or that one or an animal attack or a stranger.

Still no searching and no DeOrr.

Surely by now we could at least know if the little guy ate a french fry at the little store in Leadore! Sigh...

Thank you Cardinal47 - BEST post ever (on this case)!

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

I don't believe it would have been Thursday at 6 pm because they reportedly arrived at the camp site at 9:30 pm. What would they do for 3 hrs before arriving at the site which is just 20 minutes away?

Yes, indeed. What would they have been doing for 3 hours if they did go to the store Thursday at 6:00. I need to stop getting carried away with thoughts that have no firm bearing.

 

[desert-blue]

Here is what I don't get. Why "somewhere" around 10:30 or 11? (assuming it doesn't change again) They have a time stamped receipt right? so take away 20-25 minutes for the trip= pretty precise time.

*Screams internally*

Don't ask me - those are Sheriff Bowerman's words! He doesn't like to pin anything down - he knows the time stamp but I guess he doesn't know how long it took them to drive from the campsite to the store?

 

[desert-blue]

I guess there is no reason there couldn't have been, only that would mean that LE either didn't know about that extra trip at the time of their first interview or chose for whatever reason not to share that info.
But since LE only learned about the Thurs arrival during their investigation, maybe they learned other things during their investigation too that they just have not shared.


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If I find out later that they arrived in Leadore at 6:00 on Thursday and went to the store and sat around eating french fries for three hours while creepy man stared at Deorr, I'm going to explode...

 

[kammiemc]

Here is what I don't get. Why "somewhere" around 10:30 or 11? (assuming it doesn't change again) They have a time stamped receipt right? so take away 20-25 minutes for the trip= pretty precise time.

*Screams internally*

Maybe that's when the parents said they left the campsite for town and that's all the sheriff has to go on. (Would GGP and/or IR be able to say? Dunno!)

The parents wouldn't have a receipt until after they did their shopping. But hard to imagine shopping in a small store would take too long. So if they had up until 11 to leave, that receipt might be time-stamped anytime between 11:30 to 12:30, in order for them to get back to the campsite around 1 o'clock.

And I do assume they returned around 1 PM. Just because, if they returned much earlier than that, say, noon or 12:30, (or later than that, say 1:30) seems like DK would have instead used one of those times to approximate when they were back at the camp and didn't leave again. IMO


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[ILOKAL]

I don't believe it would have been Thursday at 6 pm because they reportedly arrived at the camp site at 9:30 pm. What would they do for 3 hrs before arriving at the site which is just 20 minutes away?

I still think the clerk may have been basing her recollection around a meal time. Either she was eating or was getting ready to eat when they came in the store and when she was recalling if she remembered them she might have remembered that they were there during/around her lunch/dinner. So she recalled it as around dinner, 6:00 PM, but it was actually around lunch, 12:00 noon. Just something to consider.

 

[desert-blue]

I still think the clerk may have been basing her recollection around a meal time. Either she was eating or was getting ready to eat when they came in the store and when she was recalling if she remembered them she might have remembered that they were there during/around her lunch/dinner. So she recalled it as around dinner, 6:00 PM, but it was actually around lunch, 12:00 noon. Just something to consider.

The problem is that the sheriff hasn't indicated that there was any such sighting, regardless of the time.

 

[katydid23]

I still think the clerk may have been basing her recollection around a meal time. Either she was eating or was getting ready to eat when they came in the store and when she was recalling if she remembered them she might have remembered that they were there during/around her lunch/dinner. So she recalled it as around dinner, 6:00 PM, but it was actually around lunch, 12:00 noon. Just something to consider.

ummm....that kind of sounds like we are bending into a pretzel shape to try and twist things to fit...JMO

 

[kammiemc]

The problem is that the sheriff hasn't indicated that there was any such sighting, regardless of the time.

That's a good point. The clerk (or someone else) might have said something different that was repeated until it turned into that rumor as interpreted by JM and DK. (I can imagine someone telling someone, for example, "I did see a toddler with blond hair bawling in the store, but it was at 6 PM and I'm not sure if it was a black truck" and it being spiced up through grapevine.)


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[ILOKAL]

ummm....that kind of sounds like we are bending into a pretzel shape to try and twist things to fit...JMO

No, bending into a pretzel shape to try and twist things to fit is having DK and JM go to the store at 6:00 Thursday or go once on Thursday and once on Friday! I'm merely offering a simple explanation of eye witness testimony that is invariably unreliable.

 

[Mickshawn]

The problem is that the sheriff hasn't indicated that there was any such sighting, regardless of the time.

Right.....The parents talked about the clerk and rumor of the the filthy bawling toddler and guy in black truck which has never been verified.

And the Sheriff doesn't indicate this sighting at all...I'm just sure they would have questioned this clerk. Big discrepancy here.

 

[katydid23]

No, bending into a pretzel shape to try and twist things to fit is having DK and JM go to the store at 6:00 Thursday or go once on Thursday and once on Friday! I'm merely offering a simple explanation of eye witness testimony that is invariably unreliable.

But I don't believe that clerks get both lunch and dinner breaks. A shift is usually 8 hrs or so. Usually only one meal break is given,imo.