ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[ILOKAL]

Why does it have to be right because Nate said it? You specifically said that the family stated that they arrived on Friday. Where did the parents say that? Please provide a link.

BTW, The grandmother is part of the family and the PI is working for the family and they have both said that they arrived on Thursday. Also I have confirmation directly from a journalist that they arrived Thursday evening. However, because of WS rules I am not allowed to post any more information on that conversation.

Why should I doubt a journalist who was at the scene shortly after the disappearance and no doubt spoke directly TO the parents? Why?

Sure, I TOO could go round and round and find all KINDS of reasons to believe otherwise, but that seems silly, IMO. I'm a sensible person and things need to make sense, IMO

 

[babyback]

You know, in the interview with the parents, and the reporter asks DK to take us back and he asks, "Was it Friday"? And DK says, "I'm not sure what day it is today", I can understand he's tired as heck from all the attention and searching and so on, but he KNOWS or should know what day that his son went missing, when asked a direct question. It just bothered me from the beginning. Not saying he knows what happened, it just bugged me.

 

[mommylicious]

If you are camping with a 2 and a 5 yr old---they better be 'filthy' at times, or you are not letting them have any fun. :wink:

100% agree. We're "city folk" so watching them get down in the dirt to chase a frog or draw with sticks and collect rocks was great!

Eta: oh, and we didn't arrive at our camp site until 10:30pm because we stopped to watch the mud bog at the local county fair.

 

[ILOKAL]

I'm a night owl so that doesn't seem super late to me either. I just checked and the sunset in Leadore was at 9:20 PM on July 10th, so it would not have been dark at 9:30. On the 4th of July, we usually have to wait to do fireworks until 10:00 PM because it isn't dark out yet. It stays light pretty late around here during the summer. They definitely would have had a lot of daylight to set up camp, though, so maybe that is why they waited until the next day.

9:30?? Where did THAT time come from? Sure, it makes sense to stay up after dark to watch the beautiful fireworks on the 4th of July! But it makes NO sense to arrive at a campground at night and wait until 1:00 PM the NEXT day to set up camp. That just doesn't make sense.

 

[neesaki]

I still think it's the baby - people refer to their children as being filthy/dirty when they've been playing outside or in something messy. I don't know that I frequently hear people refer to their husbands or other men as filthy/dirty - it's much more derogatory to call an adult filthy than a a child. Children are expected to be dirty at times...

In addition, she uses the word gentleman to describe the man. I would not think a gentleman would also be filthy. The whole context of the story is that they claim it's DK and baby Deorr. Was DK filthy for some reason? Why would DK be described as filthy?

I agree that who was "filthy" is somewhat ambiguous, and also that it sounds contradictory to use it with the term "gentleman".

 

[ClaireNC]

Why should I doubt a journalist who was at the scene shortly after the disappearance and no doubt spoke directly TO the parents? Why?

Sure, I TOO could go round and round and find all KINDS of reasons to believe otherwise, but that seems silly, IMO. I'm a sensible person and things need to make sense, IMO

Some people are just more sensible than others. IMO your argument for believing the reporter does not make sense. We can agree to disagree on that. I just don't understand your logic at all.

 

[starfire]

9:30?? Where did THAT time come from? Sure, it makes sense to stay up after dark to watch the beautiful fireworks on the 4th of July! But it makes NO sense to arrive at a campground at night and wait until 1:00 PM the NEXT day to set up camp. That just doesn't make sense.

It came from the FB account of Jessica's mom (considered a "rumor" here}.

 

[katydid23]

9:30?? Where did THAT time come from? Sure, it makes sense to stay up after dark to watch the beautiful fireworks on the 4th of July! But it makes NO sense to arrive at a campground at night and wait until 1:00 PM the NEXT day to set up camp. That just doesn't make sense.

No one said they 'waited' until 1 pm to set up the camp though. They were busy all of that time. If they went to sleep when they arrived, and then got up , used the restroom, washed up and ate some breakfast, it would have been close to 10 or 11. So then if they needed to go into town it would have been around 1 pm when they returned. So it makes perfect sense to me that they began the set up at that time. But GGP and friend had already been there and were already setting up.

What makes NO SENSE to me is them arriving on Friday morning. If they had driven 2 and a half hours from home, and then driven an hour or more to the store and back, then NO WAY that the 2 yr old would be ready for his nap. he would have slept already. You cannot keep a 2 yr old in a moving car for 4 or 5 hours without him falling asleep, imo.

 

[desert-blue]

9:30?? Where did THAT time come from? Sure, it makes sense to stay up after dark to watch the beautiful fireworks on the 4th of July! But it makes NO sense to arrive at a campground at night and wait until 1:00 PM the NEXT day to set up camp. That just doesn't make sense.

