ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[kammiemc]

Friday, just like the parents said.

So, you're thinking the PI is inaccurate by saying they went for groceries the morning after they arrived? I think he was being accurate. So, the fact that the timeline is THAT ambiguous and open for interpretation tells me that the parents have not brought forward a timeline. IMO.

 

[blefuscu]

It's a shame that a journalist in Idaho won't lean on the Sherriff and ask him to clarify what they do know. There is a baby missing, there is nothing to go on as far as we know. Police chiefs like Chief Longo know how to work the public, when he was looking for Hannah Graham some said he shared too much but it got results. The local press need to start asking why there is so little information on this case.

 

[katydid23]

How can the Grandma provide a timeline? She wasn't there and they don't live with her. She has no first hand information.

My son and his wife and baby are camping right now. I am not there with them, but I can tell you a lot of facts about their trip. I know exactly when they left their home, since I am dog sitting. I know when they arrived because they texted me to say they arrived safely. They met their friends up there so I know exactly who else is camping alongside them.
I now which vehicles are there and when they plan to return. I know when they planned this trip because they called to make sure I could help watch their house. I don't think you have to be on the trip to have a set of valid facts. JMO I have 'firsthand' information becuase I have timed texts from them telling me what is going on.

 

[Niner]

That's what I thought too, because they were "starting to set up tents" @1PM, after they're back from the shop. Are there any advantages to leave this unconfirmed (Thursday / Friday) to back up their timeline / story?

I linked this transcript to the timeline. :tyou: for pointing it out!

 

[relay]

I understand why LE would state that although they do not think Deorr was abducted they also cannot yet rule it out. They have been unable to rule out an abduction, but based on the facts at hand they don't believe abduction is very high on the list. I am glad that just because they don't think abduction was likely they are open-minded to that possibility. Cases can remain unsolved if detectives do not remain open-minded and combine facts with their experience and experiences regarding similar cases. I am glad they requested the FBI's help instead of being to proud to ask for it. The more experienced and skilled LE that works to find Deorr the better.

 

[ClaireNC]

Friday, just like the parents said.

When did the family say they arrived on Friday? I don't remember seeing or hearing them say that.

 

[desert-blue]

IMO the PARENTS HAVE provided a timeline.

The parents haven't addressed the public with anything to indicate when they arrived have they? That information was not part of their interview. The press has reported that they arrived Friday morning but as we have seen, the press makes mistakes. Has there been a direct statement from LE that specifically states that they drove up from Idaho Falls on Friday morning? I don't remember seeing or hearing anything like that, but it's entirely possible that I missed it or I didn't catch it.

In this case, I tend to believe the two sources (TBC and the PI) that both indicate they arrived Thursday evening. I think the reporters got it wrong at the beginning and no one has made an effort to correct it. Or, it could be that they arrived at Timber Creek CG on Friday, but slept elsewhere Thursday night because of their late arrival. So, it would still be accurate to say that they arrived at Timber Creek CG and set up camp on Friday, even though they drove up Thursday. MOO

 

[ILOKAL]

So, you're thinking the PI is inaccurate by saying they went for groceries the morning after they arrived? I think he was being accurate. So, the fact that the timeline is THAT ambiguous and open for interpretation tells me that the parents have not brought forward a timeline. IMO.

Yes, I think the PI inadvertently mis-spoke. "The morning after they arrived" was mis-spoken, although "close" to -in the morning after they arrived-. That's clearly my opinion and is the only thing that makes sense, to me. It doesn't even make sense to ARRIVE so late at night and then wait until 1:00 in the afternoon the NEXT day before setting up camp. Things always have to make sense, to me.

 

[ILOKAL]

When did the family say they arrived on Friday? I don't remember seeing or hearing them say that.

The reporter (Nate?), in his article right after little Deorr disappeared, stated that. It's been posted many times.

 

[babyback]

I just took another listen to what the PI said in his interview, and he indeed says "The morning AFTER they arrived", which indicates to me they didn't arrive that same day they went into town. JMHO

 

[kammiemc]

Maybe not a stranger abduction.. there are still the other 2 POI in the mix. At the end of the day, I feel those parents loved their baby. But pressures of various types can do people in. We have all seen situations where one lies and the other swears to it...and sometimes they "swear to it" because they believe the liar and they have been duped. I think it may be something along those lines.. JMO

And, also, don't forget they had company.

 

[mommylicious]

Re: the darn timeline. If we go with what the PI said and assume they arrived Thursday evening, it's not out off the realm of possibility that DeOrr got "filthy" playing at the campground before the trip to the store. I don't put much stock in the filthy vs dirty debate since we don't even know whose words they are. Went camping with my kids (2 & 5) a couple weeks ago and they could definitely have been described as filthy at times. They loved to play and explore outside. And DeOrr was close to naptime so "bawling" could be easily explained, too.

