ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #3

[Jules71]

Here's what I got:

Reporter: IR, Hi. How are you doing?

IR: I’m doing ok.

Reporter: So he was just with you and the grandfather when he wandered away?

IR: um-hum.

Reporter: I’m [Nate eden?] with East Idaho News.

IR: Yeah, I don’t have any questions. I’m sorry.

Reporter: You don’t have anything you want to say?

IR: No.

Reporter: Ok. Sorry to wake you. We just want to see if you have anything to say about DeOrr missing.

IR: I don’t.

Reporter: You don’t.

IR: [mumbles something I can’t make out]

Reporter: Can you tell us what happened up there?

IR: Umm…I don’t know. He just disappeared is all. So…

Reporter: He just disappeared? Did he wander away? You know?

IR: [again mumbles something that I can’t hear]

Reporter: A lot of people have heard from the family and everything. I know a lot of people want to hear from you and the grandfather.

IR: Have you ever talked to the grandfather, yet?

Reporter: I haven’t. So he was just with you and the grandfather when we wandered away?

IR: Um-hum.

Reporter: And you guys thought he was with the parents.

IR: [pause]…yeah

Reporter: And the parents came back and he was gone?

IR: um-hum.

Someone off-screen[Cameraman?]: Did you get our FaceBook message?

IR: I didn’t. I didn’t get you…youse gu…you guys Facebook message but…Ok so I don’t have…I don’t can’t…I don’t want to answer any more questions or anything.

Thank you!!

 

[SeaEclipse]

Wow, so I just watched the video. The friend is pretty clearly under the influence. There is no way the only explanation is that he just woke up unless he was under the influence of something to sleep (either passed out from drugs/alcohol or having taken a sleeping aid). I would ask those insisting it must be that they woke him up to ask themselves if they would really sound like that by minute 2 of a conversation EVEN IF they had just woken up from the world's deepest natural sleep.

I am even more confused by this guy's "friendship" with the GGP post-this video and what he was doing on the camping trip. The video also states that GGP was in "poor mental health," so I'm sticking with my earlier supposition that he has dementia and this guy was a carer/companion of some type.

It now seems entirely possible to me that DK could have left the care of GGP and friend w/o either of them noticing... but why on earth would parents leave their toddler with GGP or that friend? Can that really be what happened??

 

[gitana1]

Except for LE saying they are POI...

Sorry, IMO, and based on every single missing person's case we've seen on Websleuths, the context does not indicate there is one shred of evidence or the slightest hint that the parents were involved or that there was even foul play.

Anyone who was there is a person of interest. Because they were there. And all have cooperated. In cases where the term takes on significance, the POI is either not fully cooperating, or cooperating at all, and/or is clearly the focus of the investigation.

 

[bluesneakers]

Wow, so I just watched the video. The friend is pretty clearly under the influence. There is no way the only explanation is that he just woke up unless he was under the influence of something to sleep (either passed out from drugs/alcohol or having taken a sleeping aid). I would ask those insisting it must be that they woke him up to ask themselves if they would really sound like that by minute 2 of a conversation EVEN IF they had just woken up from the world's deepest natural sleep.

I am even more confused by this guy's "friendship" with the GGP post-this video and what he was doing on the camping trip. The video also states that GGP was in "poor mental health," so I'm sticking with my earlier supposition that he has dementia and this guy was a carer/companion of some type.

It now seems entirely possible to me that DK could have left the care of GGP and friend w/o either of them noticing... but why on earth would parents leave their toddler with GGP or that friend? Can that really be what happened??

Sometimes I take ambien and I'm a lot like that, except I'm also walking like Frankenstein.

I don't know this guy and maybe he is under the influence, we don't know. But we DO know the reporter said it was Monday morning and we saw him repeatedly banging on the man's door. I have a problem with that.

 

[Hoosier952]

Interview posted by another user.

 

[needtoknow]

I am sooo sick of this sheriff and his mind games. I am beginning to wonder if they are truly mind games or he is just in way over his head. Ridiculous. Saying parents are "good with me" BEFORE they even took a poly? Now, POI's? Now releasing the friend's name because of social media? IMO the reason they didn't release the friends name was because as the sheriff said...he was arrested for RAPE and it got pleaded down and now he doesn't have to register. Right, we left our kid with a mentally unstable old man and a rapist and they were the last people with him. Really? You know what parents do when their kids go missing? LOOK AT MARK KLAAS...that's what they do. That guy RAN to the police station to be poly'd so the police would officially eliminate him. I am so tired of all this politics, and pi***** contests between different LE's when there is a 2 year old missing and one of the last people to see him was senile and the other a rapist. And I don't buy into the...well, he wasn't convicted of rape, he was convicted of this. Just the fact that he was charged and indicted by a grand jury (meaning there was ample evidence that the GJ said take it to trial) means he's a rapist in my book. Good Lord...if the sheriff crumbled because of "social media" maybe everyone should keep up the social media posts..maybe then this boy will be found.

