ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #72

[indicolite22]

breakdown
vulnerable?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653490104412024832

Nate seems to have missed theses on Gibb:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653490529689272322

MG once also probably mistook having hot flashes for being translated.

 

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653495376543096833

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653495779724763136

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653495781578657792

 

[indicolite22]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653488935044276226

Blake argues that playing the podcast will likely open to the door to more evidence - specifically a prior husband of Lori Daybell's. --Nate Eaton

I'm not sure that opening the door to testimony about how Alex & Lori tried to kill Joe Ryan (3rd husband & Tylee's father) helps Lori.

However, I don't like that cans of worms and rabbit holes have been opened that might take jurors' attention away from Lori's evil conspiracies and deeds.

My opinion.

They are bringing in Lori's victimhood. The jury is supposed to feel sorry for her.

 

[cottonweaver]

MG once also probably mistook having hot flashes for being translated.

Yes IDK how literally to interpret ' breakdown' ( actual mental health crisis or something else?)

Maybe they were recruiting vulnerable people?

Who knows? Anyway this part reminds me of the claims that she was 'ordained' in temple by Lori as one of the gatherers and that MG remarked about the heat she was feeling while Lori laid her hands on her. ( Think that claim came from Zulema)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653490130311876608

 

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653496768188006400

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653496770805252096

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653497225912414208

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don’t like they are introducing these cult beliefs to the jury and public who may actually believe it for themselves and ignore the things Lori and Chad did in the name of their beliefs.

 

[cottonweaver]

I don’t like they are introducing these cult beliefs to the jury and public who may actually believe it for themselves and ignore the things Lori and Chad did in the name of their beliefs.

I was wondering whether it might actually put people off - those currently in the extremist, splinter groups.

I genuinely do not think that playing any of this will sway the jury from their horrific crimes

Anyway, Boyce is saying that it's state's fault for putting it in the indictment. IDK

 

[Ruminations]

Just to add that Lori Hellis says ( IDK if accurate or not) that L Blake & J Prior are the only two non LDS in the teams.
She didn't think Archibald & Thomas would be out to discredit LDS and a few other Idaho-based lawyers have said that A & T need to be able to work locally going forward ( Maintain a clientele on top of the PD work, after repping Lori V)

IDK what the strategy is - yes agreed, to make L a victim of a manipulator guru & show that others were drawn into his cult but also the Def seem to be attacking Chad a little now.
I wonder if there's been some further deterioration behind the scenes, between L & C?

I am inclined to disagree that there is a plot by the LDS church to influence the outcome of this trial. I don't think there have been excessive sealed documents in deference to the church.

I do not believe that the judge is LDS, but was raised in the church. I don't know about anyone else.

I think it is offensive to assume that church membership is going to have an impact on your being willing to do the bidding of "headquarters." If the church can influence- carrots and sticks and all- it's not like they would only sweeten/punish favors or disfavors only for members. AND it is hardly believable that every member woukd respond to the rewards and punishments in all the same way. They would be as varied as non- members.

Not giving LDS a total out for not revising things that can easily be and have often been twisted into fatal excuses. But I'm not giving any of the twisters an out for the murders. And I'm not calling those whose words coujd be twisted murderers.

Most of all, I don't hold every day community people who are LDS and don't murder responsible for either.

In addition, the victims are primarily LDS members themselves. Tylee, JJ and Tammy from birth! Charles supported the church and the good it could do in 100% excellent faith. LDS members are victims.

MOO

 

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653497230370934785

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653497389569945600

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653497720341147648

 

[cottonweaver]

I am inclined to disagree that there is a plot by the LDS church to influence the outcome of this trial. I don't think there have been excessive sealed documents in deference to the church.

I do not believe that the judge is LDS, but was raised in the church. I don't know about anyone else.

I think it is offensive to assume that church membership is going to have an impact on your being willing to do the bidding of "headquarters." If the church can influence- carrots and sticks and all- it's not like they would only sweeten/punish favors or disfavors only for members. AND it is hardly believable that every member woukd respond to the rewards and punishments in all the same way. They would be as varied as non- members.

Not giving LDS a total out for not revising things that can easily be and have often been twisted into fatal excuses. But I'm not giving any of the twisters an out for the murders. And I'm not calling those whose words coujd be twisted murderers.

Most of all, I don't hold every day community people who are LDS and don't murder responsible for either.

