ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #24

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Ohhhhh! Nice investigating and a very interesting read!!! Thank you : )

I can't take the credit for the investigation but I agree it's very interesting!!!

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I agree... I can't think of a single case where someone has accidentally run over a child and then gone to these lengths to cover it up. It just doesn't make sense, imo. Even a stupid, drunk or drug-addled person doesn't act like that. And 4 people all going along with it for 7 whole months? No way, imo.

It is believed that Erica Baker was killed in a hit-and-run accident and the driver dumped her body...She has never been found.

 

[bessie]

One of my biggest concerns regarding this case, aside from the fact there is a child who vanished last July, is everything in the last couple of threads is "Klein said". All these "facts" coming to light prefaced with "Klein said".

I know SB named the parents as suspects last month, stated they were less than truthful on certain questions on their polygraphs, and they had a difficult time telling the same story. But it's been stated on some of these posts that the FBI said the parents were lying. Can anyone post a link to a statement from the FBI that doesn't originate from Klein? Can anyone post a link to statements made by witnesses that doesn't originate from Klein? Klein states JM said she knows where DeOrr is but her attorney gave a plausible counter to that statement. Can anyone link JM state that doesn't originate from Klein?

Just putting this out there. I think Klein is more than happy to have all these people going down these rabbit trails, kind of makes him look smart for having all the answers.

Not directly from the FBI, but from SB.

True Crime Radio interview, January 28, 2016

02:13
SB: Well, after a pretty intense investigation and what I consider a lengthy investigation, we asked all the parties involved to take polygraphs. We were expecting a couple of them to come back inconclusive, and that would be the grandfather and the grandfather’s friend. However, the first polygraph indicated that the parents were being less than truthful, and that concerned me, but you know I take polygraphs with a certain grain of salt so… I sent out their interviews to the FBI, their Behavioral Team. They examined them and found multiple inconsistencies, and so we asked them to re-polygraph, and they said they would, and the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th polygraphs, the same conclusion was made by the experts that they are being less than truthful. They know what happened and where Deorr is currently.

13:54
SB: You know they’ve been very cooperative. They’ve been very willing to talk to me and to my office and to my detectives down in Bonneville County so…not until the first polygraph came out and there was some indication that they were being less than truthful. At that time I was somewhat suspicious but I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, so you know…just more recently once the FBI concluded theirs and said beyond any doubt they have knowledge and they are being less than truthful.

Listen here: http://www.truecrimeradio.com/radio-archives/sheriff-lynn-bowerman-radio-archive-jan-2016/

Interview with Nate Eaton, East Idaho News, January 29, 2016

Sheriff Lynn Bowerman, Lemhi County: They were the top persons of interest, but I believe they are suspects. (The decision was reached) after an extensive week of interviewing, re-interviewing and an announcement from the FBI that they were being less than truthful on their polygraphs. Plus there are a lot of irregularities and discrepancies in their interviews (so) I felt it was necessary to come forward and say the parents are being less than truthful.

Sheriff on missing toddler DeOrr Kunz's parents: 'They know where he is absolutely'
By KBOI News Staff Monday, January 25th 2016

The sheriff said the investigation began to turn in the second week of January after the FBI and behavior analysts turned over their findings. Detectives brought them in yet again for follow up interviews and they continued with their story, the sheriff says.

"I thought I'd give them another opportunity to tell us what happened, " he said. "I decided it was time the public knew what my concerns were -- I don't believe we have an abducted child."

 

[eileenhawkeye]

People say things like "You wouldn't coverup an accident!" but there are so many missing children who have never been found. We have no idea how they died. I don't believe that hiding the body automatically equals premediated murder.

 

[ninij9]

This is true, and with Ambien there can be no memory of one's actions.

Whoa boy, this is too true. Apparently I'm a chef when I took ambien. I made some disgusting Oreo burrito thingy in my microwave at 2am. Then I took pix and woke up my daughter to try it!!! Don't remember a thing. BTW, Oreos and cheese smells very bad...

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[Rayemonde]

IMO He might not have died instantly. Some accident or something could have happened and he was badly injured - maybe a brain injury. They thought he was all right or were too drunk or high to realize he was badly injured and put him to bed. They discovered he was dead when they woke up in the morning. Just one of the many scenarios floating around in my brain.

I can't understand why anybody would cover up an accident that killed their child.

Now, that I can imagine happening. But they'd have sobered up by then and could just say Jessica accidentally hit him whilst she was sober (I say Jessica because maybe they were worried about Vernal losing his licence and hence his trucking job).

 

[pepelepolecat]

People say things like "You wouldn't coverup an accident!" but there are so many missing children who have never been found. We have no idea how they died. I don't believe that hiding the body automatically equals premediated murder.

That's a good point. It boggles the mind how any parent could stomach it, though.

 

[Beezneez]

As a CNA she wouldn't have access to anything emergency related. CNAs handle basic self care, assisting with bathing, walking, meals & some may be certified to distribute some meds (like prescription ibuprophen, daily BP meds & such). A CNA doesn't have the skills or the access to possess IVs, needles, narcotics, or suture equipment. JAHCO regulates employers, so even if she worked somewhere careless with the rules, they wouldn't be around long.

 

[courtneyb]

One way that they would feel they had to hide DeOrr vs calling the police? How about before they went to bar they give DeOrr to GGP. Ok? Late that night as they pull into campsite the lights, engine, awakens baby DeOrr. He somehow gets outside. Let's just say mom and dad are backing truck up into spot. DeOrr sleepily walking toward truck..
Parents horrifically run baby over. Off they go to bed Thinking deorr is with GGP.
Wake up 8am, sees what happened. Now, afraid to call 911 because baby under truck all night dead. I can see this scenario. Afterwards all of the lies and cover-up and hiding of body. Blah blah blah.

