ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #15

[LaLaw2000]

Annie, you're not the only one who feels that way. I said as much several pages back. He's like the flim-flam man! IMO

I sized him up after his first statement coming into this case. I also posted that several pages back!

JMO

ETA:

If Klein is waiting for the FBI to talk with him or give him any answers, he has a very long wait coming and I don't believe LE would share any information with him either. I can believe that the previous investigator had a good rapport with LE because of his years with LE and the Marshals Service. IMO, private investigators like Klein is someone LE doesn't care much for.

There have been far more intelligent posts here at WS than anything Klein has stated, IMO. He hasn't come up with any more information than has been reported on or speculated on here in my opinion.

 

[Rayemonde]

I don't have much faith in Klein either - remember the Patrick McDermott case...
"After they were able to retrieve "documentation and voice imprints" from him, Klein called an official end to the hunt, saying they had "concluded beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. McDermott is alive."

But Yvette Nipar said Klein is a "well-known serial liar (who) is simply looking to be famous at the expense of an unfortunate tragedy in our lives." Nipar said although Klein repeatedly promised he would prove McDermott was alive, he "never provided anything whatsoever" as proof of life.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_McDermott

It's 5 years later and Klein still hasn't provided any evidence to back up his claims


However, I am hopeful since LE have said they have new leads! Maybe Klein has convinced someone to tell the truth? Or maybe someone has just changed their story and it won't lead anywhere

 

[LaLaw2000]

I won't quote your post because of space, Rayemonde, but I am convinced the new or reluctant witness providing new light is one or both of the older couple that was camping on the mountain at the same time and Klein had nothing to do with them coming forward.

I do remember the Patrick McDermott case. Klein embarrassed himself (if that is possible) on that case!

JMO, JMO, JMO

 

[MBK]

There can be truth in a lie. The insistence on the abduction scenario reveals that indeed, little Deorr was never there, IMO.

 

[ILOKAL]

If someone is lying and/or withholding information about a crime they witnessed and/or took part in, could he/she be charged with obstruction of justice?

If they took part in a crime, they would be charged accordingly. Remember, the threshold is beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[EllieBee]

Please, please, please. Everyone here should always remember this. No one EVER has to answer questions, PERIOD! Not under ANY circumstances!

I thought if you refuse to answer an officer, especially at a traffic stop, they could arrest you and even use force? I know I read that on another thread.

Sorry for O/T, but this has me curious.....

 

[EllieBee]

I always thought he used the word "replica," really meaning "epitome." IMO

Lol, and I thought he meant "genuine article". Who knows? :lol:

 

[webweaved]

Marking spot. Those 4 need to come clean. JMO.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I thought if you refuse to answer an officer, especially at a traffic stop, they could arrest you and even use force? I know I read that on another thread.

Sorry for O/T, but this has me curious.....

BBM:

No, no, no, EllieBee! There would be no reason to use force. It would depend on why you were stopped as to whether or not you would be in trouble for not answering. There is no quotable statute for an arrest for 'not answering'. Any question can be given as a command. An officer does not have to ask if you have insurance on your vehicle. Instead he or she asks for license, proof of registration, and insurance. They can ask how much you have been drinking and you still do not have to answer because they can do a field sobriety test. They can ask if you know how long your tail light has been out - lol, if you state you didn't know it was out, chances are you get a warning. There are a million examples, EllieBee! I can't imagine there being a question about a routine stop that someone would not answer. Now drugs is another whole ballgame, IMO. No one could be expected to say yes, my trunk is full of drugs if asked!

* O/T: On another thread (Noah's) you stated where you are from and I am from near where you are. Does SPD ring a bell? My late husband retired from that police department. I was a parish deputy for 10 years. Even the young gung-ho officers/deputy's of today know their statutes and there is not one for not answering a question! Rest easier about that! You never, ever have to answer any questions. You can always refuse unless you are under oath in a subpoena situation.

JMO

Sorry for the off topic.

 

[iluvmua]

There can be truth in a lie. The insistence on the abduction scenario reveals that indeed, little Deorr was never there, IMO.

This is what i'm starting to believe. They have found NO trace of him anywhere, no scent, no personal belongings etc. nothing!!

jmo

 

[Mountaingazer]

Has anyone read that IR is refusing to be interviewed by LE? All I have read is that he had been cooperating with LE and had just turned down the request to be interviewed by Klein. And to be honest, I would not agree to be interviewed by a PI either, they are not bound to the same legal requirements and ethical codes as LE and I can think of a few examples from here on websleuths where they have acted recklessly.