In addition, the victims are primarily LDS members themselves. Tylee, JJ and Tammy from birth! Charles supported the church and the good it could do in 100% excellent faith. LDS members are victims.

MOO

That wasn't what she was implying or saying
She said that the Defence weren't out to trash mainstream LDS, that they are LDS and they still have to work when they go back to their practise. ( TBC, as most of their clients are LDS, it's not in their interest)

 

[Ruminations]

At first I thought this was a recording of Lori's testimony at MG's house, which was also in 2018, but I'm not sure it was broadcast as a podcast. If ZP is also in it asking questions, was it recorded in front of an audience? The podcasts didn't have live audience, IIRC.

A bird, a dog and Zulema. That's the audience.

And Brother Gilbert and 12 jurors and 6 alternates.

I may have missed some.

MOO

 

[cottonweaver]

Jason Mow is the guy who encouraged Lori to make a complaint against Charles Vallow for theft ( Of her purse)
( It was in the released police interview. The one where the two cops know Jason and are very sympathetic to Lori. They knew of Jason)

 

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653497980060848129

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653498821635371010

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653505064731017216

 

[TigerLou]

To blur responsibility. Prior seemed to be going for the jugular of the LDS church. For his client, he wants to make the so called "cult" talk mainstream.

I'm not certain that the LDS church shouldn't shoulder a bit this. But I am quite certain that the rank and file of LDS believers are simply being good community members and could easily be offended by that defense. That explains Prior wanting out of Rexburg, but even in Boise everyone is or knows good people who are LDS. So I don't see how Prior's approach of "its not my client, it's your (or your friend's) church!" will work out.

Lori's team is okay with calling the belief system fringe. This makes Lori more a victim of cult- leader Chad.

But really- it's not relevant. If it's not Chad it's his church- still no one told him to kill. If it's not Lori, it's her cult leader, no one told her to be first deputy goddess. And if anyone told her to kill, which is possible, she knew better than to say, "okay, sweetie."

Additional responsible people are simply additional responsible people. They don't make the defendants less responsible.

MOO

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Edited to add: Might have to rethink this. Im not sure yet if this podcast kerfuffle supports this assertion or refutes it! What an exciting day in court.

It has also been heartbreaking because it slid Chad's children more in the victim column than I had realized. I hope I haven't been snarky about them.

MOO

One big giant LDS belief—personal accountability. It’s pretty simple actually. The belief that God gave us agency and expects us to choose good over evil. We are responsible for our own actions.

IMO Lori’s team can blame Chad all they want. LDS jurors have been taught their whole lives about agency and accountability. I don’t think they buy into it.

 

[KMouse]

I think Emma and her husband and child had moved in when Chad left for Loris/Hawaii. Could possibly had one of the boys staying there too. It must be hard living with people who you have lied to and also the small fact that he had killed their mother. I hope it drive him mad. All that could have been, and all that.

Don't forget the dead children buried in the back yard! Crowded my azz.

 

[cottonweaver]

This stuff is so familiar

preceding tweet: 'He talks about the struggling warriors in the Book Of Mormon. You have been called to the world. You have been listed to train the youth battalion. '

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653497408456921091

 

[Ruminations]

That wasn't what she was implying or saying
She said that the Defence weren't out to trash mainstream LDS, that they are LDS and they still have to work when they go back to their practise. ( TBC, as most of their clients are LDS, it's not in their interest)

Well, I doubt there will be people taking their doing their job defending their client personally.

Lori H might be worried. I doubt the defense attorneys are.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

Well, I doubt there will be people taking their doing their job defending their client personally.

Lori H might be worried. I doubt the defense attorneys are.

MOO

Interestingly, Lori's former attorney was ready to blame the Church in order to save his client. (IMO)

 

[LinasK]

If you are a mom as your name implies I bet we could find one on your hairs on your child or his or her clothing at almost any time.

Clothing- not duct tape on the bag outside of his body. Not so easily explainable.

 

[cottonweaver]

Well, I doubt there will be people taking their doing their job defending their client personally.

Lori H might be worried. I doubt the defense attorneys are.

MOO

You don't think LV is the most hated woman in the state right now and that some lawyers have concerns about defending infamous clients when there's so much press attention on a case?

IMO these guys aren't the type who jump on high profile case just so that they can write a book, make a name for themselves or cash-in.