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That's pretty much exactly what I said on the previous page AND the most likely scenario for the cover up if it was an accident. If they were negligent enough to not even realize that the accident had occurred, then didn't even check on him at any point after the accident, I mean. He possibly could have been saved and perhaps they thought that since they didn't know and thus didn't get help, that LE would believe it was intentional. Because you have 4 adults present and not one checks on this baby all night long?


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[jessie]

I just can't believe in an 'unexpected accident coverup'.

 

[KYPastTracker]

http://www.idahostatejournal.com/me...cle_b4d359f2-0b13-55d2-9aec-178b359a5683.html

“We know that the parents aren’t telling the truth, and they know that we know that they’re lying,” Bowerman said. “I know that they know where the little boy is and what happened to him.”

 

[Rayemonde]

http://www.youblawg.com/blawg/polygraphs-criminal-justice

Browning finds polys to be remarkably accurate.

:laughing:

Good find!

 

[kammiemc]

As I said if you are drunk you will be prosecuted for DUI manslaughter and suffer all the consequences of that. It would take hours to sober up and even this group would realize if you leave a body lying around for 6 hours before you call the cops they will know something is up. It is a horrible decision they made but they don't seem real bright when sober so who knows how ugly it gets if they are messed up.

They also would look really bad in front of friends, family and community and employers (DK would likely have lost his trucking job.) They would have faced judgment and scrutiny. For them, that might have been a worse prospect to face than living with knowing they covered up their son's death.

In fact, a disappearance would (and did) evoke public sympathy, support and donations. Maybe it was an obvious choice.


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[courtneyb]

:laughing:

Good find!

Since he claims that by just really poor luck, none of the polys given to VDK can be considered valid or they don't know the results, perhaps he should set up one to be administered. Maybe polys can't make determinations on Vernalisms... I mean, it's just a bunch of words that may or may not be loosely connected by context that may or may not even be rooted in truthfulness.

Funny that he only addressed VDK's polygraph misadventures and not JM's, even though he is representing them both. Or did he and I'm just forgetting?

 

[Rayemonde]

It is believed that Erica Baker was killed in a hit-and-run accident and the driver dumped her body...She has never been found.

Thank, I haven't heard of this case. Off to look it up. :tyou:

 

[Butler]

Since he claims that by just really poor luck, none of the polys given to VDK can be considered valid or they don't know the results, perhaps he should set up one to be administered. Maybe polys can't make determinations on Vernalisms... I mean, it's just a bunch of words that may or may not be loosely connected by context that may or may not even be rooted in truthfulness.

Funny that he only addressed VDK's polygraph misadventures and not JM's, even though he is representing them both. Or did he and I'm just forgetting?

All polygraph questions are answered with either yes or no. The test subject is told the questions ahead of time and is told to answer just yes or no.

 

[courtneyb]

It appears to me that multiple members of the ex's family is becoming vocal and turning on the Kunz's. It looks to me like he may be preparing to make a move regarding his and JM's children.

If you were in his shoes, and believed what he is being very vocal all of a sudden about, wouldn't you? He knows these people and if he believes they did something making them responsible for DeOrr's disappearance, that carries a fair amount of weight with me. Not a whole lot of 19-20 year old boys (barely adults) would be willing or able to do what he has done as far as being a single parent (his words, not mine) at that age and appear to thrive while doing so.

 

[Midge Montana]

I'll ask again...
Do we have ANY official statement that the evidence in question has anything to do with blood on a truck, other than a FB post by one of the DeOrrs?
I'd love to see a link. It's very possible that they are just brushing it off as an explanation of what may have been found. I don't put stock in anything that family says. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[persimmon]

I see a few things happening that seem troubling. We know that LE and FBI are working very closely on this case. We also know that they have access to many tools, resources, and data that Klein does not have. Moreover, they have funds that Klein does not have. I'll be very surprised if anybody outside of LE finds DeOrr's body. I've seen members of Search and Rescue make comments and I feel LE has a clear idea of where to look and are simply waiting out the winter. If LE only cared about egos and satiating the public's cries, they would have arrested the parents. That would likely have worked against them. I cannot same the same about Klein.

There are a lot of things to consider in regards to Klein. I don't know the details of the contract, but I think he is a little scared because I noticed that he pushed DDK away in a recent statement and commented that the public paid his fees. He seems to be trying to somehow make the public his client? In the end, if there is a conviction any attorney could easily file an appeal on the grounds the parents were denied a fair trial. They might have something too...due to Klein's unprofessional behavior. This makes me uncomfortable. Mostly though, I just keep looking and thinking where is DeOrr? Stop talking and act. Until I see some action I remain unimpressed. That does not excuse the parents one bit. But I expect others to be above reproach and he is not.

 

[Lillahazel]

People say things like "You wouldn't coverup an accident!" but there are so many missing children who have never been found. We have no idea how they died. I don't believe that hiding the body automatically equals premediated murder.

At this point I'm happy they haven't been charged yet. Sometimes I hypothetically pretend this thread is the jury and it's obvious the pieces we do have are not enough. Here's to hoping they really do have many more solid pieces than what we know and that baby Deorr can be found soon. I'm ready for this Truman Show to be over. I can't even wrap my head around someone hiding an "accident" to this extent and length of time. Especially involving a child. It doesn't mean I don't think it's very possible it's just hard for me to treat it any less than a "premeditated murder" I guess that bodes well for a suspect that our system can.


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