ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[relay]

Thanks for posting. I am going to jump off your post here about the cremains.

I don't know why people are so freaked out about hearing someone spread some ashes of a loved one over a beautiful place. It happens all the time and will become even more frequent as more people choose cremation over burial in the future due to cost and other factors. People have been spreading ashes over water and over pastoral scenes for eons, but in this case it happened to affect a search. Nothing sinister. Nothing out of the normal. Someone simply chose a day to honor their loved one in probably their favorite fishing place on earth and it was all done quite innocently. Yes, it affected the search and confused the cad dogs. Yes, it would have been better if it had not happened. But it really was just a chance thing not a planned thing, imo.

I agree SS. And, though many of us realize spreading ashes there may result in a false hit by a human remains detection dog because we follow so many missing persons and crime cases, chances are it never occurred to the person who did it.

 

[babyback]

I'm going to say this, then drop it. I sooo don't believe in coincidences and especially one that is so germane to this particular case. The dumping of cremains on that day, at that time. What are the odds? I could so run with this, but since this woman has apparently been spoken to, and cleared of any wrong doing where it pertains to DeOrr's case, I'm not going to go there. But omg, really?

 

[bluesneakers]

Thanks for posting. I am going to jump off your post here about the cremains.

I don't know why people are so freaked out about hearing someone spread some ashes of a loved one over a beautiful place. It happens all the time and will become even more frequent as more people choose cremation over burial in the future due to cost and other factors. People have been spreading ashes over water and over pastoral scenes for eons, but in this case it happened to affect a search. Nothing sinister. Nothing out of the normal. Someone simply chose a day to honor their loved one in probably their favorite fishing place on earth and it was all done quite innocently. Yes, it affected the search and confused the cad dogs. Yes, it would have been better if it had not happened. But it really was just a chance thing not a planned thing, imo.

For the record I don't think it was planned or meant to hinder the investigation. I think it was an amazing, freaky coincidence.

 

[wondering25]

No. They would not tell anyone it wasn't him. It would be up to LE to figure it out not NCMEC.

Again, the eye color is really the least of the worries of LE or the parents. I don't know why this is such a hot topic all of the sudden, but it is far too late to get upset about now. This case has long gone past a rescue situation into recovery.

SS... it is a hot topic because the parents and the PI feel he was ABDUCTED. Remember the kids on milk cartons? they gave DESCRIPTIONS. This poster has a description saying blue eyes.. If i was in the store and saw a kid that looked like Deorr I would rule it out based on the eye color..blue/vs brown. Hair can be dyed.. the eyes will remain brown.. You think this is a recovery effort at this point.. that the body is somewhere.. the parents do not.. so get the right info out there.. jmo

 

[desert-blue]

Thanks for posting. I am going to jump off your post here about the cremains.

I don't know why people are so freaked out about hearing someone spread some ashes of a loved one over a beautiful place. It happens all the time and will become even more frequent as more people choose cremation over burial in the future due to cost and other factors. People have been spreading ashes over water and over pastoral scenes for eons, but in this case it happened to affect a search. Nothing sinister. Nothing out of the normal. Someone simply chose a day to honor their loved one in probably their favorite fishing place on earth and it was all done quite innocently. Yes, it affected the search and confused the cad dogs. Yes, it would have been better if it had not happened. But it really was just a chance thing not a planned thing, imo.

I agree that it's perfectly normal. But, the coincidence of it happening in a place that remote at the exact same time as the search for a missing boy, is mind-boggling. That campsite is difficult to get to, has very light usage, and is not an overly popular place to camp (obviously they were the only ones there apparently). Stone Reservoir is tiny compared to most reservoirs around Idaho. It just can't be the absolute favorite camping/fishing spot for that many people, enough so that they'd want their ashes dumped there. The number of people who fit that category is extremely small, and for them to come at the exact same time and not notice, or even be aware of, the search for missing child - it's astronomically inconceivable. If it was a popular body of water, like Lake Cascade or Redfish Lake or Deadwood Reservoir, I wouldn't think so much of it. But, Stone Reservoir? Most people in Idaho haven't even heard of it. It's beyond strange. MOO.

ETA: I also cannot fathom that it was done to hinder the investigation. That would require so many things to happen - a supply of ashes, a person to spread them out, and some sort of pre-planning, etc. I cannot think that all that could be arranged in such a short amount of time. Nor do I think that whatever happened to Deorr was premeditated. But it has to be one of the strangest coincidences I have ever heard of!

ETA, part 2: Lynn Boweman and his wife own the mortuary in Salmon (which would serve Leadore since it's so small). Not sure that means anything, but it is kind of interesting. http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/C145111.html

 

[ninij9]

That's what I thought I'd read somewhere, which is why I searched for the oxygen information. There are batteries in those campers to power just about whatever you want.

Walking Dead taught me there's also a secret, second battery. Thank you Dale!

Yup, those campers are loaded with lots of "thangs" and "stuff".

