ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #9

[kammiemc]

Are you sure he said "I'm not supposed to say that"? It is the part of the interview where there is a car was going by (at the 1:35 mark) and it is hard to hear. I think he said, "I'm not, I'm not...I don't have anything to say about that." Like maybe he was going to say "I'm not sure"...but changed it to "I don't have anything to say." I wonder if he had been coached by somebody to just say some version of "no comment" when questioned by reporters.

Here is the link to the interview with Isaac.
[video=youtube;01DB2lqpWcs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01DB2lqpWcs[/video]

I do hear "I'm not...I'm not supposed to say that."

Then again, we are talking about a guy who opened his door to a reporter and said, "I'm sorry I don't have any questions."

I am not sure he really knew what he was saying.


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[Hatfield]

I watched the interview again. The sheriff saying "I don't believe they have a surveillance" in regards to the store sounds about as convincing as Isaac's "as far as I know he disappeared" statement.

Frustrating!

Yeah, and they way the sheriff says he doubts any place in Leodore has cameras. A professional investigator does not guess at these things. You investigate each and every place and find out whether they do or not.

He seems like a real nice guy but good grief. I would not want him investigating my lost child.

Someone made a good point earlier. I saw no emotion about the child's welfare. It all seemed too casual and like he already knew what has happened here. I know a long time has passed but many things about the sheriff interview did not seem right to me. I took it as him doing it as a requirement just to please the media requests and not to actually help anything.

 

[starfire]

One weird thing from IR's interview, aside from that he actually he said he was with ggp and DeOrr when DeOrr disappeared, is that when Nate asked him, "and so he just wandered away?" IR responded, "I'm not supposed to say that."
Who told IR what he was not supposed to say? LE? The parents? GGP? Jack Daniels?

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I never noticed he said that (he mumbled so much), but I listened again and it does sound like he says that. Weird.
(lol@Jack Daniels)

That part of the interview starts about 1:47
[video=youtube;01DB2lqpWcs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01DB2lqpWcs[/video]

 

[travelbug]

The other officer said he didn't think there were ANY cameras in Leadore. It there are, the sheriff and the officer are trying to make it seem like they are not. (Maybe on purpose?) These guys were not about to do anything in this interview to throw a wrench into the FBI's investigation. I think this interview was in part to calm the POI's. The sheriff basically thanked IR for his perceived truthfulness.

ETA: I think there is only like one more store in Leadore! A hunting supplies store.


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BBM - Requirements may be different in ID, but most states in the west have some form of monitoring the customers where guns and/or ammunition are sold. :moo:

 

[ClaireNC]

Thanks. That would make more sense because they may have been running low on fuel by the time they arrived near the camping area Thursday night. So then maybe the clerk did see them at 6 PM Thursday night afterall too because maybe they stopped at the store Thursday too.

The sheriff and the deputy indicated that it was another gas station that they stopped at on the way up to Leadore and it also did not have a surveillance system. I can see them stopping for gas as the set out on the trip soon after leaving Idaho Falls. There might be a limited number of gas stations that have diesel. There is no indication that they were at the store in Leadore on Thursday.

 

[TxJan1971]

FWIW I believe the stop to get diesel fuel was on the way to the campground from Idaho Falls. At least that's the impression I got from the interview.

Based on this article/video from today, I think you are correct:

When asked if the family was anywhere else during the trip, Bowerman said they stopped for diesel fuel traveling from Idaho Falls to Leadore, but the gas station doesn’t have surveillance video either.
http:// www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/

 

[desert-blue]

Wouldn't you be thrilled if you were a business owner in Leadore and the sheriff announces to the media that he doesn't believe anyone has surveillance cameras in Leadore (as robbers from all over Idaho get into their cars and head up there)?

And he laughed about it. Nice.

 

[kammiemc]

As Dad DeOrr states in this raw video, he didn't even know the road was there that let up to the reservoir. At about the 8:14 mark.
[video=youtube;mwM1oG3z358]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwM1oG3z358[/video]

Was the road the only way to the Rez? I thought their was a trail, no?


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[kammiemc]

BBM - Requirements may be different in ID, but most states in the west have some form of monitoring the customers where guns and/or ammunition are sold. :moo:

Good call!

ETA: The supply store is across the street from the Stage Stop, from what I can tell.


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[babyback]

My hope is that the traffic cams are being looked at. To me at this juncture, they are going to be the most helpful. If nothing else, to see the comings and goings of any vehicle/s that came from that campsite.

 

[Groundwork]

Was the road the only way to the Rez? I thought their was a trail, no?
I believe there is a trail up to the rez from the camping area, but I will need to double-check on that.
I wonder if the SAR dogs followed the road to the rez when they were on the scent or if they went up the trail. I guess I was thinking they went up the trail; if they followed DeOrr's scent up the trail, I then wondered if it could have been an 'old' scent (from earlier in the day).

 

[ILOKAL]

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Just got through watching the interview with the sheriff and I am deeply disturbed by the Sheriffs assumptions he is making and some of his other comments. With all due respect to him I think this type of thing is way out of his league.

Couple examples.

Reporter asked him about the report of the guy allegedly staring at the boy. Sheriff brushes it off and makes it sound like he doesn't even care about that report.

He also was asked about the friend. Sheriff is quoted as saying he "assumes" and he has "feeling" about things. I am sorry but a good investigator should never assume anything. And everyone needs checked out even if his "feelings" about someone are a certain way.

The Sheriff seems like a really nice person but lets just say I am very glad the FBI has the case. I think critical time was lost during the early days of this investigation.

The key thing I learned is people arrived Thursday night shortly before DARK!! Which tells me they had to setup camp right before dark.

