ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #73

[Ruminations]

Melani, I believe.

This observation- about Lori believing Melani was the reincarnation of Mel's aunt - Lori's sister- who died in infancy just gave me a disturbing thought about Stacey. (Stacy? I don't recall. Should be Staci, lol.)

Tylee was said to be the reincarnation of Stacey.

Tylee was rated the second darkest of all their rated persons, IIRC.

Some people have been creeped out by Stacey's death, including first cousin Megan who accompanied Alex to check on her. They discovered Stacey in a coma and she never recovered. Megan's parents helped Alex and her arrange for hospice, etc.

Was Stacey whatever Lori called "dark" back then? To come back as Tylee?

It's so creepy!

MOO

 

[Gardenista]

Exclusive: Tammy Daybell's Aunt Has A Message for Chad

In an exclusive interview with Chanley Painter, Tammy Daybell's aunt told Chad Daybell, 'Do the right thing.'

www.courttv.com

 

[Nikynoo]

This observation- about Lori believing Melani was the reincarnation of Mel's aunt - Lori's sister- who died in infancy just gave me a disturbing thought about Stacey. (Stacy? I don't recall. Should be Staci, lol.)

Tylee was said to be the reincarnation of Stacey.

Tylee was rated the second darkest of all their rated persons, IIRC.

Some people have been creeped out by Stacey's death, including first cousin Megan who accompanied Alex to check on her. They discovered Stacey in a coma and she never recovered. Megan's parents helped Alex and her arrange for hospice, etc.

Was Stacey whatever Lori called "dark" back then? To come back as Tylee?

It's so creepy!

MOO

is reincarnation the same as probations? If so, it would have been mentioned in Chad's 'ratings'.

ETA info. So if probations and reincarnation is the same thing, then Tylee nor Melaniece can be reincarnations of Staci or Laura (?) as both have graduated to 4.1L, and according to Chad once you get to this level, they rarely switch sides.
Tylee is 4.1 dark, so to change to light would be rare. What is interesting is that JJ is cited here as 4.2L, which means that for him to turn dark would also be rare. Conclusion, it is just made up to suit their own needs, but we knew that anyway.

Source - Justin Lum FB Facebook

 

[Ruminations]

thanks. That is important background

What do you make of this ' He says 14 pages contain hearsay from other people who have not testified - Melani Pawlowski and others. He is asking the pages be removed. ' ( Nate's tweets)

My concern is that Mel P will not be recalled next week by the state. Can Def call her next week?

She might be recalled. She's not released.

I don't think defense will call her. Her inconsistencies will play worse if she is "crossed" by prosecutors than the other way around.

The culty friends and relatives are inconsistent because they are protecting themselves or in the process of deprogramming or whatever. But it does come across, even when the lies are exposed, that they are minimizing their own part in atrocities- the atrocities for which the defendant is standing trial. The lies and shame confirm in part that this was something they wish they were not connected to. When their lies are brought out it doesn't seem like they are lying to make the witness look bad. It makes it seem like they are trying to make themselves look good. Mainstream. Just being polite with the defendant.

If Melani were to come on first for the defense, she will be cross examined by the prosecution. When her inconsistencies are exposed, it will seem like she was trying to make Lori and herself look better.

MOO

 

[aafromaa]

Exclusive: Tammy Daybell's Aunt Has A Message for Chad

In an exclusive interview with Chanley Painter, Tammy Daybell's aunt told Chad Daybell, 'Do the right thing.'

www.courttv.com

I wish he would do the right thing for his kids sake and for the rest of the family and after this trial, I would think that he and his attorneys know that he doesn’t have a chance of a not guilty verdict. But I do not expect him to do the right thing. I expect him to blame AC and even LVD and say he was framed by them just as his daughter said after he was arrested. I expect him to go kicking and screaming that he’s innocent rather than admitting what he has done.

 

[Ruminations]

You and everyone else are quite welcome. I can't see those blue twitter links either....

It also preserves the contents- the tweets could be deleted. You are creating a document for the media thread.

Thanks so much!

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I wish he would do the right thing for his kids sake and for the rest of the family and after this trial, I would think that he and his attorneys know that he doesn’t have a chance of a not guilty verdict. But I do not expect him to do the right thing. I expect him to blame AC and even LVD and say he was framed by them just as his daughter said after he was arrested. I expect him to go kicking and screaming that he’s innocent rather than admitting what he has done.

He probably is fantasizing that one day the Anthony County jail will be as important to Mormons as Liberty Jail.

MOO

 

[cottonweaver]

This observation- about Lori believing Melani was the reincarnation of Mel's aunt - Lori's sister- who died in infancy just gave me a disturbing thought about Stacey. (Stacy? I don't recall. Should be Staci, lol.)