My take on it - They have been working the investigation and not letting the public know the details, for obvious reasons. I'm putting my trust in LE.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Has there been any mention of alcohol or other substances found at the campsite or having been used by the people there? When my friends go camping, the first thing they do is buy alcohol. A drink is usually the first order of business after setting up camp.

 

[teeandcee]

I would ask those insisting it must be that they woke him up to ask themselves if they would really sound like that by minute 2 of a conversation EVEN IF they had just woken up from the world's deepest natural sleep.

The answer to your question is yes, I'd act just like that several minutes into a conversation. Especially if I'd taken a sleeping aid and been awakened out of a deep sleep. It takes me a good half hour to be coherent in the mornings. I mumble, I sometimes can't even mumble and just grunt, I mumble with my eyes closed, I don't make sense. I lean on the counter while waiting for my coffee to make because I can hardly stand up unsupported.

LOL, I too walk like Frankenstein.

In spite of that, I do think I'd have the presence of mind to not be naked if I answered the door.

 

[Lizzzard]

I get the sense that the reporter could have asked him if Deorr was snatched up by purple aliens and flew off towards the moon and he would have said, "umm, yeah."

I agree! His affirmative answers actually seem non-committal to me.

I also think he sounds like someone who may have been instructed to not to talk to the media (maybe that's why he asked if they had talked to GGpa?). Either way, he seems quite uncomfortable with the conversation as a whole. He may have just woken up but he also seems delayed. JMO, of course.

 

[Steve_Stockton]

I get the sense that the reporter could have asked him if Deorr was snatched up by purple aliens and flew off towards the moon and he would have said, "umm, yeah."

"M-O-O-N, that spells moon..."

That's who this IR guy reminds me of, Tom Cullen from The Stand! "Laws, yes!"

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[Jules71]

Wow, so I just watched the video. The friend is pretty clearly under the influence. There is no way the only explanation is that he just woke up unless he was under the influence of something to sleep (either passed out from drugs/alcohol or having taken a sleeping aid). I would ask those insisting it must be that they woke him up to ask themselves if they would really sound like that by minute 2 of a conversation EVEN IF they had just woken up from the world's deepest natural sleep.

I am even more confused by this guy's "friendship" with the GGP post-this video and what he was doing on the camping trip. The video also states that GGP was in "poor mental health," so I'm sticking with my earlier supposition that he has dementia and this guy was a carer/companion of some type.

It now seems entirely possible to me that DK could have left the care of GGP and friend w/o either of them noticing... but why on earth would parents leave their toddler with GGP or that friend? Can that really be what happened??

I agree he must have been under the influence. He was slurring his words. He could not say 'facebook question' to save his life. That imo was not just from them waking him up.

There was a couple long pauses before he answered too - which concern me. And it seemed he did not want to answer when the reporter asked if he wandered away.

R: He just disappeared. Did he wander away? Do you know, or?

IR: ?? I don’t have anything to say about it.

I got the impression that he was told not to talk about that. Who knows. I don't think we will get anywhere picking apart this guys' words.

 

[SleuthMom]

https://youtu.be/01DB2lqpWcs

Video that goes with the East Idaho news story has a few more details.

He certainly made a long pause when the reporter asked "So you guys saw he was with the parents?".

 

[SleuthMom]

I agree! His affirmative answers actually seem non-committal to me.

I also think he sounds like someone who may have been instructed to not to talk to the media (maybe that's why he asked if they had talked to GGpa?). Either way, he seems quite uncomfortable with the conversation as a whole. He may have just woken up but he also seems delayed. JMO, of course.

He was sleeping and that's why he took so long to answer. I do not think he was instructed not to talk to the media. It is interesting that at the end he says: "I do not have....I do not want to answer any more questions".

 

[carbuff]

My friend who got a brain injury in Vietnam used to get like that. As long as everything was real slow and quiet, he was fine, but if you caught him out of context or rushed him, or both, he got totally lost and couldn't even make coherent sentences. If you kept pushing him, he'd melt down completely.

 

[gitana1]

That video is scary. Is that guy on drugs? Seriously, he can hardly string together a sentence and his eyes are closed half the time. This does not bode well for Deorr I'm afraid. MOO, of course.

I certianly wouldn't want to go camping with him or leave my kid in his care. But not all parents are diligent.

But lets be reasonable. In 10 minutes, this guy grabbed the baby, killed him and somehow disposed if his body in a way that made it impossible for anyone to ever find him? Not logical. Not rational.

 

[Marmlet]

I feel that, after seeing the interview with IR, and hearing that GGP was impaired due to health reasons, what we realistically are left with, is the accounts of the parents. Where we once thought that four competent adults were giving (mostly) consistent accounts of events, IMO, we are now down by two. The GGP, who (according to prior posts and quotes) LE isn't considering a reliable source of information due to his health, and IR. There may be some people who still consider IR to be a reliable source, but I do not, after seeing that interview. That is JMO.

