ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #71

[pizzaman12]

Do they not have the content of all of these SMS messages they're discussing???

 

[formerlyme]

Can you explain the significance of this obituary search? I don't get it... What was this info for?

I just thought it shows a lot of planning? to find an actual name to assign to the spirit she claimed had overtaken charles. It just seemed next level to me.

 

[Ruminations]

I'm sure LE didn't simply take Lori's word for it. If there wasn't hard evidence they would not have brought it up in court. The defense would have reviewed the evidence.

And I think the point was- instead of changing the beneficiary from (I presume Charles, but this was not testimony) to all of her children, she changed it to Colby only. Could be because he was the oldest and wound care for his siblings. Or it could be because he was the only one who would survive.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

He also said it was the 28th (DAY 14 | LIVE UPDATES: Temple visits, cell phone activity, emails, and more presented in Daybell trial - East Idaho News). It is at the 11:06 point

I guess we'll have to wait and see what the final correct date was. If it really was the 8th that would be much more significant.

The earlier date also came out in Chad's preliminary. It was searched to prepare for burning something the day Chad sent the raccoon text.

MOO

 

[cottonweaver]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650877804572200960

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650878813130346502

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650880839994216450

 

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650881927010975747

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650882547860242433

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650884344666546176

 

[squareandrabbet]

Do they not have the content of all of these SMS messages they're discussing???

Maybe they aren't allowed to discuss the content under oath.

 

[cottonweaver]

Do they not have the content of all of these SMS messages they're discussing???

it's unclear from the reporting / testimony, which numbers/phones these are texted from ( may not have the texts or maybe this LEO will tell us after this intro?)

eg

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650878363446448129

 

[wnk]

Do they not have the content of all of these SMS messages they're discussing???

I was wondering the same thing, so I did a bit of digging.

Looks like cell companies retain the metadata (time, location, sender & recipient) for a lot longer than they keep the actual texts (and most don't keep that at all). With so much time passing between the kids' deaths (SEP 2019) and when warrants were served (JAN 2020?), they probably would not have been able to access the actual messages anymore.

The raccoon text was found specifically on TD's phone -- she must have still had it in her text history, while the rest of the texts back and forth from the co-conspirators would have probably been erased.

How Long Do Wireless Providers Keep Your Data?
Cell phone forensics

[M]essage content is kept by Verizon for a period of 3-5 days. The other 3 carriers, T-Mobile, AT&T and Sprint don’t keep message content at all. However, all four carriers do keep text message detail. This doesn’t contain what was written in the text but it does show who it was sent to and when. (SOURCE: PhoneArena)

 

[cottonweaver]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650882530667827200

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650881894584811525

 

[Onsdag]

Chad lugubriously sighing, 'they're digging'...

RSBM

What a fun word that I'd never heard of before! Lugubrious.

I agree. Just listening to their conversation that day, you know that they knew, and that they knew each other knew, what exactly was being communicated between each other... while simultaneously knowing that they knew other ears were listening in, and they didn't want 'them' knowing what they knew. Sooo much was revealed in that single phone call!

 

[KMouse]

Don't forget her now extremely well publicized and recorded conversation with Chad lugubriously sighing, 'they're digging'... after which point, Lori doesn’t need anything explained to her, nope... just brightly and cheerfully asked him if he wants her to call him later... doesn’t need to have “they’re digging' explained to her or anything... just knows this means she needs to skedaddle off the phone… no 'digging for what?' 'Why does that matter'? 'Who is 'they', sweetie?'... without the presupposition that they know exactly what will be found by a dig in Chad's backyard, how does the defense (either of the defenses) plan on explaining that, I wonder??

Correct. It's not always what is said. Sometimes it is what is not said or done.

 

[cottonweaver]

moving to Tammy incident now - 9th Oct

text messages is included in Alex's tweet ( which implies they don't have the other texts or LEO would have read them out. Dang!)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650884239272087553

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650883607110782977

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650887162324463617

eta
thanks @Nikynoo . it gets me every time

 

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650884421065777152

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650884707998109696

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650885835510935552

 

[Nikynoo]

moving to Tammy incident now - 10th Sept

text messages is included in Alex's tweet ( which implies they don't have the other texts or LEO would have read them out. Dang!)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650884239272087553

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650883607110782977

Its 9th October @cottonweaver

 

[cottonweaver]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650885244109869056

Adding this, from LAST WEEK's testimony from Zulema

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646957340565078016

last week's testimony again- Zulema's - again, all from Gigi's tweets
' Zulema was around Lori when Tammy was shot at that night. They were in AZ and Lori texted her to come to Melaniece's because she needed her help...Lori told her Tammy had been possessed by a demon and she was no longer herself. She needed Zulema's help to cast out the demon, Viola. They did a casting.....During the casting it was Zulema, Lori, Melaniece, her kids were asleep. The casting ended with Lori saying she learned something new to do casting - using cosmos and afterwards she gave Zulema tons of praise ......Then Lori got a phone call. Her demeanor was angry - scary angry. (The night Tammy was shot at).

https://twitter.com/PrettyLiesAlibi
@PrettyLiesAlibi

 

[BeachSky]

Lori and Chad believed the world was going to end in July and their indiscretions would be forgotten/ignored

Why did they did not talk to Colby, Summer, Janet, et all …about being part of this “gathering”. We now know Lori asked her friend in Hawaii to join. It meant that woman would have to leave her husband & children. I wonder if that hubby & kids might of mysteriously ended up dead…with life insurance$$ or SS payments involved?
Follow the money.
IMO the entire -crazy talk- comes off self serving , circular talk for getting free of any burdens & promoting their agenda of attaining funds $$$. Yeah, not having to really work. Both Chad & Lori were really good at that game.
I think more would have died for either their need to attain money or to silence people.
IMO there was no END coming in July.
It was just part of their ruse. Follow the need for money$$$ and their huge BS narrative.

All just my MOO

 

[pizzaman12]

I was wondering the same thing, so I did a bit of digging.

Looks like cell companies retain the metadata (time, location, sender & recipient) for a lot longer than they keep the actual texts (and most don't keep that at all). With so much time passing between the kids' deaths (SEP 2019) and when warrants were served (JAN 2020?), they probably would not have been able to access the actual messages anymore.

The raccoon text was found specifically on TD's phone -- she must have still had it in her text history, while the rest of the texts back and forth from the co-conspirators would have probably been erased.

How Long Do Wireless Providers Keep Your Data?
Cell phone forensics

I would think that even deleted data would be able to be recovered, especially when you have the physical device.

 

[RickshawFan]

What has been the speculation here on why JJ’s mouth was duct taped?

I’m adding a couple to the ones already stated:

—to keep him from biting the perp
—they got freaked out by post-death body reactions, e.g. twitches, jaw dropping, etc.

 

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650886514543562752

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650886832736055296

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650887117793525761