ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #9

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

I always thought the parents exaggerated how long they were gone, not because they committed foul play, but because they felt bad for leaving and this happened. I think they got cornered into that statement and couldn't retract it. Which l feel also accounts for moms looks of frustration in the interview.
The whole point being that it presents a lot more time for another POI to have done something. Gramps cant contradict time and IR wouldn't want to. Just a thought.

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I agree with you on the amount of time spent "exploring." I have always thought it was probably longer than ten minutes.

 

[margol29]

I think the reason many of us veered away from that scenario is because the sheriff was emphatic in saying how thoroughly and completely the reservoir and creek were searched therefore it was virtually impossible for little Deorr to not have been found. Really? After having seen that creek with the rapid rushing fast water flowing a distance of approximately three miles, PLUS the reservoir, how could those waters have been searched that carefully in that period of time? He also went on to say that with the experience of the dogs, he was surprised (or some similar word) that Deorr wasn't found the FIRST day! I truly hope searches of those waters are continuing each day until every inch has been touched and looked at and no stone is left unturned.

This, exactly! Since over a month has passed, I believe that the SAR teams should recheck everything. Especially the bodies of water. The SAR dogs and the cadaver dogs should go out again and do a thorough seach of the whole area again. Time has passed and maybe things have been dislodged in the water where his remains might be found now. I just hate typing that sentence. Poor little guy!! I hope he is found soon, alive!

 

[kammiemc]

I always thought the parents exaggerated how long they were gone, not because they committed foul play, but because they felt bad for leaving and this happened. I think they got cornered into that statement and couldn't retract it. Which l feel also accounts for moms looks of frustration in the interview.
The whole point being that it presents a lot more time for another POI to have done something. Gramps cant contradict time and IR wouldn't want to. Just a thought.

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I am trying to think of ways they might have been cornered into saying they were exploring for a specific amount of time, but I can't seem to. Do you mind sharing what you mean? Are you thinking the sheriff might have asked them and they said the wrong time and then felt they had to stick with that story?

ETA: I am not thinking that impossible that they would have misinformed the sheriff out of guilt, but I'd think when your kid is missing things like how YOU look, whether it be to your employer or LE or the public would automatically fall to second priority under making sure LE had the clearest knowledge of events for the best chance of help of finding your little one!

 

[ninij9]

I am trying to think of ways they might have been cornered into saying they were exploring for a specific amount of time, but I can't seem to. Do you mind sharing what you mean? Are you thinking the sheriff might have asked them and they said the wrong time and then felt they had to stick with that story?

ETA: I am not thinking that impossible that they would have misinformed the sheriff out of guilt, but I'd think when your kid is missing things like how YOU look, whether it be to your employer or LE or the public would automatically fall to second priority under making sure LE had the clearest knowledge of events for the best chance of help of finding your little one!

I feel that they were trying to minimize the amount of time that little DeOrr was left untended or with grandpa. It is only a theory I have as to the 10 minute 50 yard comment they made in the interview. Suppose they were being intimate in a field, or maybe smoking something they shouldn't have? They would feel so guilty and maybe even a little afraid of the consequences. Again, its only an idea I have to try and make sense of how a tiny tot could so fully disappear in a ten minute window.

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[bluesneakers]

Here's the story of Richard Jewell - Person of Interest

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell

I just watched the 30 for 30 short about him. I'd recommend it if you're interested in what happened.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10365079

 

[bluesneakers]

I agree with you on the amount of time spent "exploring." I have always thought it was probably longer than ten minutes.

I think so too. Ten minutes would mean they explored for five and then turned around, which imo is just a quick walk, and too soon to turn around if they thought DeOrr was napping. I'm not suggesting they lied, intentionally or otherwise, just that they might not have an accurate estimate. Maybe it felt like 10 minutes. I know when I'm out in the woods like that I'm not paying much attention to the time so I can understand not being certain.

 

[ILOKAL]

Time DOES fly when you're having fun and we often lose track of time and are amazed to learn how quickly time has passed. The parents may have actually thought they WERE only away from the camp site for no more than ten minutes. Then, when they saw the time stamp on the receipt from the store against the time the 911 call was placed, and then added what they did between those two knowns, they may have realized they actually HAD left the camp site for longer than they originally thought and WAY longer than they had ever imagined. They may be having a difficult time accepting that and are feeling enormous guilt.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Time DOES fly when you're having fun and we often lose track of time and are amazed to learn how quickly time has passed. The parents may have actually thought they WERE only away from the camp site for no more than ten minutes. Then, when they saw the time stamp on the receipt from the store against the time the 911 call was placed, and then added what they did between those two knowns, they may have realized they actually HAD left the camp site for longer than they originally thought and WAY longer than they had ever imagined. They may be having a difficult time accepting that and are feeling enormous guilt.

It would be interesting to know how long they were actually gone, i.e., after they retraced their steps for LE.

 

[ILOKAL]

I just watched the 30 for 30 short about him. I'd recommend it if you're interested in what happened.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10365079

Everyone should learn a lesson from that case. Mr. Jewell passed away in 2007

 

[pappa rob]

I just watched the 30 for 30 short about him. I'd recommend it if you're interested in what happened.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10365079

I remember he went from hero, to POI, then he was the suspect. Then back to hero, I'm stubborn I'll believe in the best in people, until I have proof otherwise. I'll still look for the truth anyways.

 

[Lilibet]

The first time I remember hearing it was when JonBenet died.

