ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #15

[neesaki]

I find it very interesting that one of the pictures in this article is a (much) younger looking Deorr strapped into a car seat along with the title "I think we know 'how', we're just trying to figure out 'why'. The picture I assume chosen by Nate. It has been suggested as a possibility by many that maybe Deorr fell asleep on the way back from the store and perhaps he was left to nap with his hoody sweatshirt jacket on. According to Deorr Sr.'s father who wasn't there at the campground but told People Mag. the blanket little Deorr took everywhere was found in the truck. To me it is curious, the chosen picture coupled with the headline.

I have wondered if cadaver dogs hit on scent in one of the vehicles, and LE just chose not to report it. If it was an accident involving the parents though, I'm not sure why IR would be fearful to the point of not coming forward before now, and to the point of lawyering himself up. Why wouldn't he want to clear himself?

On the other hand, if it was an accident involving IR, why would the parents and GGP want to hide that? Just thinking out loud really trying to make some sense out of all this.

 

[ILOKAL]

I have wondered if cadaver dogs hit on scent in one of the vehicles, and LE just chose not to report it. If it was an accident involving the parents though, I'm not sure why IR would be fearful to the point of not coming forward before now, and to the point of lawyering himself up. Why wouldn't he want to clear himself?

On the other hand, if it was an accident involving IR, why would the parents and GGP want to hide that? Just thinking out loud really trying to make some sense out of all this.

I think it could go something like this. GGPA was watching DeOrr. IR offered to take him fishing and GGPA let him. DeOrr never came back.

 

[ZooSleuth]

From what I read on Kleins FB page plus the articles, it sounds like IR lawyered up after LE interviewed him the 1st time. I think LE has not told anyone that he won't come back in. To me, it is sounding like something happened to DeOrr while IR & grandpa were watching him. Possible grandpa doesn't even know; but I think IR is looking like the one to solve this.

I don't recall IR was ever watching Deorr with the the grandpa. IR was supposed to be fishing at that time.

 

[Aunt_Tulip]

Even according to KI, IR didn't refuse to be interviewed. He said he would with his lawyer present, but according to KI, the lawyer never returned his calls.

 

[audsmommy]

I have wondered if cadaver dogs hit on scent in one of the vehicles, and LE just chose not to report it. If it was an accident involving the parents though, I'm not sure why IR would be fearful to the point of not coming forward before now, and to the point of lawyering himself up. Why wouldn't he want to clear himself?

On the other hand, if it was an accident involving IR, why would the parents and GGP want to hide that? Just thinking out loud really trying to make some sense out of all this.

Because they were doing something illegal??? IR doesn't want to clear himself because he is either guilty or knows what happened. Also, in regards to no fluid being found at the site -- what if he wasn't killed/died at the site? In the very beginning of this case there was a lot of talk of him NEVER even being at the campsite.

The only way they are going to find DeOrr is if someone breaks and starts talking. I saw his little face on a billboard a few weeks ago and it is so upsetting.

 

[neesaki]

It depends on the credibility of this so called "witness", IMO. I'm still working on the credibility of Klein!

True, also, didn't SB make a statement about this new witness as well? I'd better go back and check.

ETA: Didn't state was a "new" witness.

 

[jbelle]

Add me to the Klein is a joke camp. I actually am disgusted by what is going on.
Whoever said this guy is working for free and for Deorr is so very very wrong. The exposure his business gets from such high profile cases is invaluable. He's not working for free.

It is routine for PI's to "strongly suggest" people come forward, I've seen that here on Websleuths cases before. It's just a tactic to get things rolling. Problem is, I don't think there is anything
to "get rolling" here.

I really hope there is more evidence than lack of evidence. The majority of cases like this that I have followed with very little ones have dogs coming up with no scent. On page one right now we have poor Noah lost, no scent. I think the exact same thing happened with Deorr, he wandered. What happened after that I am not sure, a fall, curled up in
a crevice, animal predator??? A lot of cases I follow have people lost in the woods with no trace for years, if ever. I guess for me this case is not unique at all so my "hinky meter" didn't go off.

If there was abuse in this family there were tons of family members and other children that could have come forward. They all seemed to be in close contact.
I doubt the 4 adults on the mountain as well as their whole extended family would cover for them this long. And I am underwhelmed by this "witness" Klein speaks of,
if they had a great witness there would be arrests or at least pending arrests. There isn't.

 

[ILOKAL]

True, also, didn't SB make a statement about this new witness as well? I'd better go back and check.

I'm not sure if this "witness" has been referred to as a "new witness".

 

[desert-blue]

I know it's morbid, but they really need to find DeOrr's remains. I hope that is one of the leads being pursuing.

 

[ZooSleuth]

I'm not sure if this "witness" has been referred to as a "new witness".

Also, we have no confirmation yet that the witness Klein spoke of is the same one that the Sheriff was talking about.

 

[ILOKAL]

Also, we have no confirmation yet that the witness Klein spoke of is the same one that the Sheriff was talking about.

Yes, this is true! Thanks for the thought.

 

[Hoosier952]

Klein has 90% of the timeline locked down. I assume the timeline starts the day prior when they all left, there's nearly 24 hours to figure out. 90% of that would still leave about 2 hours unaccounted for. That's a huge amount of time considering there would be up to 3 other people to vouch for your whereabouts. What does it take for a timeline to be deemed accurate? If all 4 adults were to say the exact same thing, would that be accurate enough for LE? Or would they have to have things like receipts or video?

I still think IR is innocent in the disappearance, my mind hasn't changed since the beginning. I think he might know more than lead to believe. My best guess is he doesn't want involved in anything concerning LE or the investigation. Every thing he says could be misconstrued or used against him. If something happened and he wasn't involved, no matter who he points fingers at, he's risking the loss of his friendship with GGP. I still keep wondering why he asked the reporter if they had talked to GGP yet. That was the moment I really started believing that there was more to it than just a little boy wandering off when someone looked away for a brief moment.