So now I'm just looking at what the parents (mainly the father, since he did most of the talking) said in their interview. I will have to go back over it again, but I do remember him mentioning his truck, more than once. The trip to the store was mentioned, and the report of the cashier's possible 6:00-ish sighting was discounted. Assuming that LE has confirmed the trip to the store with the cashier, that trip to the store, and the trip BACK to the campsite, are now at the forefront of my mind. According to their interview, the truck also left the campsite again later, to get better reception for a call to 911. The only thing that struck me as odd at the time, was that I would think that most people would TRY to call 911 first, THEN leave to find better reception if they weren't successful. Please correct me if I'm wrong in remembering that no attempt to call 911 was actually made initially...it was just assumed that a call wouldn't go through?

It has also bothered me that the dogs didn't pick up any scent of Little DeOrr at the campsite, other than in the vehicles, camper, etc. (according to previous posts and links). Although there didn't seem to be suspicion of those present at the time, the sheriff and other rescue workers did seem surprised and confounded by the lack of any evidence of Little DeOrr.

 

[SeaEclipse]

Sometimes I take ambien and I'm a lot like that, except I'm also walking like Frankenstein.

I don't know this guy and maybe he is under the influence, we don't know. But we DO know the reporter said it was Monday morning and we saw him repeatedly banging on the man's door. I have a problem with that.

Sorry, to be clear, I did explicitly say that having taken a sleeping aid was a possible explanation. When I say that he's clearly under the influence... he could definitely be under the influence of a legal drug, which might tell us absolutely nothing about him or what happened to DK. I also don't endorse the media making the friend's life a living hell. BUT I think it's impossible not to watch that video, hear about GGP's "poor mental health" and look at this case the same way that at least I was in the beginning when I heard about a family camping trip that GGP's friend -- who wasn't named as being present when DK vanished -- was also on.

 

[gitana1]

He was sleeping and that's why he took so long to answer. I do not think he was instructed not to talk to the media. It is interesting that at the end he says: "I do not have....I do not want to answer any more questions".

I wouldn't either. He must be aware that people online are focusing on and gossiping about him. (Although I note that not one person who claimed to know him got his name right). He may be suspicious why reporters are talking to him and not GGP.

 

[JLSChook]

I certianly wouldn't want to go camping with him or leave my kid in his care. But not all parents are diligent.

But lets be reasonable. In 10 minutes, this guy grabbed the baby, killed him and somehow disposed if his body in a way that made it impossible for anyone to ever find him? Not logical. Not rational.

Thank you. I'm glad someone else said it first.

I'm just gonna say it. This guy sets my hinky meter off the charts, TBH.
I (along with many others) have known his name, family background, record, etc...for many many days now. I've had a lot of time to think about it.

I can't find any scenario where he did something to DeOrr without someone else knowing. The only way I can reconcile any of the 4 doing anything to this baby is that all four of them have to know/be involved.


That doesn't make sense to me, with what we know so far.

There are other things I could speculate on, but I'm still waiting for mod approval. I saw both tlyca and Tricia in here a while ago, but nobody has responded yet.

 

[gitana1]

I feel that, after seeing the interview with IR, and hearing that GGP was impaired due to health reasons, what we realistically are left with, is the accounts of the parents. Where we once thought that four competent adults were giving (mostly) consistent accounts of events, IMO, we are now down by two. The GGP, who (according to prior posts and quotes) LE isn't considering a reliable source of information due to his health, and IR. There may be some people who still consider IR to be a reliable source, but I do not, after seeing that interview. That is JMO.

So now I'm just looking at what the parents (mainly the father, since he did most of the talking) said in their interview. I will have to go back over it again, but I do remember him mentioning his truck, more than once. The trip to the store was mentioned, and the report of the cashier's possible 6:00-ish sighting was discounted. Assuming that LE has confirmed the trip to the store with the cashier, that trip to the store, and the trip BACK to the campsite, are now at the forefront of my mind. According to their interview, the truck also left the campsite again later, to get better reception for a call to 911. The only thing that struck me as odd at the time, was that I would think that most people would TRY to call 911 first, THEN leave to find better reception if they weren't successful. Please correct me if I'm wrong in remembering that no attempt to call 911 was actually made initially...it was just assumed that a call wouldn't go through?

It has also bothered me that the dogs didn't pick up any scent of Little DeOrr at the campsite, other than in the vehicles, camper, etc. (according to previous posts and links). Although there didn't seem to be suspicion of those present at the time, the sheriff and other rescue workers did seem surprised and confounded by the lack of any evidence of Little DeOrr.

Mom called immediately on her phone while dad immediately drove down the road because he knows he doesn't get reception on his. So when he called the operator told him they were already speaking to Deorr's mom. It's in the interview.