GUILTY ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #76

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  • #701
And which one was suicide? I can't believe she though she could fool even one person with her speech, let alone the court.

Good question. Not sure that someone can tape himself, shoot himself, dismember herself, or pin herself down.

My money is on Alex. Her dead co-defendant probably has been by to tell her how happy and busy he is.

MOO
 
  • #702
Larry about Lori's little speech:
"I'm going to give yall the coon-a$$ version: that was a bucket of 🤬🤬🤬🤬"

I LOVE Larry!
 
  • #703
You’re right, but imoo there’s much more to pull from including some that transpired today.

State (allegedly) allowing victim impact statements submitted to ore-sentence report containing statements outside the scope of what the statute allows/not filing any Objections except for the 2 smaller items they brought up today, the Court admitting to using some “aggravating factors” that quite literally are not written into the aggravating factors within the applicable Statutes, and that’s all before you include things like mentioning pending charges, where one is presumed innocent, in another jurisdiction and state, as part of the State’s sentencing recommendation. Yes it’s true she’s facing serious charges elsewhere, but it’s also true that those should likely not come up whatsoever in their recommendation because they aren’t “this” case.

All of those things - individually or collectively - I’ve seen included on other appeals. Mrs. Smith for the prosecution has had a homicide conviction overturned because she made statements that were similar to what Mr. Wood said today (where he said that the community would be shown that the lives lost have “no value” if the sentence was “anything less” than their recommendation. Smith made statements like that in her previous case and higher Court found that to be very inappropriate and not based in the law )

Sorry to sound like a Debbie Downer here, I just would hate to see anything handed to them for inclusion on an appeal so freely by the State, and this is long before they even could get to including things that happened at trial. Thankfully she’s going away for life, but even unsuccessful appeals do not = in my opinion, any less pain and suffering for the victims’ families.
You make very valid points - lets see where this goes!
 
  • #704
Well, according to Lori, Jesus "understands" her. [Jesus is just saying: "Oh, that's just Lori," by way of explaining away the murders she committed (or conspired to commit).]
It feels like Chad is still whispering into her ear. She never changed her defense tactic and continues to protect him, although bringing up accidents and suicide was ridiculous.
 
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Listening to her defense attorney and I think he's insane as well. I know he has a job to do, but that speech he gave about hope and blah blah blah is ridiculous and makes zero sense. Sounds like Lori wrote it. Extremely disrespectful to the victims he talked so much about to talk about providing hope in the sentencing and then talking about giving her 20 years. Hope for the victims is her never getting out of prison.
It was insulting to hear that Lori was misunderstood and that he knew the real Lori who was a good person and could rehabilitate other inmates.
 
  • #707
I'm still trying to figure out what people in heaven are so "busy" doing. She mentioned several times how busy her victims are. And what is the job that JJ supposedly has?
 
  • #708
I noticed Lori didn't mention Alex being busy, happy and frolicking in heaven.
 
  • #709
My last unpopular opinion for the day - I don’t think her statement was an attempt to fool anyone. I think she is deeply affected by major mental health issues and believes some or all of what she is saying. She wasn’t trying to fool anyone, if she genuinely believes what she said then she thinks all of this Court stuff is against her from the start, because no one there understands her.

I think if she tried to fool the Court it would be with some fake remorse or responsibility but for whatever reason I keep leaning more towards she believes what she is saying. She sounded like some of the Sov Cit’s who complain of lack of jurisdiction and how everyone around them doesn’t know the law, or in Lori’s case “the truth”. And I don’t take her lack of cooperation with the PSI investigator to be just an act of defiance, she could genuinely believe that it doesn’t matter because they don’t know or understand “her truth”.

Sadly, on top of her actions, her words will still be seen just as heartless, insulting, and continuing to inflict pain on the family of all the victims. If it’s been this long now and she is still spewing this as “her truth”, I’d be cautiously optimistic for her to see the truth as the prosecution, the Court, victims’ family and the world someday.

I do agree with the State, the tragedy and the effects of murders never end. Okay, I promise I’m done with my unpopular opinions here today. Thanks for letting me speak here
 
  • #710
I think she believes every word she says.

Including that only she among mortals knows things gods and angels know.

MOO
IMO she totally made up that story about being on her death bed when she gave birth to Tylee and being visited by her dead sister Stacy. She made up so many things in this case, all just to manipulate people. She's not very original either.
 
  • #711
I'm still trying to figure out what people in heaven are so "busy" doing. She mentioned several times how busy her victims are. And what is the job that JJ supposedly has?
J.J.? Oh, he's busy being a tall person.
 
  • #712
I noticed Lori didn't mention Alex being busy, happy and frolicking in heaven.
Alex is probably roiling in his urn, happy knowing that he escaped "unscathed." (Sort of . . . )
 
  • #713
I'm going to watch her statement 2 more times. The first because I missed a bunch of due to my derisive laughter and disgust and the second time because I want to watch the reactions of the judge, the state and the gallery.

Then I'm going to watch the judges ruling again because it was a thing of beauty.
 
  • #714
J.J.? Oh, he's busy being a tall person.
So you grow in heaven? So you age then. What happens when you die of old age? Go to another heaven?
 
  • #715
Hmm, when teens commit suicide, the parents take them to the ER, and have a memorial. A mother doesn't throw her belongings in a storage room, and have the body mutilated. Same as when children take excess medication, ER, and if death occurs, there is a burial, not a bizarre wrap up in duct tape and buried in a backyard animal graveyard.

Just saying. This was probably the "rest of the story" that LVD made up for her defense. But she never testified in her trial.

If everything was perfectly fine, why not tell LEO the story 3 years ago?!
 
  • #716
After blaming the deaths on accident or suicide, I don't believe she believes in her religious BS. It's just a pretense for not being held accountable. She knows that there were no accidents and nobody killed themselves, except perhaps Alex, but he wasn't even mentioned. Also, claiming that Tylee hid her physical pain from the world was just another manipulation. It appeared as if she had to die to be relieved from her suffering. If Lori just had a religious delusion, she wouldn't have to lie about everything.
 
  • #717
Good for Judge Boyce. Do we think LVD is going to appeal? Would her legal team hang in there for that, or would she have to get a court-appointed attorney?
Judge Boyce asked Lori if she felt that her attorneys provided a good representation and she answered back, yes.
 
  • #718
She thinks God et. al. are fine with her actions,

MOO
SBM. Or she thinks that by claiming that perhaps she won't have to be held accountable to the world. There's way too much lying about factual things accompanying her religious claims.
 
  • #719
I think she thinks she is very smart, I anticipate that once all the court stuff (including AZ) is said and done she will be talking to the network shows, trying to get "her" story out there. She will continually try to get attention in my opinion.
 
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