ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[babyback]

Oh man... This looks like it might turn into a cold case.

Let's hope NOT !!

 

[pepelepolecat]

IMO, I think it might be a little unfair to the parents to say that the time they chose to leave to go camping isn't sensible, when so many people do just that. It just seems like they have enough big things to worry about without getting scrutinized for the boots DeOrr had on and their choice of departure time to go camping. So they left Thurs afternoon and got to the campsite right at sunset. It's totally normal.

:clap::clap::clap:

I can only imagine what any parent who has had a child go missing is going through. Yes, maybe criticism is a natural human response that allows us to distance ourselves from the tragedy ("Well, I wouldn't have let my child walk to school, and so I never have to worry about him going missing!" is a common one I hear), but the fact is, horrible things happen to people all the time, including those who seemingly do everything "right."

I personally wouldn't want to arrive at a campsite late at night. I'm a morning person. I want to do big stuff in the morning and then relax from then on out. But who am I to say that's the right way for everyone? That's right: I'm no one. This young family had every right in the world to arrive at that campsite whenever they wanted -- and their arrival time in no way reflects on their sensibility, logic or anything of the sort.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Oh man... This looks like it might turn into a cold case.

I hope not. This little guy is out there somewhere. :notgood:

 

[BeeFriendly]

IMO, I can see a way where both acccounts/sides are right when it comes to the arrival time - i.e. they arrived from their HOME on Thursday, and they arrived from their trip to the store in Leadore on Friday. Possible?

This is a BINGO for me. This whole debate on the timeline of their arrival is based on some really shoddy reporting. Sensationalized journalism. Early on...July 11th, Nate the reporter was at the campsite saying..."parents had gone to the store for supplies, 10 minutes after they got back the child disappeared." That there lies the problem with the details. I just did a quick search, and that portion of the newscast has been snipped/removed from the net. He's the one that messed it up from the beginning. He said...THE STORE. I watched him as he said it. But it's gone now.

Also...if you look on the map, Hiway 28 is the road they would have travelled from Idaho Falls. Why on earth after a 2 1/2 hour drive (excluding pit stops) would they pass up the campground turnoff and continue up to Leadore for supplies?
I use to take the kids camping all the time to the coast. Often, I'd leave right after work...hightail it to the campground arriving after dark with the bare minimum to sustain us till the next day. Sleep in the car, side of the car etc. Wake up at dawn and see what was available. I've been a single mom for 30 years and that's how I did it. Usually on a whim and by the seat of my pants! Very little planning at all. Ahh, to be young again!

 

[Cardinal47]

If the newspaper was going to do an article on missing DeOrr today I believe that ship has sailed.

MOO

 

[ClaireNC]

For those who looking for a response, here it is. If the parents said they arrived on Thursday night (or ANY time on Thursday), than THAT would be the beginning of the timeline, IMO

Since they apparently told Nate, the reporter, that they arrived on Friday, (and in the interview and/or Nate's article) then they drove to town and went to the store, returned to camp, were at the camp about an hour before deciding to explore a little, which had occurred at about 2:00 which was close to Deorr's nap . . . .

And THAT'S why Friday begins the timeline, IMO. Nothing nefarious about arriving on a different day except it would have been a lie, but that's not what posters are asking me, is it? . . . . because THAT would be obvious.

Some think it strange they drove 40 min back to town when in fact that's not strange at all, IMO. Some find it hard to believe Deorr would have been ready for a nap since he would have obviously fallen asleep on the drive (so some say).

I believe, as I have said, the PI mis-spoke, if that's what it's called, and I believe he meant and probably thinks he said that they went to town in the morning after they arrived.

I believe these parents completely and there's absolutely no reason whatsoever NOT to, IMO. My heart breaks for them every single day. I hope little Deorr is found soon, because every parent needs to know where there children are.

Thanks for the explanation, but I still don't get the logic. Why do you take the reporter's word as gospel, but assume that the PI misspoke? Why are you being so very closed minded about it?

The reporter has been informed of his mistake, but is reluctant to print a correction. And NO, I do not have a link for that. It is IMO only. If the PI does another interview that says specifically that they arrived on Thursday will you believe him? What if the parents decide to speak up and clarify some of the facts? Will you believe them?

 

[ILOKAL]

:clap::clap::clap:

I can only imagine what any parent who has had a child go missing is going through. Yes, maybe criticism is a natural human response that allows us to distance ourselves from the tragedy ("Well, I wouldn't have let my child walk to school, and so I never have to worry about him going missing!" is a common one I hear), but the fact is, horrible things happen to people all the time, including those who seemingly do everything "right."

I personally wouldn't want to arrive at a campsite late at night. I'm a morning person. I want to do big stuff in the morning and then relax from then on out. But who am I to say that's the right way for everyone? That's right: I'm no one. This young family had every right in the world to arrive at that campsite whenever they wanted -- and their arrival time in no way reflects on their sensibility, logic or anything of the sort.

<modsnip> Please read MY post which clearly and without a doubt or question states I believe the parents left their home Friday morning and arrived that same day - FRIDAY, NOT Thursday. That clearly seems to be what they told the reporter Nate, in person, and I dn't believe Nate wrote his article incorrectly.

<modsnip>

 

[babyback]

I have a statement for everyone to ponder and discuss. I'm just interested to see how you're take would be on it.

"Is a lack of evidence, evidence in itself?"

To me it IS. JMO

 

[ILOKAL]

Thanks for the explanation, but I still don't get the logic. Why do you take the reporter's word as gospel, but assume that the PI misspoke? Why are you being so very closed minded about it?