Richard Jewell and JonBenet were both in 1996, so it seems to have been made popular with Jewell in the summer (thanks to the FBI leak and rash media reporting) and used again with JonBenet in December and ever since.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell

ETA: Ooops! I didn't see previous posts about Jewell. Sorry to be redundant. I will say that I lost a lot of respect for Tom Brokaw on that story. He owed Jewell a big apology. NBC paid Jewell $500,000 while standing by their story.

 

[TheGambler]

Bluesneakers, thank you so much for that link to the video about Richard Jewell. Towards the end of the video his mom said that 20 years from now we would remember his name as the man that was accused of the bombing (my words). She was RIGHT. It has been 19 years and I remembered his name. If someone would have asked me who was accused of that crime I could have told them. In fact time goes so fast that I can't believe it has been that long ago that happened.

RJ is off topic, but it does teach us a lesson to not jump to conclusions. It can ruin innocent people's lives. That poor man and what he went though was horrible.

Thanks again.

 

[kammiemc]

Time DOES fly when you're having fun and we often lose track of time and are amazed to learn how quickly time has passed. The parents may have actually thought they WERE only away from the camp site for no more than ten minutes. Then, when they saw the time stamp on the receipt from the store against the time the 911 call was placed, and then added what they did between those two knowns, they may have realized they actually HAD left the camp site for longer than they originally thought and WAY longer than they had ever imagined. They may be having a difficult time accepting that and are feeling enormous guilt.

So, if that's the case, they were gone way longer than 10 or 15 mins, but only realized that after looking at the receipt and time of the 911 call? And then didn't clarify that they were gone longer because they felt guilt over having been gone for so long? So LE was left working under the assumption that the window of DeOrr's disappearance was much shorter than in reality? I bet that is something they would have thought important to get clarification about. Maybe they even asked in the lie detector test if they thought the timing seemed off or suspected the parents were holding back info due to guilt over hanky panky in the woods or smoking.


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[ILOKAL]

I remember he went from hero, to POI, then he was the suspect. Then back to hero, I'm stubborn I'll believe in the best in people, until I have proof otherwise. I'll still look for the truth anyways.

I'm with you!

 

[Mickshawn]

So many times a day, I am just struck..."DeOrr!!!! What happened to him?!?"...just comes seemingly out of nowhere.....I guess he is on my mind constantly....Poor little munchkin.

 

[ILOKAL]

So many times a day, I am just struck..."DeOrr!!!! What happened to him?!?"...just comes seemingly out of nowhere.....I guess he is on my mind constantly....Poor little munchkin.

Same here, Mick. We were camping (in the mountains of TN) when I heard of his disappearance from a camping neighbor. It was July 13th. I had no wifi so had to wait until we returned to our cabin on July 22nd before reading about it. He's been in my heart and on my mind ever since

 

[bluesneakers]

Bluesneakers, thank you so much for that link to the video about Richard Jewell. Towards the end of the video his mom said that 20 years from now we would remember his name as the man that was accused of the bombing (my words). She was RIGHT. It has been 19 years and I remembered his name. If someone would have asked me who was accused of that crime I could have told them. In fact time goes so fast that I can't believe it has been that long ago that happened.

RJ is off topic, but it does teach us a lesson to not jump to conclusions. It can ruin innocent people's lives. That poor man and what he went though was horrible.

Thanks again.

Not to keep going OT but I just wanted to say I'm glad you liked it. I thought it was really well done (all the 30 for 30s are imo) and you're exactly right - 20 years later we all know his name. What happened to him and his mother was awful and inexcusable and he never really got his life back. It's heartbreaking. What I would really like to know is if people are just as familiar with who eventually confessed. I'm sure they know his name, but do they know he was the real Atlanta bomber?

And back to on-topic - if no one is ever found guilty in this case will the people still be treated differently? I wonder if Deorr's parents have lost any friends or been harassed. My gut says yes to both. We saw IR harassed and I know people think he's guilty, and lots of people on the internet (not saying at WS) have found Deorr's mom and dad guilty too. As if losing their son wasn't enough to drastically change their lives they have all this suspicion and accusations to deal with now too. I imagine they've suffered financially as well.

If DeOrr is found will that only make his parents seem guiltier, whether or not they are? I can see it happening.

 

[Arnie M]

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Recent comments beg the following question be asked ...

What social media source applies the most "Richard Jewell tactics" to the "DeOrr Kunz Case" ..... ????

Hint .... it has over 8000 posts.

 

[ILOKAL]

Later on you can explain the "reality" when we find out what the heck it is. Your "reality" is guesswork for now. I'll wait for the real "reality" give me facts, then I'll make up my mind. I don't do it from SM or guesswork.

The reality is there are NO named suspects in the disappearance of a little boy. That fact is reality. No SM - no guesswork.

 

[bluesneakers]

I agree. It can be dangerous to jump to conclusions, whether that is to automatically condemn someone or to automatically clear someone. It's hard to have patience and let the facts play out because we all get different hunches or have questions, even looking at the exact same information. I think giving people the benefit of the doubt is good. But I also think it's okay to have questions about all aspects of a situation when some things aren't quite adding up.
Being cautiously optimistic seems reasonable and different than the debacle of Richard Jewell.


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We don't know what's going on in DeOrr's parents' lives right now. I'm sure people are jumping to conclusions and finding ways to make this harder than it has to be. I mean, just the comments on the Find DeOrr Facebook page were hurtful and cruel. If this case were getting more attention they'd likely be getting harassed by the media too. They live in a small town where I'm sure people talk. Who knows how their neighbors, family members, and co-workers are treating them.