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

 

[starfire]

This is the problem with SM and comments on news sites. There is no way to be certain and yet people will try to use it as factual information. While it makes sense, we still have nothing to back it up.

I agree, however, I think the info is somewhat more reliable if it comes from a SM account of a close relative (and it's pretty clear it's not a fake profile). Some info would be just what they had been told (arrival time at the campsite, for example), but some info the relative would know firsthand, especially if they live with the person/people (if the relative is on oxygen, if the person left for the camping trip with a camper, and so on). Of course all that is considered "rumor" here, and I guess it's always possible someone hijacked the FB account. I guess all sleuthers look at the info at hand, whether on MSM or SM, or both, and decide for themselves what info to give credence to.

 

[Jackeee]

I know this has been brought up a hundred times in different ways but I just have to bring it up again.

If the parents thought that DeOrr was with GGF and friend, and GGF and friend thought he was with his parents, to me it seems that nobody saw DeOrr before his parents left to explore.
If the parents didn't see DeOrr with GGF, and GGF didn't see the boy with the parents, that tells me that none of them could have seen each other, otherwise at least one of the adults would have remembered who DeOrr was with.

Do GGF and the friend recall seeing baby DeOrr at all? Sorry, but my mind keeps going back to day one.

 

[babyback]

I know this has been brought up a hundred times in different ways but I just have to bring it up again.

If the parents thought that DeOrr was with GGF and friend, and GGF and friend thought he was with his parents, to me it seems that nobody saw DeOrr before his parents left to explore.
If the parents didn't see DeOrr with GGF, and GGF didn't see the boy with the parents, that tells me that none of them could have seen each other, otherwise at least one of the adults would have remembered who DeOrr was with.

Do GGF and the friend recall seeing baby DeOrr at all? Sorry, but my mind keeps going back to day one.

I don't think it's so much that no one noticed or saw DeOrr, I think it's more of assuming that he would be fine with GGF, and GGF was assuming that he went with dad and mom. JMO

 

[sunflowerchick]

SS... it is a hot topic because the parents and the PI feel he was ABDUCTED. Remember the kids on milk cartons? they gave DESCRIPTIONS. This poster has a description saying blue eyes.. If i was in the store and saw a kid that looked like Deorr I would rule it out based on the eye color..blue/vs brown. Hair can be dyed.. the eyes will remain brown.. You think this is a recovery effort at this point.. that the body is somewhere.. the parents do not.. so get the right info out there.. jmo

With all due respect, I think the parents want to believe he was abducted because that would mean he is still alive. I think in their hearts, they probably know the truth. As for the PI, well he is working for the parents to essentially "prove" what they believe happened. In my opinion, they are grasping at straws and they know it.

 

[bluesneakers]

I know this has been brought up a hundred times in different ways but I just have to bring it up again.

If the parents thought that DeOrr was with GGF and friend, and GGF and friend thought he was with his parents, to me it seems that nobody saw DeOrr before his parents left to explore.
If the parents didn't see DeOrr with GGF, and GGF didn't see the boy with the parents, that tells me that none of them could have seen each other, otherwise at least one of the adults would have remembered who DeOrr was with.

Do GGF and the friend recall seeing baby DeOrr at all? Sorry, but my mind keeps going back to day one.

Before they left DK talked to little DeOrr about staying back and being good with GGP. That left me with the impression his parents had eyes on him before they headed out for their walk.

 

[Cardinal47]

I'm going to say this, then drop it. I sooo don't believe in coincidences and especially one that is so germane to this particular case. The dumping of cremains on that day, at that time. What are the odds? I could so run with this, but since this woman has apparently been spoken to, and cleared of any wrong doing where it pertains to DeOrr's case, I'm not going to go there. But omg, really?

My husband knew nothing at all about DeOrr. So I started to explain it to him. I agree with you. There are a lot of really strange things about little missing DeOrr.

Hubby's eyes started to glaze over so I stopped explaining things that made no sense.

The Cremains
The RSO giving an interview
Leaving a child with a man on oxygen and another they didn't know.
Not knowing if they arrived Thur or Fri...five weeks after.
The trip to town on the bumpy road
No sign of DeOrr

Two things we really pondered again.

Would they drive into a campsite late at night Thursday? Someplace the husband had never been before with a little child with needs? There are no streetlights or traffic. I would be scared to death.

If they arrived on Friday would they then drive two hours down a bumpy road for anything?

Something is just very off with everything about missing DeOrr.

 

[Morag]

I know this has been brought up a hundred times in different ways but I just have to bring it up again.

If the parents thought that DeOrr was with GGF and friend, and GGF and friend thought he was with his parents, to me it seems that nobody saw DeOrr before his parents left to explore.
If the parents didn't see DeOrr with GGF, and GGF didn't see the boy with the parents, that tells me that none of them could have seen each other, otherwise at least one of the adults would have remembered who DeOrr was with.