As for the interviewer saying they arrived at the campground Friday, I'll have to go back and find the transcript for actual wording but is it possible that them arriving at the campground was meant as "back" at the campground from the store trip as this would be when the stage would be set for the disappearance?

 

[ClaireNC]

The reporter (Nate?), in his article right after little Deorr disappeared, stated that. It's been posted many times.

Why does it have to be right because Nate said it? You specifically said that the family stated that they arrived on Friday. Where did the parents say that? Please provide a link.

BTW, The grandmother is part of the family and the PI is working for the family and they have both said that they arrived on Thursday. Also I have confirmation directly from a journalist that they arrived Thursday evening. However, because of WS rules I am not allowed to post any more information on that conversation.

 

[babyback]

Re: the darn timeline. If we go with what the PI said and assume they arrived Thursday evening, it's not out off the realm of possibility that DeOrr got "filthy" playing at the campground before the trip to the store. I don't put much stock in the filthy vs dirty debate since we don't even know whose words they are. Went camping with my kids (2 & 5) a couple weeks ago and they could definitely have been described as filthy at times. They loved to play and explore outside. And DeOrr was close to naptime so "bawling" could be easily explained, too.

As for the interviewer saying they arrived at the campground Friday, I'll have to go back and find the transcript for actual wording but is it possible that them arriving at the campground was meant as "back" at the campground from the store trip as this would be when the stage would be set for the disappearance?

OR, it could mean that they had gotten to the campsite on Friday, after stopping somewhere on Thursday before continuing the drive TO the campsite on Friday. I'm thinking that they just stated Friday because that's the day DeOrr went missing.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, I think the PI inadvertently mis-spoke. "The morning after they arrived" was mis-spoken, although "close" to -in the morning after they arrived-. That's clearly my opinion and is the only thing that makes sense, to me. It doesn't even make sense to ARRIVE so late at night and then wait until 1:00 in the afternoon the NEXT day before setting up camp. Things always have to make sense, to me.

Where did it say they waited until 1 pm to set up camp? And how is 9:30 pm considered 'so late ' at night? It seems a pretty respectable time to arrive for a family vacation. And the perfect time to go to sleep, imo.

 

[starfire]

How can the Grandma provide a timeline? She wasn't there and they don't live with her. She has no first hand information.

Her father (the GGF of little Deorr) apparently lives with her, so she would have firsthand info on some things (what day the GGF left for the trip, if he took a vehicle/camper, and so on)

 

[katydid23]

Re: the darn timeline. If we go with what the PI said and assume they arrived Thursday evening, it's not out off the realm of possibility that DeOrr got "filthy" playing at the campground before the trip to the store. I don't put much stock in the filthy vs dirty debate since we don't even know whose words they are. Went camping with my kids (2 & 5) a couple weeks ago and they could definitely have been described as filthy at times. They loved to play and explore outside. And DeOrr was close to naptime so "bawling" could be easily explained, too.

As for the interviewer saying they arrived at the campground Friday, I'll have to go back and find the transcript for actual wording but is it possible that them arriving at the campground was meant as "back" at the campground from the store trip as this would be when the stage would be set for the disappearance?

If you are camping with a 2 and a 5 yr old---they better be 'filthy' at times, or you are not letting them have any fun. :wink:

 

[starfire]

Friday, just like the parents said.

You mean just like the reporter said. The parents never said in their interview, did they?

 

[mommylicious]

Where did it say they waited until 1 pm to set up camp? And how is 9:30 pm considered 'so late ' at night? It seems a pretty respectable time to arrive for a family vacation. And the perfect time to go to sleep, imo.

I don't find the arrival time that off, either, especially if someone had to work that day. Despite our best efforts I don't think we've ever left right on time for trips. So IF ( totally MOO) they waited until someone was home from work, grabbed last minute stuff, stopped for dinner, maybe bathroom breaks, 9:30 isn't so late. Get to bed, take it easy in the morning, head to the store for forgotten or last-minute items then head back to camp to officially "set up" for the weekend.

 

[desert-blue]

And how is 9:30 pm considered 'so late ' at night? It seems a pretty respectable time to arrive for a family vacation. And the perfect time to go to sleep, imo.

I'm a night owl so that doesn't seem super late to me either. I just checked and the sunset in Leadore was at 9:20 PM on July 10th. On the 4th of July, we usually have to wait to do fireworks until 10:00 PM because it isn't dark out yet. It stays light pretty late around here during the summer. They may not have had a lot of daylight to set up camp, though, so maybe that is why they waited until the next day.