The reporter has been informed of his mistake, but is reluctant to print a correction. And NO, I do not have a link for that. It is IMO only. If the PI does another interview that says specifically that they arrived on Thursday will you believe him? What if the parents decide to speak up and clarify some of the facts? Will you believe them?

I've already answered up thread the question in your last paragraph.

Answer to your first paragraph:

Applying logic and common sense, as I always do, it is much more likely that the PI mis-spoke or mis-communicated his thoughts than it is that Nate made a mistake in his article. As for ME being close minded, all I can do is LOL.

 

[ClaireNC]

This is a BINGO for me. This whole debate on the timeline of their arrival is based on some really shoddy reporting. Sensationalized journalism. Early on...July 11th, Nate the reporter was at the campsite saying..."parents had gone to the store for supplies, 10 minutes after they got back the child disappeared." That there lies the problem with the details. I just did a quick search, and that portion of the newscast has been snipped/removed from the net. He's the one that messed it up from the beginning. He said...THE STORE. I watched him as he said it. But it's gone now.

Also...if you look on the map, Hiway 28 is the road they would have travelled from Idaho Falls. Why on earth after a 2 1/2 hour drive (excluding pit stops) would they pass up the campground turnoff and continue up to Leadore for supplies?
I use to take the kids camping all the time to the coast. Often, I'd leave right after work...hightail it to the campground arriving after dark with the bare minimum to sustain us till the next day. Sleep in the car, side of the car etc. Wake up at dawn and see what was available. I've been a single mom for 30 years and that's how I did it. Usually on a whim and by the seat of my pants! Very little planning at all. Ahh, to be young again!

Great post! There really seems to be only one person strongly doubting the Thursday night arrival, but that's neither here nor there. Just an FYI, somebody local posted they would have needed to drive up to Leadore and back down to the campsite. What appears to be the turn off to the campground on Google Maps is not really a reliable road. I believe they would have driven past the store to get to the campground Thursday night. And because of their late arrival, the store was probably closed.

I am also and on the whim, seat of my pants kind of person when it comes to weekend camping trips. Leave after work and head out to the campsite, crash for the night and set things up in the morning. Or use the truck headlights to put up the tent and get everything else organized in the morning.

 

[starfire]

FWIW, Nate Eaton was not the first to report on the Deorr case from East Idaho News. It was a different Nate who wrote the first article -- Nate Sunderland.

 

[BeeFriendly]

If the newspaper was going to do an article on missing DeOrr today I believe that ship has sailed.

MOO

They put out an evening one usually around 8:30.

 

[Cardinal47]

Hummm

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[wondering25]

Dad Deorr says in the unedited interview that he didnt leave the campground after 1pm Friday. He said they went to the store "as a family". Did they return as a family? Was baby Deorr with them? Ok.. he says he thought the baby would be good with grandpa by the campfire. he and Jessica went exploring .. did they separate when they explored? dad says he went to show Deorr some minnows and deorr wasnt there.. Where was mom? Other than dad, has any of the other 3 confirmed they saw baby Deorr after 1pm?
Questions to think about.. JMO..

 

[ClaireNC]

All I can say is...:banghead:

 

[mommylicious]

Where would you have slept if you arrived at 930? I need light to set up my tents..heck even then sometimes its hard. So did they set up that night or the next day? Where would they have slept? You wouldnt want your 2 yr old son wandering around the campsite at night while you pitch a tent right? Just asking..I mean this was a primitive site, no street lights etc.

Sleeping arrangements were addressed on FB so I can't really comment within TOS but I'm not worried about that part. That said, even if they were setting up tents, there were 4 adults to help with either set up or childcare and tents can go up pretty easily, quickly. Our neighbors at the campground a few weeks ago rolled in around midnight and set up their tent using headlamps. If they arrived around 9:30, still enough light to set up. Or they could sleep in grandpa's camper.

 

[ZooSleuth]

I've already answered up thread the question in your last paragraph.

Answer to your first paragraph:

Applying logic and common sense, as I always do, it is much more likely that the PI mis-spoke or mis-communicated his thoughts than it is that Nate made a mistake in his article. As for ME being close minded, all I can do is LOL.

BBM you're ignoring that the PI is not the only the person connected to the family that has said they arrived Thursday night. Yes it's technically only rumor at this point that the other person said they arrived Thursday night, but 2 parties that close to the family making the same claim is enough for me to come to the conclusion that Nate got it wrong.

 

[Cardinal47]

All I can say is...:banghead:

Amen to that statement!

 

[ClaireNC]

Dad Deorr says in the unedited interview that he didnt leave the campground after 1pm Friday. He said they went to the store "as a family". Did they return as a family? Was baby Deorr with them? Ok.. he says he thought the baby would be good with grandpa by the campfire. he and Jessica went exploring .. did they separate when they explored? dad says he went to show Deorr some minnows and deorr wasnt there.. Where was mom? Other than dad, has any of the other 3 confirmed they saw baby Deorr after 1pm?
Questions to think about.. JMO..

Yes, I think he said that they were back at the camp at 1:00 or at least that is how I interpreted it.

DeOrr Sr.: we didn't, we never, haven't left the camp since one o clock that afternoon, so it's just a lot of hearsay, and..

 

[Cardinal47]

BBM you're ignoring that the PI is not the only the person connected to the family that has said they arrived Thursday night. Yes it's technically only rumor at this point that the other person said they arrived Thursday night, but 2 parties that close to the family making the same claim is enough for me to come to the conclusion that Nate got it wrong.

I too believe he 'got it wrong'. Just like the reporter that said DeOrr was found and Nate called DeOrr SR to ask him about it only to find it too was wrong.

It happens.