For any fellow campers, we know what this means. What this means is there was a scramble to setup the campsite before it got too dark to see because it is much harder to use flashlights and set everything up. So there was a huge opportunity for people to be distracted and the boy being left unattended.

Wondering if maybe he went missing Thursday night and they decided to look for him all night. They may have felt confident that once morning arrives they would find him sleeping under a tree so maybe decided not to call right away until morning after they check in daylight. But maybe when they finally found him Friday morning it was a disaster instead of what they expected.

The last thing that still bugs me is the Leodore trip. We now learn diesel fuel was needed. Wondering if they were searching for him so much through the night that they needed fuel for the truck to keep looking.

According to today's interview, they bought diesel after they left Idaho Falls and before arriving at Leadore.

 

[babyback]

I'm not sure if there are trails that go up to the reservoir or not.

 

[Hatfield]

Based on this article/video from today, I think you are correct:

When asked if the family was anywhere else during the trip, Bowerman said they stopped for diesel fuel traveling from Idaho Falls to Leadore, but the gas station doesn’t have surveillance video either.
http:// www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/

During the Sheriff interview the Deputy threw in the extra information about the gas stop. I took that as the gas stop had to be near the campground and not when they first headed out.

Because the context of the discussion was about the area near where the boy went missing.

Some other stop near their house would not have importance and the deputy threw it in as something else just to be aware of like it was another stop near the campground area.

I took it as the stop at the store was different than the stop for gas but they were both near the campground.

I could have interpreted it wrong. The bottom line is it wasn't clear enough to really tell much and the interviewer should have clarified things better with them.

 

[kammiemc]

Yeah, and they way the sheriff says he doubts any place in Leodore has cameras. A professional investigator does not guess at these things. You investigate each and every place and find out whether they do or not.

He seems like a real nice guy but good grief. I would not want him investigating my lost child.

Someone made a good point earlier. I saw no emotion about the child's welfare. It all seemed too casual and like he already knew what has happened here. I know a long time has passed but many things about the sheriff interview did not seem right to me. I took it as him doing it as a requirement just to please the media requests and not to actually help anything.

I was wondering if the FBI suggest he do the interview. He did not seem dumb to me. People in that pocket of the world have their own culture of communication. In my experience, they see indirectness as being polite (normal) and that can include a lack of eye contact. Seriously. My brother is like that and it drives me insane. (Sorry Mike!)



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[travelbug]

At some point I read (maybe it was just a post) that there was a sighting at a gas station (not the one in Caldwell) and I have been trying to figure out if that was actually the same as the candy/dirty/crying sighting?

I don't think they'd be getting gas in Leadore at 6, then at the campground right around dark, per sheriff. (Sun didn't set until well after 9 PM.) so something in that equation is off. Could have been a gas station on the road.



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BBM - I wonder if a store clerk where they stopped for diesel on Thursday night is the one that described a "gentleman and a really filthy and bawling little boy"?

 

[kammiemc]

My hope is that the traffic cams are being looked at. To me at this juncture, they are going to be the most helpful. If nothing else, to see the comings and goings of any vehicle/s that came from that campsite.

The reminder of the traffic cams makes me think the sheriff and chief deputy know very well that there are at least SOME cameras in Leadore. But they wanted certain people to believe there are not any.


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[ClaireNC]

Yeah, and they way the sheriff says he doubts any place in Leodore has cameras. A professional investigator does not guess at these things. You investigate each and every place and find out whether they do or not.

He seems like a real nice guy but good grief. I would not want him investigating my lost child.

(snipped for space).

This is very rural America. There are only about 8,000 people in the whole county. I doubt investigating is not one of their strengths.

I keep thinking that the sheriff's office did not take this all that seriously at the beginning in terms of any possible criminal investigation down the road. At the beginning it was a SAR operation. They didn't bother gathering evidence and facts, information for a timeline, etc. This was way out of their league.

For the first week or so, they were acting more like SAR/forest rangers rather than investigators. When they shifted the focus from a search to an investigation was probably when they started asking questions and then they called in the FBI to do the true investigative work. (I think it was about 10 days after he went missing when they announced that the search has ended and the investigation was shifting and they called in the FBI a week or so later.)

 

[katydid23]

If DeOrr went up to the rez and back with his parents earlier in the day on Friday and then went via truck to the store but was not in the campsite after that, would the dogs track to the rez and then back to the campsite and just stop there? Does anyone know if SAR dogs are somehow trained to follow scent trails in any sort of chronological (meaning strength of scent I guess) order?

But I don't think that DeOrr went out on any walks with his parents earlier on Friday. I am pretty sure thaT they just woke up after sleeping in the Suburban, went to the restroom, washed up, had some coffee, and made a grocery list before going to town. If they returned by 1 pm then they had to leave by about 10:30 or 11, imo.

 

[TxJan1971]

During the Sheriff interview the Deputy threw in the extra information about the gas stop. I took that as the gas stop had to be near the campground and not when they first headed out.

Because the context of the discussion was about the area near where the boy went missing.

Some other stop near their house would not have importance and the deputy threw it in as something else just to be aware of like it was another stop near the campground area.

I took it as the stop at the store was different than the stop for gas but they were both near the campground.

I could have interpreted it wrong. The bottom line is it wasn't clear enough to really tell much and the interviewer should have clarified things better with them.

BBM
I see what you're saying. I took it to mean it was somewhere close to Leadore but it very well could have been anywhere after leaving their home (on the 2 1/2 hour drive). Add that to our list of f/u questions.

Sometimes you do have to keep digging, digging, digging until you get to what you really want to know.