GUILTY ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #76

[Teche]

I noticed the judge periodically
writing down something as LVD spoke…

In my imagination it was :
B-U-R-N in ————
B-U-R-N in ————
B-U-R-N …….
B-U-R-N …
B…
…


JMO

Best post of the day.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685986144767635456

I like to think that MY Jesus was opening up the heavens with this sunrise to send Lori a clear message..... NOT ON MY WATCH!!
Her words literally made me want to hurl. To outright lie and try to say these were accidents, suicides or anything but cold , evil, calculated MURDERS is beyond insane.

I was taught from a young age that Jesus doesn't like ugly, and in my heart I know he helped guide Judge Boyce through this sentencing today.

I can only hope that JJ, Tylee, Tammy, and Charles are resting in heaven, and that hell awaits these evil twisted murderers.

 

[887sMtreme]

Judge Boyce asked Lori if she felt that her attorneys provided a good representation and she answered back, yes.

Boyce asked her that as a hedge against a successful appeal, along with all the other carefully crafted things he said. Well done! My question was would her current legal team be obliged to represent her if she decided to appeal or are they done with her now?

 

[887sMtreme]

Well, I don't think she meant "engaged-engaged" like boy-girl; I think she meant "busy-engaged".

You know, like busywork.

...do other devout LDS find her complete and utter lack of any details accompanying this doctrinally sound; or is she just blurting nonsense?? I mean, she makes everyone sound like they're cars in Thomas's train, with about the same level of intellectual maturity...

maybe the LDS devout aren't supposed to think about what this ("being busy") looks like in reality; but Lori's interpretation isn't doing it any favors either way.

I am not LDS, but it’s my understanding that under Church doctrine, there is indeed work for the faithful to do in heaven; i.e., God’s work. It think Lori was pulling that chain.

 

[Luna20]

Yeah - like they were happy & fine when resting in Chad’s b/yard.

Moo

Good point, that made me think about her saying “accidents happen” and “suicide”. Putting tape on an innocent child’s mouth is no accident nor would it be a chosen way to die.

 

[sassyblue]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686047673475051520

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There's the condescending sneer we know well. She's such a.........

 

[887sMtreme]

I watched Court TV but I couldn't see the judge’s reaction in any of the proceedings.

I also watched it on Court TV, but not live. It was split-screen and you could see Judge Boyce‘s face clearly through Lori’s speech. His control was impressive. I think he’s been careful to plug any holes that might allow an appeal to succeed, and his seeming as objective as possible would be part of that.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686183314674298880

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686154232104435717

 

[iamshadow21]

Each and every one of the families are so eloquent; and giving it their all.

LDS learn pretty young how to do public speaking, in my own personal experience.

 

[sassyblue]

I made several appointments weeks ago not realizing they were for the day of the Wicked Witch of the West's judgement day.

So I've only caught small parts of today so far and that was mostly by listening while driving and I intend to watch it from start to finish in just a few minutes.

But earlier this afternoon I tried to begin the after the break part and chose Recovery Addicts channel and to my utter delight he added music to the Defense's HOPE, LOVE and PEACE speech. I couldn't even finish watching it because I was laughing too hard. I highly recommend that channel for any rewatching that anyone might want to do. He also zoomed in so the witch's face can be seen more clearly.

 

[longtimereader]

Having Lori lead and influence other inmates is dangerous and serious issue but are there any Arrested Developmant fans that thought of this? Nonfans, the father George Sr gets sent to jail. He put part of his shoe on his head to make a yarmulke and quoted fake scripture to gain followers. Funny when it was joke in a tv show.

 

[mickey2942]

What is interesting to me, is that LVD has had a considerable amount of time, in her jail cell, to read and study scripture. I am surprised that she did not make a comparison to her faith and Abraham's faith, Genesis 22:1. Tested as faith in God.

So much for LVD and scripture studying. That would have almost been a convincing reason for her religious beliefs and possibly mental status. Sigh. LVD missed it, because of her own narcissism and narrative, she fails to actually want to take any responsibility for her role in the death of Tylee and JJ. Zero.

 

[Tortoise]

Sorry to pry but I am very interested in the bolded part, as I’ve read more than a few people say something similar.

Just curious, does this mean that you think she successfully fooled multiple doctors & mental health professionals over a prolonged period of time? That’s something I’ve always gone back and forth on, and I’m still not sure what to think of it.

I guess that my difficulty is feeling that someone who is trying to outsmart and manipulate those around them, that they would try and act and say things in ways that would potentially benefit themselves…& I’m not sure how anything she said did anything to help/benefit her when it came to her sentencing today. That’s lead me to lean more towards her believing some of the stuff she said. I also think she could be delusional and still also willingly and knowingly lie to others, for whatever that’s worth, but just my 2cents there.