Do GGF and the friend recall seeing baby DeOrr at all? Sorry, but my mind keeps going back to day one.

Or evening one...I think I have a germ of an idea...

 

[Cardinal47]

SS... it is a hot topic because the parents and the PI feel he was ABDUCTED. Remember the kids on milk cartons? they gave DESCRIPTIONS. This poster has a description saying blue eyes.. If i was in the store and saw a kid that looked like Deorr I would rule it out based on the eye color..blue/vs brown. Hair can be dyed.. the eyes will remain brown.. You think this is a recovery effort at this point.. that the body is somewhere.. the parents do not.. so get the right info out there.. jmo

Oh I so agree and little DeOrr has beautiful, big brown eyes. I would sigh and walk away. Sorry I would because I know how many times sightings are wrong.

 

[starfire]

SS... it is a hot topic because the parents and the PI feel he was ABDUCTED. Remember the kids on milk cartons? they gave DESCRIPTIONS. This poster has a description saying blue eyes.. If i was in the store and saw a kid that looked like Deorr I would rule it out based on the eye color..blue/vs brown. Hair can be dyed.. the eyes will remain brown.. You think this is a recovery effort at this point.. that the body is somewhere.. the parents do not.. so get the right info out there.. jmo

It also makes me wonder if the NCEMC follows up on leads, if other kid's posters have errors on them, and so on. It seems after numerous reports of an error, even if it's not from the parents or LE, the NCMEC would have reached out to their contact (parents, Lemhi LE, etc.) to ask about the reports and make the correction if needed.

 

[babyback]

It also makes me wonder if the NCEMC follows up on leads, if other kid's posters have errors on them, and so on. It seems after numerous reports of an error, even if it's not from the parents or LE, the NCMEC would have reached out to their contact (parents, Lemhi LE, etc.) to ask about the reports and make the correction if needed.

Just to add. Many times even coroner reports are wrong on unidentified persons. Just sayin.....

 

[travelbug]

I agree that it's perfectly normal. But, the coincidence of it happening in a place that remote at the exact same time as the search for a missing boy, is mind-boggling. That campsite is difficult to get to, has very light usage, and is not an overly popular place to camp (obviously they were the only ones there apparently). Stone Reservoir is tiny compared to most reservoirs around Idaho. It just can't be the absolute favorite camping/fishing spot for that many people, enough so that they'd want their ashes dumped there. The number of people who fit that category is extremely small, and for them to come at the exact same time and not notice, or even be aware of, the search for missing child - it's astronomically inconceivable. If it was a popular body of water, like Lake Cascade or Redfish Lake or Deadwood Reservoir, I wouldn't think so much of it. But, Stone Reservoir? Most people in Idaho haven't even heard of it. It's beyond strange. MOO.

ETA: I also cannot fathom that it was done to hinder the investigation. That would require so many things to happen - a supply of ashes, a person to spread them out, and some sort of pre-planning, etc. I cannot think that all that could be arranged in such a short amount of time. Nor do I think that whatever happened to Deorr was premeditated. But it has to be one of the strangest coincidences I have ever heard of!

ETA, part 2: Lynn Boweman and his wife own the mortuary in Salmon (which would serve Leadore since it's so small). Not sure that means anything, but it is kind of interesting. http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/C145111.html

BBM - Just when I thought there couldn't possibly be more freaky coincidences... jmho

 

[Trident]

With all due respect, I think the parents want to believe he was abducted because that would mean he is still alive. I think in their hearts, they probably know the truth. As for the PI, well he is working for the parents to essentially "prove" what they believe happened. In my opinion, they are grasping at straws and they know it.

I wonder if DK took off in his truck while JM called 911 from the camp ground, not only to get better phone reception, but because he suspected the child had been abducted and hoped he could catch them. I further wonder if he may suspect who took him.

Sheer speculation, no facts

 

[rkf]

Now your post sounds quite reasonable. However, is it possible that being closed-mouthed is part and parcel of certain religions, fundamental or not? For me that would make some things fall into place a great deal better than they have been. Just speculating, and only my opinion.

I understand, but I think of "close-mouthed" as including SM behavior as well as actually speaking on camera. If they weren't open on SM, I'd think that "keeping to themselves" was in character for them. But the disappearance of their child seems to be the rare situation in which they've chosen not to speak/interact with people. I think about how hard it must have been for Jerold's family to call 911. When they couldn't find him, they went way outside their comfort zone for help. I would expect JM and DK to reach outside their comfort zone as well, if it would help find their child. They haven't done that and the only reason given for that is that people are spreading rumors about them on SM. They want us to believe their child was abducted by a stranger, but they aren't taking the most basic steps to get his face, name and details of his disappearance before the larger public. One interview with an online news outlet and asking people to share his picture on FB can't reach the volume and range of people that one network broadcast would. JMO

 

[babyback]

There is yet another one. That funeral home was the one in charge of the arrangements for the RSO's mother who died at the RSO's home in Leadore at the end of June.

Mercy.....