ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow - Tylee Ryan - Tammy Daybell - Charles Vallow - *Arrests* #69

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  • #221
I would think bruises were from being held while tape was being applied. I've removed heavily taped IVs from some pretty squirmy kids of all ages and don't remember ever seeing bruises.
Those poor children.
I agree.
However there is a possibility it was post mortum bruising. Possibly from hoding JJ's arms while lowering him into the ground. :(

"It is not sufficiently emphasized in our country that bruising can also appear post-mortem. We report two cases in which we observed discolorations which looked like ante-mortem bruising......"
 
  • #222
Speaking of family…who do you think is providing Lori’s courtroom attire?

Maybe dear ol' Janis. Just my guess.
 
  • #223
Def attorney Thomas says they object to her testimony and reads the rules for appellate purposes. He says the state received statements from Gibb and she said she met with the state and the state didn't turn them over. #LoriVallow
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This is absolutely absurd. There's nothing Melanie has said that hasn't been all over the media for months (years?) already. How could the defense say that any of this was not provided to them?
 
  • #224
Speaking of family…who do you think is providing Lori’s courtroom attire?
thats what ive been wondering, as well as who would be keeping all her clothes and personal effects with her being in prison for a while now.
 
  • #225
The state responds this was previously litigated. The state says there's a different interpretation by the defense. Blake says all statements have been turned over. If any NEW statements are made they should be turned over but nothing new was learned #LoriVallow
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Does this seem to be a reoccurring theme on cross…defense saying they didn’t receive things…then prosecution saying it was provided
 
  • #226
This is about the time in November 2018 when Chad stayed in Lori's house when Charles was away:

Thomas says this wasn't some romantic encounter with Chad and Lori because others stayed. Gibb said I don't know their desires but there was an attraction. Thomas says this wasn't a hookup. Gibb says I don't know #LoriVallow
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Chad described the stay in his romance novel.

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  • #227
Does this seem to be a reoccurring theme on cross…defense saying they didn’t receive things…then prosecution saying it was provided
I think in this case defense expected to be provided a transcript of MG's last Zoom meeting with the prosecution.
 
  • #228
I love Gigi’s visuals during this witness’ testimony…

This jury is intrigued and probably a whole lot of other things I can only imagine. Their faces are telling a story. Watching Mr Thomas and Melanie Gibb.

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  • #230
Apparently Chad would tell Lori Tylee had been a zombie since she was 12.

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GIBB Now talks about Lori, Tylee, JJ ,and Alex moving to Idaho and the last time she saw Tylee... Jury is and has been completely captivated by Melanie Gibb's testimony.. One juror has his chin in his hands focused, listening for a while..

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  • #235
Summary of tweets - Thursday, 4/13/23 - Melanie Gibb / part 2


Nate Eaton
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Melanie says Chad was nervous, said the police are looking for JJ. Melanie said she thought JJ was with Kay and Chad told her he was not. Chad told Melanie that Lori would be calling her.

Melanie thought JJ was with Kay because Lori had told her she met with Kay at an airport and she asked Kay to take care of JJ.

Lori then called Melanie. Lori said the police came by and she told officers that JJ was with Melanie watching Frozen. Lori asked Melanie to take photos of random kids at the movie theater and send them to the police.

Police tried to get a hold of Melanie but she did not take their calls. "I wasn't sure what in the world to do."

Lori told Melanie the police were dark. Kay, Lori's dad and her brother (Adam Cox) were also dark. Lori said JJ's life was in danger and Kay was trying to kidnap him. Melanie wasn't sure what to believe. Says she was in shock and perplexed.

Melanie eventually spoke to police at the end of November/beginning of December and said JJ had not been with her.

Blake about to admit a 20-minute phone call into evidence where she confronted Chad and Lori. This is the recording

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Blake is now playing the call. Melanie recorded the conversation with Chad and Lori. Chad answers, "Hello sweet Melanie."

Melanie asks Chad and Lori where they are. Chad giggles and says, "We're just hanging out." They don't say where they are. Melanie asks Lori what happened with JJ and why isn't he at Kay's house. Lori doesn't answer the question but says people are after her.

Chad says, "If you knew where JJ was, that puts you in danger." Chad and Lori won't say where JJ is because Lori wants to keep him and everyone else protected.

Melanie asks Lori if JJ is safe. She responds, "He is safe and happy." Melanie asks how it could hurt her if she new where JJ is. "I'm just not telling anybody so that nobody has to say where he is or get questioned where he is so I can keep him as safe as possible."