Yes I do think she fooled multiple health professionals. You've only got to look at her mental health 'hold' when Charles reported her telling him she was a god and he was dead and possessed, when she stole all his money and hid his stuff, and she was released after a few hours. She told everyone who she didn't want to know about her lies about zombies, people who would call her out if they heard her BS, that he was cheating. She knows who to target, who will enable her.

I've followed a lot of trials with competing psychiatric evaluations from defense and prosecution. John Jonchuck and more recently Taylor Schabusiness are two I've watched. Both were found to be malingering. The state had an eminent psychiatric expert, Dr Michael Welner, lined up for LVD if this was going to be a mental health defense, and that is when she was miraculously found to be competent to stand trial.

He said - ""the available evidence demonstrates LVD's contrived use of religion to control and direct others [...] LVD's involvement in multiple homicides reflects the influence of criminal deviance and personality, such as callus behavior and attitudes, rather than religious directive [...] LVD's involvement in multiple homicides reflects the influence of criminal deviance and personality rather than the influence of major psychiatric illness [...] The evidence demonstrates that the dynamic of Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow was one in which both manipulated each other [...]" (see post 47, page 3, thread #70)

I think LVD is very skilled in manipulating others to believe her and it's to cover who she really is - a malignant and dangerous narcissist who destroys the lives of others when she is about to be exposed for what she is. She just found a different vehicle, the bible and Jesus, to hide in this time, the ultimate manipulation of people around her, a specially selected group of people who will be more likely to believe her, because there is no justification for murder. Even to the extent of denying all her rubbish about zombies, and transforming it into the most outrageous claims of suicide and accident, to hide her true grandiose and psychopathic nature, which is to destroy anyone and everyone she no longer needs without remorse.

MOO

 

[Snail-Overlord]

Snipped for focus.

As the judge mentions, LVD in FACT sold JJ's service dog. It was not a potential plan, but acted upon. And FWIW a "service dog" is a medical necessity and specially trained, not an emotional support dog (although they can coincidentally be that, too, even though that's not their primary function).

Exactly – a service dog is technically considered medical equipment. It’s like selling a wheelchair or a hearing aid

 

[fred&edna]

What is interesting to me, is that LVD has had a considerable amount of time, in her jail cell, to read and study scripture. I am surprised that she did not make a comparison to her faith and Abraham's faith, Genesis 22:1. Tested as faith in God.

So much for LVD and scripture studying. That would have almost been a convincing reason for her religious beliefs and possibly mental status. Sigh. LVD missed it, because of her own narcissism and narrative, she fails to actually want to take any responsibility for her role in the death of Tylee and JJ. Zero.

I'm no Biblical scholar but I actually had the same thought! Abraham's sacrifice.

 

[nyvictoria]

Or Charles.

Honestly, why did she not plead guilty and accept capital punishment when it was still on the table, so that she could get her wish. All she knows is manipulation and cowardice. She is despicable.

I loved Judge Boyce's words to her, and I also appreciated JC's (her mother's) words submitted to the PSI.

JMO

I agree and her words convinced me that it was all manipulation. If she truly believed her victims were all happy and frolicking in heaven, she want to join them.

She is vile.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm no Biblical scholar but I actually had the same thought! Abraham's sacrifice.

She couldn't go there because Abraham didn't actually kill his child.

If she is so spiritual and is so close to Jesus, you'd expect she'd offer some comfort to the victims left in pain from her actions, some expression of regret at minimum. But, nope.

jmo

 

[ilovewings]

I agree and her words convinced me that it was all manipulation. If she truly believed her victims were all happy and frolicking in heaven, she want to join them.

She is vile.

She is vile-- there are people who would rather believe she is insane, rather than the manipulating cold-blooded killer that she is. She did not just murder her children, but she tortured them to death.

 

[MTW2011]

She is vile-- there are people who would rather believe she is insane, rather than the manipulating cold-blooded killer that she is. She did not just murder her children, but she tortured them to death.

unfortunately, I think some of the terms like “insane” and “incompetent” and “crazy” are thrown around so much that their actual meaning gets a bit lost.

for myself, in believing it would be a bit difficult to successfully fool multiple doctors over a prolonged period of time, it is not that I would “rather” believe she is “insane”. I don’t believe she’s insane. I bring Jo the distinction as I don’t want to be grouped into something where it seems like I believe she should get away consequence free or something - because I don’t believe that.

But I also think one could suffer from severe mental health issues AND also be a manipulative person. I don’t think it is always one or the other. When her sister spoke after the sentencing and she mentioned her Delusional Disorder, plus the Court mentioning the most recent diagnosis containing that, I put some credence into those two findings but you and others could be right in that she’s lying / faking. It’s just not an all or nothing type equation to me. JMO though.