I wish we could get a statement from one of the official agencies involved with their thoughts on Klein's press release and latest interview.

I am crossing my fingers and hoping Tricia can get the Sheriff on her radio show again!

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[pepelepolecat]

Can LE "force" Issac to be interviewed?

Not without his attorney present.

 

[pepelepolecat]

That kindof amazes me....that LE cannot insist an interview.

He's not under arrest for anything. And ...

"You have the right to remain silent when questioned ... You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future."

 

[iluvmua]

Has anyone read that IR is refusing to be interviewed by LE? All I have read is that he had been cooperating with LE and had just turned down the request to be interviewed by Klein. And to be honest, I would not agree to be interviewed by a PI either, they are not bound to the same legal requirements and ethical codes as LE and I can think of a few examples from here on websleuths where they have acted recklessly.

I wish we could get a statement from one of the official agencies involved with their thoughts on Klein's press release and latest interview.

I am crossing my fingers and hoping Tricia can get the Sheriff on her radio show again!

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No, just that he refuses to talk to KI. I would not talk to them either. jmo

 

[Roselvr]

Has anyone read that IR is refusing to be interviewed by LE? All I have read is that he had been cooperating with LE and had just turned down the request to be interviewed by Klein. And to be honest, I would not agree to be interviewed by a PI either, they are not bound to the same legal requirements and ethical codes as LE and I can think of a few examples from here on websleuths where they have acted recklessly.

I wish we could get a statement from one of the official agencies involved with their thoughts on Klein's press release and latest interview.

I am crossing my fingers and hoping Tricia can get the Sheriff on her radio show again!

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From what I read on Kleins FB page plus the articles, it sounds like IR lawyered up after LE interviewed him the 1st time. I think LE has not told anyone that he won't come back in. To me, it is sounding like something happened to DeOrr while IR & grandpa were watching him. Possible grandpa doesn't even know; but I think IR is looking like the one to solve this.

 

[ninij9]

Hi. I haven't been on this thread in a very long time. I just wanted to say that firstly, if there was an accident such as DeOrr expiring in vehicle due to hear stroke, there would be fluid evidence. If a vehicle accidentally ran over DeOrr, there would be blood evidence. If Deorr ingested illegal substances there would be vomit evidence. So for me that rules out accidental death at campsite. This Klein guy hasn't led me in any direction besides the one I have felt in my heart since day one, and that is this poor baby wandered away. The only accident I can think of that wouldn't leave so much evidence behind is if he fell in creek, was recovered by family and hidden. But why would they do that? Anyway, you guys are great for keeping this thread alive for so long. Thank you Kimi for your transcription.

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[ILOKAL]

I thought if you refuse to answer an officer, especially at a traffic stop, they could arrest you and even use force? I know I read that on another thread.

Sorry for O/T, but this has me curious.....

You really think LE can (legally) use force to coerce someone to talk? Not saying it's never done, unfortunately! Can you be arrested illegally? It happens EVERY day! If you're stopped, there is supposed to be probable cause. If they come to your home because they "think" something is going on, there is supposed to be probable cause. In a routine traffic stop where they are stopping all cars, show them your license, insurance, and registration. You don't "need" to answer any questions.

Now, having said all that, there's a reality that should not be overlooked. We raised our children to respect authority and LE in particular. We told them, if you're stopped, be respectful and cooperative but you don't need to answer a lot of questions. Let them arrest you, without incidence (because "some" would just as soon shoot you as look at you), and we will sort it all out later.

 

[ILOKAL]

Not without his attorney present.

Once a person has stated they are represented by counsel, no further questions can be asked. Contact must only be made to the attorney. The client nor attorney can be made to come in for an interview. If there is probable cause that the client has committed a crime, that probable cause must be presented to a judge who will then decide if, indeed, there IS probable cause, and if so, will issue an arrest warrant.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Let's stop beating around the bush: The PI's investigation has led him to believe that one or more of the four adults on the trip killed Deorr, whether by accident or on purpose. Now to quote a well-known WS mantra: "You wouldn't cover up an accident".

 

[Arnie M]

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I think if there was any suspicion about IR the parents would have been barking up that tree since day one.

The actions of the parents from day one shows they think the boy wandered away from the campsite , they kept searching there until winter set in.

Because no trace of the boy has been found , the parents began clinging to the faint hope of a possible abduction , cant blame them for that because it allows for the possibility he is still alive. But by all indication the father thinks DeOrr is in the forest , in one of the later interviews he said he was looking for even just a single thread of clothing ,