Melanie says, "I hope he's ok. I hope you guys are ok."

Melanie says she asked Alex Cox where JJ was. He said he was somewhere he couldn't be found and Melanie didn't want to know where JJ is.

Lori won't tell Melanie where they are and Melanie says she is worried for them. Lori says Kay is dark and is working with the police. Lori says, "I know exactly where JJ is. He is safe and fine."

On the call, Lori mentioned prophets from the scriptures and how they had to "hide in the cavity of a rock." Melanie reads a scripture to Lori about not fearing men more than God and being faithful. Melanie says if the door is open to Satan, he comes in and attacks.

God doesn't work in darkness," Melanie says. Lori responds, "I agree 100% and that is what the Lord is doing with me."

Lori says she is "hiding in the cavity of a rock" and that Kay is dark because she changed the life insurance policy with Charles. Lori says she doesn't know why Melanie is being "controversial" with her and says she loves Melanie.

Melanie says, "If you really loved me, you would not have told the police I had JJ with me."

Lori tells Melanie she did what the Lord told her to do. Melanie says Lori has been deceived - Tammy died, Charles died. Melanie says she has never had peace about all this and she has felt weird in her stomach.

Lori responds, "You know me, Mel. This sounds like you have been influenced by somebody dark and obey dark things."

Lori says Christ is coming soon and Melanie will know that Lori has not been deceived. Chad now comes onto the call and says his sister-in-law (Heather Daybell) has been deceived and coming up with theories.

Chad says his own children said Tammy had been getting weaker and sick, her heart was failing her and she was physically falling apart.

Chad says he's known for years that Tammy would die at a young age and his life will have two segments. Chad says you have to have faith in the master plan.

Melanie says, "You can understand my concern, can't you?" Chad says from an outsider's perspective, he can but her boyfriend seems to be putting doubts in her mind. Melanie says she was not listening to her gut feeling and feels uncomfortable with many things.

Melanie says she was reading the story of Korihor and his carnal and natural desires. Lori says, "You think I'm Korihor? Are you kidding me right now?" Melanie says both Chad and Lori had similarities to Korihor.

Lori says she lives by the scriptures and Melanie says she feels Lori has "rested" the scriptures. Lori is upset Melanie would say this.

If you haven't heard this call, you should take a listen. Both Lori and Melanie are talking very fast so it's hard to get it all in.

The call begins to wind up with Lori saying, "I'm sorry you are friends with all these people who are against me." Melanie says she isn't friends with any of them - she doesn't know Kay, she doesn't know Chad's sister-in-law.

Melanie says Lori's behavior is not one of someone who believes in Christ. Lori says Melanie sounds "pissed off," Melanie responds, "I am troubled. These things - like you being with Chad before he's even divorced."

Lori says, "I was never with him and he was never divorced." Melanie says, "Honey, I've seen you guys together."

Lori says Jesus Christ is protecting her and will protect her against the accusations Melanie has made against her. Lori then ends the call.

Judge calls a morning recess. Back in 20 minutes.



link: https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow


continued...

If I were on the jury and had to listen to this, I would be an angry juror at this point.

It's very convenient for LV and CD to make up any (religious) stories they want (past lives have ensured they belong together in this life, people are "dark" and therefore worthy, I suppose, of being murdered, ...) to justify doing whatever they want including cheating and murdering multiple people. Melanie should consider herself lucky that she did not meet an untimely end through an "accident".

I have followed this case but not in complete detail. The details of this call are just infuriating and show that LV and CD are narcissists who gaslight and murder and cheat and anything else they want to and consider themselves "justified" in doing those things. Total, total, total scum. (I knew that but this call still just really got to me.)

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  • #236
The jurors are very attentively paying attention during this talk of zombies, dark and light, etc. Lori also paying attention as she watches Melanie on the stand. I have not seen Melanie look at Lori.

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  • #237
I love Gigi’s visuals during this witness’ testimony…

This jury is intrigued and probably a whole lot of other things I can only imagine. Their faces are telling a story. Watching Mr Thomas and Melanie Gibb.

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Why would Chad and Lori want to cast out the evil, dark spirits? This would ruin their plans for marriage.
 
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  • #239
JURORS - most are consistently taking notes throughout Melanie Gibb's testimony.. all of the jurors heads look down to write when Gibb says that Lori "came in and let me know that Chad told her that Charles Vallow was taken over by an evil spirit and that had made him dark"

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