Tylee was said to be the reincarnation of Stacey.

Tylee was rated the second darkest of all their rated persons, IIRC.

Some people have been creeped out by Stacey's death, including first cousin Megan who accompanied Alex to check on her. They discovered Stacey in a coma and she never recovered. Megan's parents helped Alex and her arrange for hospice, etc.

Was Stacey whatever Lori called "dark" back then? To come back as Tylee?

It's so creepy!

MOO

wish I could remember some of the dates for when L was first believing in this, I picked up somewhere that this was pre Chad but am not sure

If it is right, where did she get it from? afaik no mainstream LDS has ever believed in reincarnation.
I recall Gigi saying she was a fan of TV vampire type drama. Did she connect with that kind of material because of the two deaths in the Cox family? ( lolly & stacey)
Some kind of unhealthy obsession which later becomes a convenient justification for murder? ( Such as when later, she professed to believe that JJ would be reincarnated as one of Colby's future children)

 

[cottonweaver]

is reincarnation the same as probations? If so, it would have been mentioned in Chad's 'ratings'.

ETA info. So if probations and reincarnation is the same thing, then Tylee nor Melaniece can be reincarnations of Staci or Laura (?) as both have graduated to 4.1L, and according to Chad once you get to this level, they rarely switch sides.
Tylee is 4.1 dark, so to change to light would be rare. What is interesting is that JJ is cited here as 4.2L, which means that for him to turn dark would also be rare. Conclusion, it is just made up to suit their own needs, but we knew that anyway.

Source - Justin Lum FB Facebook

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Flexi-cult!

 

[minazoe]

Flexi-cult!

you coined it! perfection! mOO

 

[cottonweaver]

He probably is fantasizing that one day the Anthony County jail will be as important to Mormons as Liberty Jail.

MOO

I have a bad feeling that he's going to claim persecution like historic figures. go to trial , get convicted. DP takes forever. In the meantime he releases more of his nonsense via groupies who visit him while he's incarcerated

 

[cottonweaver]

you coined it! perfection! mOO

Needs A TM ( trademark) because terms and conditions apply for C & Lori
- they do credit checks
- members' families must have LI policies to join the Flexi-cult
etc etc

 

[Nikynoo]

Needs A TM ( trademark) because terms and conditions apply for C & Lori
- they do credit checks
- members' families must have LI policies to join the Flexi-cult
etc etc

what came to mind earlier, was that Lori was going to be the next life insurance victim and Chads true love is AB I'm overthinking

 

[DS2021]

From the evidence released so far, in your own opinion, what are the chances of Lori getting convicted of the 3 murders?

 

[Nikynoo]

From the evidence released so far, in your own opinion, what are the chances of Lori getting convicted of the 3 murders?

100%.
Guilty of everything.

 

[indicolite22]

Quite possibly, something 'kicked off' when they returned from Yellowstone between Chad and Tylee, he has told a witnss that Tylee didn't like him. Anything is possible I suppose.

Do we know if Chad was even in contact with Tylee that Sunday they were in Yellowstone. Per his google search he was planning a suspicious bonfire when they were still at Yellowstone.
I never expected Tylee to like Chad. Reportedly she didn't like MG either.

 

[Ruminations]

wish I could remember some of the dates for when L was first believing in this, I picked up somewhere that this was pre Chad but am not sure

If it is right, where did she get it from? afaik no mainstream LDS has ever believed in reincarnation.
I recall Gigi saying she was a fan of TV vampire type drama. Did she connect with that kind of material because of the two deaths in the Cox family? ( lolly & stacey)
Some kind of unhealthy obsession which later becomes a convenient justification for murder? ( Such as when later, she professed to believe that JJ would be reincarnated as one of Colby's future children)

Lori read a books by other apostate authors before starting Chads. Like Julie Rowe. Michael Stroud.

And she apparently loved Twilight.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

What stuff?

She can't go to ti Utah. They are planking (sic) some kind of intervention but want Mel out of the way so I'm left alone. I need to come get the stuff at your house tomorrow and secure it. Lots to do.

https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Weapons?

 

[Jolynna]

Do we know if Chad was even in contact with Tylee that Sunday they were in Yellowstone. Per his google search he was planning a suspicious bonfire when they were still at Yellowstone.
I never expected Tylee to like Chad. Reportedly she didn't like MG either.

Besides planning his bonfire, Chad was busy on September 8th signing paperwork to increase Tammy life insurance policy.

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[formerlyme]

From the evidence released so far, in your own opinion, what are the chances of Lori getting convicted of the 3 murders?

I am feeling much better than I was say last week, at least on conspiracy.