ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #22

[Hoosier952]

I don't know if the 911 calls are important. But why were there 6 minutes between the first and last call? If JM and GGP were both at camp and GGP's call went through first, shouldn't she have known GGP was on the line? Did she even know GGP was calling?

IMO, saying GGP called 911 doesn't mean GGP's phone was used, it meant GGP actually made the call. The 4 times I've called 911, they've always asked for my name after getting information about the emergency or situation. If I recall, even before giving instructions on handling the emergency. I've only had to call for one truly medical emergency and that was over 10 years ago, so my memory is a bit hazy.

 

[carbuff]

I know lots of people have been discussibg the 911 calls and the order they were placed, but I am wondering what signifigance people assign to the subject? How do you think it plays into the events?
Thanks

As with most everything about this case, I go back and forth. Sometimes I think GGP called first and upset the entire carefully laid plan; other times I think it's not very significant at all, just a symptom of everybody going into a panic. Another one of those odd coincidences and weird behaviors that don't fit but don't seem all that important, either.

 

[Dee10]

No, I am not disputing what SB said, just your conclusion and reference your post #607 to make things less confusing.

You stated in Post #607, "SB also said he got a lawyer and they haven't talked to him a whole lot and because of that it's been a challenge. I don't know how els to take that other then he obviously got a lawyer and isn't saying anything. He also wouldn't talk to Klein. <snipped by me>"

IR was interviewed by Bowerman and Lemhi County Chief Deputy Steve Penner were in Idaho Falls working with Bonneville County Sheriff detectives and FBI agents. This was in mid January or so.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/0...ruthful-are-suspects-in-childs-disappearance/

 

[giagreen]

No, I am not disputing what SB said, just your conclusion and reference your post #607 to make things less confusing.

"SB also said he got a lawyer and they haven't talked to him a whole lot and because of that it's been a challenge. I don't know how els to take that other then he obviously got a lawyer and isn't saying anything. He also wouldn't talk to Klein. "

IR was interviewed by Bowerman and Lemhi County Chief Deputy Steve Penner were in Idaho Falls working with Bonneville County Sheriff detectives and FBI agents. This was in mid January or so.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/0...ruthful-are-suspects-in-childs-disappearance/

On January 29th SB said this about IR to reporter Nate.

"He’s probably been more consistent on his story from the very beginning. We haven’t seen any of the big discrepancies with him. Of course he hasn’t talked to us a whole lot either, so that’s been a challenge. He asked for an attorney before anybody else, but I think that kind of stems from some of his background. He’s had a lot of interaction with law enforcement over the years, so he’s probably just being cautious. But his actual statements have been pretty consistent, and they haven’t varied a whole lot."


SB flat out says "Of course he hasn't talked to us a whole lot either, so that's been a challenge" it couldn't be any more clear imo.

I'm not sure why it'd be a challenge if IR was in there willingly talking with them. Or how he's been so cooperative and helpful considering he hasn't talked with them a whole lot and cause of that it's been a challenge. And SB never said he has been consistent just that he's been more amd pretty consistent.

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[Dee10]

On January 29th SB said this about IR to reporter Nate.

"He&#8217;s probably been more consistent on his story from the very beginning. We haven&#8217;t seen any of the big discrepancies with him. Of course he hasn&#8217;t talked to us a whole lot either, so that&#8217;s been a challenge. He asked for an attorney before anybody else, but I think that kind of stems from some of his background. He&#8217;s had a lot of interaction with law enforcement over the years, so he&#8217;s probably just being cautious. But his actual statements have been pretty consistent, and they haven&#8217;t varied a whole lot."


SB flat out says "Of course he hasn't talked to us a whole lot either, so that's been a challenge"

I'm not sure why it'd be a challenge if IR was in there willingly talking with them. Or how he's been so cooperative and helpful considering he hasn't talked with them a whole lot and cause of that it's been a challenge. And SB never said he has been consistent just that he's been more amd pretty consistent.

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Right, but SB did not say, "he wasn't saying anything."

We'll have to agree to disagree with what the facts are ~ no
problem.

 

[giagreen]

Right, but SB did not say, "he wasn't saying anything."

We'll have to agree to disagree with the facts are ~ no
problem.

Lol its not about what he didn't say. It's about what he has said. If IR was in there talking to them and being this great and helpful guy then it wouldn't be a challenge. I'm not sure how els anyone could interpret that.
Fact is he said it's been a challenge cause they havent talked to him a whole lot. Facts are not in what he didn't say.
What he didn't say would be an "assumption"

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[persimmon]

It's a matter of quality versus quantity. As such, it appears IR has provided quality interviews and information. Somebody can indeed be more helpful despite availability if when they do speak, they do not lie, shift stories, or have an agenda. I believe SBs comment about challenging refers more to the fact that IRs attorney must be present for interviews so that makes scheduling challenging.
Nonetheless, his perspective is clear that IR has been consistent, honest, and helpful. I think SB understands and respects IRs decision to seek representation. Anybody in his place would be wise to do the same.

