ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow - Tylee Ryan - Tammy Daybell - Charles Vallow - *Arrests* #67

[pizzaman12]

Curious everyone’s take on what this does for any potential plea deals. Does this put pressure on the state to offer up anything?

 

[fred&edna]

I'm feeling "worser and worser" about this case (maybe it's just me).

 

[Tortoise]

I think there's a slim possibility Lori might waive her speedy trial rights after all, just to be tried with Chad.

 

[indicolite22]

Curious everyone’s take on what this does for any potential plea deals. Does this put pressure on the state to offer up anything?

If anything, they could offer Lori a deal for testimony against Chad. I don't see her accepting it though. IMO she's still deluded and thinks she'll get off.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Oh my. I’m more than disappointed in Boyce and prosecution.

I’ve always suspected Boyce and the prosecution didn’t want this trial going forward as it was.

Won’t say why but I think we all know.

Next I expect to hear that someone is going free. Then the second person charged will blame Alex.

Cover up of the cult and the church,

 

[pizzaman12]

If anything, they could offer Lori a deal for testimony against Chad. I don't see her accepting it though. IMO she's still deluded and thinks she'll get off.

I agree that I don't think she'll take it. Does play into my thoughts last week when I commented on JP now calling her Ms. Vallow which he stopped doing long ago. "I wonder if CD/JP are concerned that LV is considering a deal? Or if they can get a severance, keeping LV close/happy vs. shunning her would help CD."

Does it put pressure on the state to try to make a deal?

 

[Love Never Fails]

I'm feeling "worser and worser" about this case (maybe it's just me).

Not just you. More like 99 percent of us.

 

[indicolite22]

I think there's a slim possibility Lori might waive her speedy trial rights after all, just to be tried with Chad.

It's hard to say if she has a strategy. It looks like she doesn't listen to her lawyers' advice.

Oh my. I’m more than disappointed in Boyce and prosecution.

I’ve always suspected Boyce and the prosecution didn’t want this trial going forward as it was.

Won’t say why but I think we all know.

Next I expect to hear that someone is going free. Then the second person charged will blame Alex.

Cover up of the cult and the church,

IMO it's not in the Church's interest for L&C to go free. Neither their beliefs nor actions were endorsed by the Church.

 

[indicolite22]

I agree that I don't think she'll take it. Does play into my thoughts last week when I commented on JP now calling her Ms. Vallow which he stopped doing long ago. "I wonder if CD/JP are concerned that LV is considering a deal? Or if they can get a severance, keeping LV close/happy vs. shunning her would help CD."

Does it put pressure on the state to try to make a deal?

JP calling her Ms Daybell again makes me think that some sort of coordination took place between L&C recently. Maybe a deal was on the table, but didn't go through.

 

[mickey2942]

Judge severs trial. Interesting. Sounds like CD's plan is to throw LVD under the bus. So much for true love.

 

[pizzaman12]

JP calling her Ms Daybell again makes me think that some sort of coordination took place between L&C recently. Maybe a deal was on the table, but didn't go through.

Agreed. In the past he's corrected himself when he accidently called her Daybell and rephased with Ms. Vallow. This started right after the mediation efforts were scheduled. It's not by coincidence.

It will be interesting what JA pushes for and to what extent LV will listen. He's a hard one to read. Obviously not his first rodeo but I half expect him to fall asleep while he's talking. Total opposite of JP

 

[fred&edna]

Actually, severing the cases may not be so bad.

 

[CSIDreamer]

They found unknown DNA? Did I read that right?

 

[arielilane]

Lori Vallow will be tried SEPARATELY from husband Chad Daybell

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631386786617237522

 

[SteveS]

Let me rephrase. “Potential” violation.

I’ve read the ruling and just because that is the determination he made, doesn’t make it absolute. Cases are turned over on appeals all the time. Will it stick? I don’t know

I’m not a lawyer, judge, appellate court, etc…but there are plenty in the legal community that share that same concern.

Understood.

Personally, at this point I have way less concern about the speedy trial issue, and far far far far more over the 2 trials being severed. The speedy trial "violation" was merely an attention-grabbing claim leading to a motion, by the defense, one of many in this case, and in this case one that the judge has already shot down. While it can get re-raised via appeal, they now have to find "error" of some sort in the judge's thinking or use of case law in his ruling applying the law to this specific case. That's not impossible, but it's not highly likely. Appeals tend to be longshots and much deference is given to the judge.

However, this being severed does concern me, both in its impact and in the way the prosecutors own misdeeds led to this outcome. Incompetence and being out-lawyered in one area doesn't bode well for what's to come.

In addition, making this into two trials now makes it necessary for the state to show what LORI did, personally causing or enabling death, rather than saying "one or the other did this." With them not being co-defendants, she can say "I had nothing to do with that, it must have been Chad" as her defense. Although the state will have some tactics available to keep that from being an ultimate defense, it's going to make it much much harder to lay blame on her individually, and therefore to get a conviction imo. These guys need to fry, but this is not a good development at all for the cause of justice.

 

[887sMtreme]

They've found intact hair in Iron Age burials. With bog bodies. Rameses II has a full head of hair - relatively - he has male pattern baldness. Google him - he doesn't just have scalp hair, he's got eyebrows, eyelashes. A testament to the skill of embalmers three and a half thousand years ago. Hair is how they IDed Somerton man, recently, from hair stuck in the plaster of Paris death mask they made of him before burial. Hair is more robust and persistent than you'd think.

Also, if this hair was found on tape, what's to say it wasn't between two overlapping wraps of tape? Then, it might well be as clean as a hair mounted on a glass slide. It'd be encapsulated between tape and glue, and may not have been touched by decomposition at all.

MOO

Good points, particularly the last.

 

[pizzaman12]

Understood.

Personally, at this point I have way less concern about the speedy trial issue, and far far far far more over the 2 trials being severed. The speedy trial "violation" was merely an attention-grabbing claim leading to a motion, by the defense, one of many in this case, and in this case one that the judge has already shot down. While it can get re-raised via appeal, they now have to find "error" of some sort in the judge's thinking or use of case law in his ruling applying the law to this specific case. That's not impossible, but it's not highly likely. Appeals tend to be longshots and much deference is given to the judge.

However, this being severed does concern me, both in its impact and in the way the prosecutors own misdeeds led to this outcome. Incompetence and being out-lawyered in one area doesn't bode well for what's to come.

In addition, making this into two trials now makes it necessary for the state to show what LORI did, personally causing or enabling death, rather than saying "one or the other did this." With them not being co-defendants, she can say "I had nothing to do with that, it must have been Chad" as her defense. Although the state will have some tactics available to keep that from being an ultimate defense, it's going to make it much much harder to lay blame on her individually, and therefore to get a conviction imo. These guys need to fry, but this is not a good development at all for the cause of justice.

Well put. It will be interesting how the state adjusts their strategy. Like many others, I thought they were off to a great start. Like many others, wow has that changed.

 

[887sMtreme]

They found unknown DNA? Did I read that right?

Sounds like it. Fascinating, but could be from any number of random (and ultimately unimportant) sources.

 

[887sMtreme]

Actually, severing the cases may not be so bad.

I’d like to hear more of your thinking on that.

 

[fred&edna]

I’d like to hear more of your thinking on that.

I would, too! lol! I really haven't given it extensive thought. Honestly, at this point, severed or together... I just want to get these two on trial already.