I do have another question as well. If something like this were to happen and negligence was the cause of the disappearance, who could be charged with negligence? My gut says a non-parent shouldn't be held legally responsible, but at the same time, I feel like any adult should be capable and willing to make sure the child is safe and cared for.

 

[neesaki]

True, also, didn't SB make a statement about this new witness as well? I'd better go back and check.

Correcting myself, not a "new witness" , but "new leads" as stated by SB. Reposting here for reference:
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/01/lemhi-county-sheriff-deputy-we-have-new-leads-in-deorr-case/

 

[MBK]

If there was abuse in this family there were tons of family members and other children that could have come forward. They all seemed to be in close contact.
I doubt the 4 adults on the mountain as well as their whole extended family would cover for them this long. And I am underwhelmed by this "witness" Klein speaks of,
if they had a great witness there would be arrests or at least pending arrests. There isn't.

Did the father of the mother's other two other children (who has full custody?) ever come out with a statement of support? Have we heard from him lately?

 

[Arnie M]

I think it could go something like this. GGPA was watching DeOrr. IR offered to take him fishing and GGPA let him. DeOrr never came back.

I don't recall IR was ever watching Deorr with the the grandpa. IR was supposed to be fishing at that time.

The sheriff details who went where at the campsite ... should be in this radio interview

http://www.truecrimeradio.com/radio...d-bowerman-john-kelly-radio-archive-oct-2015/

 

[SweetT]

Add me to the Klein is a joke camp. I actually am disgusted by what is going on.
Whoever said this guy is working for free and for Deorr is so very very wrong. The exposure his business gets from such high profile cases is invaluable. He's not working for free.

It is routine for PI's to "strongly suggest" people come forward, I've seen that here on Websleuths cases before. It's just a tactic to get things rolling. Problem is, I don't think there is anything
to "get rolling" here.

I really hope there is more evidence than lack of evidence. The majority of cases like this that I have followed with very little ones have dogs coming up with no scent. On page one right now we have poor Noah lost, no scent. I think the exact same thing happened with Deorr, he wandered. What happened after that I am not sure, a fall, curled up in
a crevice, animal predator??? A lot of cases I follow have people lost in the woods with no trace for years, if ever. I guess for me this case is not unique at all so my "hinky meter" didn't go off.

If there was abuse in this family there were tons of family members and other children that could have come forward. They all seemed to be in close contact.
I doubt the 4 adults on the mountain as well as their whole extended family would cover for them this long. And I am underwhelmed by this "witness" Klein speaks of,
if they had a great witness there would be arrests or at least pending arrests. There isn't.

The truth of the matter is. If Deorr is still in the woods in a hole or something, or if a wild animal got him, there is no real need for Klein. He is only useful or has a job if something other than the above happened, and I dont think it did. I think he is out there and just hasn't been found JMO.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Listening again to the True Crime Radio interview and I'm reminded the details changed from earlier or at least a very different picture is portrayed compared to SB's earlier Nate Eaton interview. The parents and IR went together down to the creek (IR showing them where to fish) and thought they were leaving Deorr in the care of GGP, but GGP says Deorr followed them and disappeared over the embankment assuming he caught up to the parents.

Deorr was in no mans land. No one was ever alone with him according to this. IR has the perfect alibi by being with the parents during the time of disappearance.

Given what KIC have ruled out, where does that leave things?

 

[Arnie M]

Listening again to the True Crime Radio interview and I'm reminded the details changed from earlier or at least a very different picture is portrayed compared to SB's earlier Nate Eaton interview. The parents and IR went together down to the creek (IR showing them where to fish) and thought they were leaving Deorr in the care of GGP, but GGP says Deorr followed them and disappeared over the embankment assuming he caught up to the parents.

Deorr was in no mans land. No one was ever alone with him according to this. IR has the perfect alibi by being with the parents during the time of disappearance.

Given what KIC have ruled out, where does that leave things?

We covered this a while ago and here is what happened .... Nate is a young journalist and he gets quite a few things wrong .... to make it even worse he repeated his errors on the Nancy Grace show which is like throwing gasoline on a fire .

Then it got worse ... a whole bunch of people who watch sensational shows like Nancy Grace started posting on social media including 15,000 posts on websleuths. And the incorrect news reports took on a life of their own.

Hard to put out a gasoline fed fire.

The 4 people at the campground did not pour the gasoline on the fire , the sheriff , his co-workers , nor the FBI threw the gasoline on the fire. We did.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

We covered this a while ago and here is what happened .... Nate is a young journalist and he gets quite a few things wrong .... to make it even worse he repeated his errors on the Nancy Grace show which is like throwing gasoline on a fire .

Then it got worse ... a whole bunch of people who watch sensational shows like Nancy Grace started posting on social media including 15,000 posts on websleuths. And the incorrect news reports took on a life of their own.

Hard to put out a gasoline fed fire.

The 4 people at the campground did not pour the gasoline on the fire , the sheriff , his co-workers , nor the FBI threw the gasoline on the fire. We did.

Sorry Arnie, I don't understand. What I posted about is what SB himself has said on camera/radio. Nothing to do with Nate Eaton or anybody else!?

 

[ZooSleuth]

And I am underwhelmed by this "witness" Klein speaks of,
if they had a great witness there would be arrests or at least pending arrests. There isn't.

SBM. This witness came forward not even a week ago. Way too soon to be expecting arrests from their info IMO. The info also might not be enough for an arrest but could be crucial in exposing what happened and where they need to go from here.