 

[Rayemonde]

As far as we know, the store clerk never said she saw a filthy, bawling baby with a man who drove a black truck on Friday evening at around 6pm, it was just a rumor circulating around town that JM and VDK wanted to clear up as not being DeOrr and VDK because DeOrr was already missing and although VDK drives a black truck, he was with S&R until the wee hours of Saturday. Unless SB tells us that the clerk did in fact see such a duo, I will keep this information in the 'dismiss as unreliable' file. And, no I don't think the parents made up this story; it is something they heard and were probably asked about.

The strange thing is, if there was no sighting why was Vernal so eager to say that the sighting of a filthy bawling kid was of him with DeOrr?

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

The strange thing is, if there was no sighting why was Vernal so eager to say that the sighting of a filthy bawling kid was of him with DeOrr?

And why was he bawling and filthy?

 

[giagreen]

It's a matter of quality versus quantity. As such, it appears IR has provided quality interviews and information. Somebody can indeed be more helpful despite availability if when they do speak, they do not lie, shift stories, or have an agenda. I believe SBs comment about challenging refers more to the fact that IRs attorney must be present for interviews so that makes scheduling challenging.
Nonetheless, his perspective is clear that IR has been consistent, honest, and helpful. I think SB understands and respects IRs decision to seek representation. Anybody in his place would be wise to do the same.

So then what's the challenge? Why would it be a challenge then for LE if the quality of IR interview were good enough that it doesn't matter if they haven't talked with him a whole lot.
He also has not ruled them out as poi and has said he can't rule out anyone els knowing anything so idk imo his info he gave couldn't of been that great then or he'd be ruled out.

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[persimmon]

The strange thing is, if there was no sighting why was Vernal so eager to say that the sighting of a filthy bawling kid was of him with DeOrr?

It's so difficult to judge these two because their behavior is so bizarre. Honestly, I have to go back and rethink everything. I cannot believe they would discuss a town rumor in their interview that should have focused on finding DeOrr and diseminating what facts they had at that stage. That's why I always thought it came from LE as an sighting that may or may not be relevant. All the information regarding this case is so convoluted it's becoming difficult to follow or even speculate.

 

[Trident]

The strange thing is, if there was no sighting why was Vernal so eager to say that the sighting of a filthy bawling kid was of him with DeOrr?

My guess is to play off the "rumor" as proof that DeOrr WAS alive, at least at one point, during this camping trip. I believe when JM mentioned the "rumor", VK ran with it too quickly and got the time wrong. Perhaps it was just another red herring. JM climbed on the man who was staring at DeOrr quickly enough.

IMO there's enough red herrings in this case to fill your grocer's shelves.

 

[Rayemonde]

My guess is to play off the "rumor" as proof that DeOrr WAS alive, at least at one point, during this camping trip. I believe when JM mentioned the "rumor", VK ran with it too quickly and got the time wrong. Perhaps it was just another red herring. JM climbed on the man who was staring at DeOrr quickly enough.

IMO there's enough red herrings in this case to fill your grocer's shelves.

If there really was a rumour, I would have expected them to jump on it as evidence that DeOrr was abducted - This mystery man at 6pm abducted my son! Find him! Not say That was me. Me and my filthy, bawling son.

We haven't heard anything about the staring man for a while, have we... They just dropped it as soon as they realised no one believed them. As someone said earlier in the thread, they dropped the charade ages ago. They're not even bothering to go through the motions of looking for their son.

:moo:

 

[kammiemc]

The strange thing is, if there was no sighting why was Vernal so eager to say that the sighting of a filthy bawling kid was of him with DeOrr?

Also, why would he say "the problem is, I have a black truck" unless he drove his black truck up from IF on Thurs night? How would the clerk know what other vehicle he had parked back at home in IF? So why would that even be relevant?

I say this because I recall that he had his silver truck up at the campsite on Sun, but I don't know in which article pics or news broadcasts I saw that? Does anyone recall? I'll try to find.


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[cobalt sky]

Someone did ask yesterday on KIC's Facebook page what order the calls were made and the answer is negative, goes to timeline...

I find it odd as Klein did reveal GGP's call and listed the times calls were made, so why not which order? It can only be one or the other of 2:22pm or 2:26pm for GGP/VDK and both of those coming before JM's is already a bit odd to me.

