ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #72

[cottonweaver]

She put pulmonary edema.

Dr. Christianson (sp.?) says that pulmonary edema is a finding, not a cause of death. One thing that could cause it is seizures, so Dr. C. carefully explained why he didn't think she had a seizure. Brenda Dye asked about seizures, and Chad gave a "That's the ticket!" type response. He suddenly recalled leg tremors.

MOO

So if Brenda Dye put P Edema as CoD that explains Gigi using all CAPS

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[Tortoise]

Hi Everyone,
If we haven't met before my name is Tricia and I am the owner of Websleuths.com
Thank you for coming to Websleuths to continue the discussion of the Daybell/Vallow murder trial.
I really need your help. I am so confused I feel like my head is going to explode. I have several questions I am trying to answer.
If someone can link to any timelines already put together that would help.
Sept 8th is when Tylee was killed and Alex phone was pinging between his and Lori's apartment correct?.
Then Sept.9 is when they buried Tylee on Chad's property right?
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Hey Tricia

you could use this timeline for September 2019 I made after Chad's preliminary hearing, but I haven't cross-referenced it to the data that is coming out in Lori's trial.

ID - Joshua Vallow & Tylee Ryan, Rexburg, Sept 2019 TIMELINE ONLY - *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[Nikynoo]

@PrettyLiesAlibi
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Did a diagram to give you an idea of where the bruising was. Not perfect but you get the idea #lorivallow
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[BUF]

dbm - Nikynoo and I posted the same thing/same time - well tried to delete

 

[Ruminations]

Possibly. But, there's that saying, "a picture is worth a thousand words (or blue pen marks )"

Oh I agree. If I were in the jury, I'd want both!

MOO

 

[Nikynoo]

Yeah- defense did bring that up- but they were cynically trying to imply her time if death was more like 5:00AM or whenever she "fell."

They were trying to remove the time of death from communication flurries.

MOO

Ahh, I see. That argument went straight over my head!

 

[Nikynoo]

dbm - Nikynoo and I posted the same thing/same time

I’m still scratching my head as to how this was done. Any ideas?

 

[Emi]

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[cottonweaver]

where's the neck dissection?
I was expecting to hear they'd done one because I'm familiar with it from other Domestic Violence cases on WS ( where they couldn't find external signs of strangulation but could internally)

or exams of the frenulum ( commonly damaged in suffocation)

 

[BUF]

I’m still scratching my head as to how this was done. Any ideas?

I think he may have straddled her first, then she started to wake and he held her down. Maybe putting a pillow over her face & held down with his knee??

 

[fred&edna]

I think he may have straddled her first, then she started to wake and he held her down. Maybe putting a pillow over her face & held down with his knee??

Was she held down by one person and smothered with an object by another?? Or, it's just one person doing both?

 

[cottonweaver]

@PrettyLiesAlibi
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Did a diagram to give you an idea of where the bruising was. Not perfect but you get the idea #lorivallow
@LawCrimeNetwork
View attachment 418651

I wonder how big each bruise is? All similar size or as per dots, a few smaller?

On that limited info, seems as if one person is holding her down by right arm, one person on that side of the bed and one person was on the left side of the bed but on top of her, possibly kneeling ( knee bone bruising ?) using their weight. That person has their hands free to do what? Use a bag again?


Just spit balling here but....

So where was Garth? Across the hall? Really?


ETA - I see we're all cross-posting similar reactions

The drawing matches her earlier tweets, from the pathologist's own diagram

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[Jolynna]

I think he may have straddled her first, then she started to wake and he held her down. Maybe putting a pillow over her face & held down with his knee??

Ever since it was published that Alex was in the area the night/morning Tammy was killed, my theory has been that she was smothered -- like with a pillow. It doesn't take two people to poison.

My own opinion.

 

[Love Never Fails]

just looking at satellite view of it
Parking lot is large and across the river is Idaho Falls Temple! Is the latter a coincidence? Good view of Moroni

ETA Going to look at the menu though. What kind of fast food do they do there

Hilton Garden Inns have inside restaurants. Expensive but not that good.

 

[BUF]

Was she held down by one person and smothered with an object by another?? Or, it's just one person doing both?

I think just Chad … you know the person she was married to for 28 years!

 

[Emi]

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[indicolite22]

Appreciate that this is minus the chest bruises cause Gigi can't see those but I wonder how big each bruise is? All similar size or as per dots, a few smaller?

On that limited info, seems as if one person is holding her down by right arm, one person on that side of the bed and one person was on the left side of the bed but on top of her, possibly kneeling ( knee bone bruising ?) using their weight. That person has their hands free to do what? Use a bag again?


Just spit balling here but....

So where was Garth? Across the hall? Really?


ETA - I see we're all cross-posting similar reactions

IMO Garth was at work and Alex was present for the murder.

 

[cottonweaver]

IMO Garth was at work and Alex was present for the murder.

yes looking like it now, from that diagram of the bruising.

BTW am surprised how short the direct was from State. Leaves a lot of questions lingering. State must want it to be that way.
eg he's says he's looked for tongue injuries and obviously hasn't found anything there, nor bitten lip type injuries. So what is the asphyxia technique? I appreciate he can't speculate but lots of jury must be wondering about the most likely technique
( Personally I'm assuming a bag again)

 

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I feel like this is once again a situation that requires more than one person. If you're holding someone down, you can't simultaneously strangle them or put a pillow over their face. And Tammy was in good shape.