If they got up on Friday (and hadn't set up camp so all their gear would still be in the truck) and drove into town for groceries and french fries and then drove back to the campground, I suppose it's possible they didn't set up camp until 1:00 PM, although I don't know where that time came from either.

As for 9:30, that's just an estimate and is based on rumor so you can disregard it. I should not have mentioned a specific time.

 

[kammiemc]

9:30?? Where did THAT time come from? Sure, it makes sense to stay up after dark to watch the beautiful fireworks on the 4th of July! But it makes NO sense to arrive at a campground at night and wait until 1:00 PM the NEXT day to set up camp. That just doesn't make sense.

The problem here is that, if the parents presumably spoke directly to the reporter and directly to the PI, someone is mixed up. Because the reporter and PI are saying different things. Or, for some reason they were given different information. It would be especially troubling if the PI working on their behalf has their arrival date off by a day.

ETA: it stays light pretty late up here (north) June 21 is the longest day of the year!


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[ClaireNC]

Rumor has it that East Idaho News is going to be publishing a "substantial" story about this case tomorrow.

I heard there might be something today. Thank you Starfire.

 

[desert-blue]

Rumor has it that East Idaho News is going to be publishing a "substantial" story about this case tomorrow.

I hope so!

 

[ILOKAL]

Some people are just more sensible than others. IMO your argument for believing the reporter does not make sense. We can agree to disagree on that. I just don't understand your logic at all.

MY logic, LOL!! In THAT case we WILL just have to agree to disagree. SOME people are hell bent to find fault with these (and most other) parents and end up going round in circles trying to make something, ANYTHING fit. That just doesn't make ANY sense to me, but that's JMO.

 

[desert-blue]

Uh oh, remember no FB rumors allowed. At least that's what I understand. TIA

I just edited my post to omit the rumored time. I apologize for the confusion - it was not intentional....

 

[babyback]

MY logic, LOL!! In THAT case we WILL just have to agree to disagree. SOME people are hell bent to find fault with these (and most other) parents and end up going round in circles trying to make something, ANYTHING fit. That just doesn't make ANY sense to me, but that's JMO.

IMO, it's not about attempting to make things fit. We have a little one missing, we have 4 people at a campsite, and we have dogs keeping us at that campsite. Those facts we ARE certain about.

 

[ClaireNC]

If they got up on Friday (and hadn't set up camp so all their gear would still be in the truck) and drove into town for groceries and french fries and then drove back to the campground, I suppose it's possible they didn't set up camp until 1:00 PM, although I don't know where that time came from either.

As for 9:30, that's just an estimate and is based on rumor so you can disregard it. I should not have mentioned a specific time.

And really how much setting up camp would they really need to do? GGP had a camper, RI had his tent. Maybe put up at tent for DeOrr, Jessica and DeOrr jr. and get out some chairs and cooking equipment. It's not a whole lot of work to set up camp.

I think the whole "setting up camp" story line was just created by the East Idaho News reporter and CNN to be creative and add a human interest element to the story.

 

[starfire]

Uh oh, remember no FB rumors allowed. At least that's what I understand. TIA

I was just pointing out where the info/rumor came from.

 

[kammiemc]

Some people are just more sensible than others. IMO your argument for believing the reporter does not make sense. We can agree to disagree on that. I just don't understand your logic at all.

I am curious, just for argument's sake, if it's, say, reported by MSM tomorrow that the PI's information about the Thurs arrival time is accurate, is that a problem? I get the feeling that it's being somehow seen as against the parents to assume the PI is accurate. I don't think I understand the implications of a Thurs arrival date. (I'm thinking there must be implications because it's being so hotly debated!) Is it that it would imply that the parents lied? Genuine question.


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[neesaki]

I just edited my post to omit the rumored time. I apologize for the confusion - it was not intentional....

And I deleted my post, though a little too late I just don't want us getting in hot water, LOL. If there is a new story coming out in E. Idaho News, they hopefully will clear up some of these rumors so that they won't be just rumors anymore. Then we can talk about them all we want :happydance:

 

[ClaireNC]

MY logic, LOL!! In THAT case we WILL just have to agree to disagree. SOME people are hell bent to find fault with these (and most other) parents and end up going round in circles trying to make something, ANYTHING fit. That just doesn't make ANY sense to me, but that's JMO.

How is believing that they arrived on Thursday evening finding fault with the parents? Why are you trying to make "they arrived on Friday" FIT in the timeline?

Personally I am on the fence about what happened to DeOrr and don't strongly support any theory.