I know lots of people have been discussibg the 911 calls and the order they were placed, but I am wondering what signifigance people assign to the subject? How do you think it plays into the events?
Thanks

To be honest probably not a lot except that if GGP's call was first then maybe the second and third were "forced" upon them and done in panic?

Possibly more significant is the fact that KIC now won't comment/elaborate? They say goes to timeline, but seem to forget they gave us the exact times....

Well, I think it is important to the timeline, and I think that the order of who called, and who/what each had to say on the call will be of importance as well. I'm most intrigued that GGP placed a call, and where that call lies in the order of calls could be important as well. But I also agree with TheTruthWillOut that the most significance it has at this point is that Klein disclosed the information, then refused to clarify what is obviously not correct using the excuse that "it goes to timeline". Then why disclose the information in the first place? Personally I don't care much for Klein. I think he is a raging egomaniac that has used this case for publicity and to feed his ego. He is extremely unprofessional imo. It is insulting that he would put out contradictory information to the public, then refuse to clarify what was probably HIS mistake. He constantly makes derogatory remarks about the people following this case, clearly he thinks we are all beneath him and should be grateful that he throws us a morsel every once in while, regardless of whether it is accurate information or not, we should be grateful anyways.

What exactly has he done for this case, besides ride the coattails of LE and FBI? And gain publicity for himself? And feed his ego? I'd like to know what progress he has really made that LE and FBI weren't on to already. Sorry for going a bit OT there...

IMO.

 

[Trident]

If there really was a rumour, I would have expected them to jump on it as evidence that DeOrr was abducted - This mystery man at 6pm abducted my son! Find him! Not say That was me. Me and my filthy, bawling son.

We haven't heard anything about the staring man for a while, have we... They just dropped it as soon as they realised no one believed them. As someone said earlier in the thread, they dropped the charade ages ago. They're not even bothering to go through the motions of looking for their son.

:moo:

Typing about the man who was staring at DeOrr made me wonder WHEN and WHERE that was supposed to have happened. Does anyone remember? I also wonder if those 2 ate the French fries they said were for DeOrr. Don't mind me, but my mind takes some nasty turns.

The more I read and think I learn about this case, the more I am leaning toward drugs. That never crossed my mind before and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it. However, I'm well acquainted with a few druggies, and you can't believe a word they say. Kind of reminds me of this case. Problem is, in this case, I'm not sure I can believe much of what ANYONE says.

:cow:

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

The silver truck is a new one on me, Kammie! I'd heard the possibility he may have had two trucks, but not about them being switched after two days.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

If there really was a rumour, I would have expected them to jump on it as evidence that DeOrr was abducted - This mystery man at 6pm abducted my son! Find him! Not say That was me. Me and my filthy, bawling son.

We haven't heard anything about the staring man for a while, have we... They just dropped it as soon as they realised no one believed them. As someone said earlier in the thread, they dropped the charade ages ago. They're not even bothering to go through the motions of looking for their son.

:moo:

I have never understood the BBM statement!

 

[kammiemc]

On January 29th SB said this about IR to reporter Nate.

"He’s probably been more consistent on his story from the very beginning. We haven’t seen any of the big discrepancies with him. Of course he hasn’t talked to us a whole lot either, so that’s been a challenge. He asked for an attorney before anybody else, but I think that kind of stems from some of his background. He’s had a lot of interaction with law enforcement over the years, so he’s probably just being cautious. But his actual statements have been pretty consistent, and they haven’t varied a whole lot."


SB flat out says "Of course he hasn't talked to us a whole lot either, so that's been a challenge" it couldn't be any more clear imo.

I'm not sure why it'd be a challenge if IR was in there willingly talking with them. Or how he's been so cooperative and helpful considering he hasn't talked with them a whole lot and cause of that it's been a challenge. And SB never said he has been consistent just that he's been more amd pretty consistent.

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For me, it's not a big mystery. SB said that IR's story been consistent, but that he lawyered up early and because of that it became a challenge to get him to talk (presumably because the lawyer told IR to zip it, as lawyers do). Also, IR, himself, said that his lawyer told him (I am paraphrasing) not to talk until LE has an idea of what happened. True to that philosophy, after LE named the parents suspects, IR started talking to LE again and also to the media.

Unless I am missing something.


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[TeaTime]

The strange thing is, if there was no sighting why was Vernal so eager to say that the sighting of a filthy bawling kid was of him with DeOrr?

He didn't say it was him and DeOrr. He said that it was not him and DeOrr, he said that no one left the area once they returned from the store at about 1:10pm, they were not at the store at 6pm Friday as he was with S&R until early Saturday morning. The sole issue was the insinuation that it was them because of the black truck.