Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #51

[Love Never Fails]

I hope so. I just sat through the testimony of Ray Hermosillo again. The amount of duct tape used, must hold some evidence. IMO, I think it more likely that thi was the work of Lori and not Alex. I am also thinking that JJ was killed during the night. I do not think he was killed whilst in the care of Alex. My reasoning, why would you use that amount of duct tape (especially across the face) on a dead body?

Yeah, she is so evil. I would be afraid to be alone around her!

 

[Diddian]

Oh I believe the DA will have more than enough evidence for convictions for both of them for murder, regardless of what Alex did or didn’t do. I wonder how Lori’s mom will view having Lori blame her son?

I am so curious about what Zulema and MP are going to do now, stay silent or tell what they know? I cannot imagine anyone covering for these two killers, unless they were also involved.

Back to the evidence, I believe the digital trial will convict them but also the duct tape. They will know where it was purchased and who bought it. Then there might be finger prints, even one fingerprint could get a conviction. Just hope it belongs to Lori or Chad.

I'm rooting (ha!) for some strands of chemical-blonde hair.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Well, Mr Wood needs to up his game then. Or employ a trial strategist. Is there a tool that can be used to see what cases each attorney has tried?

I don’t know. There were posters who kept up with past cases for Juan Martinez’s convictions during the Jodi Arias trial. He was the DA and he was amazing.

I was hoping the DA was playing dumb since it was a preliminary or maybe he was too sure of himself since he knows how much evidence he now has. Either way, I agree with you. He did not come across very well spoken or convincing.

 

[JolietJake]

Oh I believe the DA will have more than enough evidence for convictions for both of them for murder, regardless of what Alex did or didn’t do. I wonder how Lori’s mom will view having Lori blame her son?

I am so curious about what Zulema and MP are going to do now, stay silent or tell what they know? I cannot imagine anyone covering for these two killers, unless they were also involved.

Back to the evidence, I believe the digital trial will convict them but also the duct tape. They will know where it was purchased and who bought it. Then there might be finger prints, even one fingerprint could get a conviction. Just hope it belongs to Lori or Chad.

Agreed all the way. I'd be surprised if there isn't prints, fibers, hair etc on the duct tape. When I followed the Sievers case, it took LE a long time to put all the phone records, surveilance camera evidence together to make a rock solid case.
Between any other digital along with physical evidence with all the perps and victims, in this case, it may take a while longer for charges to come. Add the CV's, TD's, and perhaps even AxC's deaths to the mix and there's just that much more to put together.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I'm rooting (ha!) for some strands of chemical-blonde hair.

Oh. Good one!

 

[Love Never Fails]

Agreed all the way. I'd be surprised if there isn't prints, fibers, hair etc on the duct tape. When I followed the Sievers case, it took LE a long time to put all the phone records, surveilance camera evidence together to make a rock solid case.
Between any other digital along with physical evidence with all the perps and victims, in this case, it may take a while longer for charges to come. Add the CV's, TD's, and perhaps even AxC's deaths to the mix and there's just that much more to put together.

True. And they crossed State lines so many times. Hoping the FBI ties it all together.

 

[wnk]

It sure will be interesting to see what Prior is going to come up with. I think Prior will go with the scattergun approach and try to confuse the jury.

I think Prior is going to have to take the "confuse 'em" tact, because there really isn't any alternate narrative he can present (in which CD is completely innocent and was ignorant of the bodies in his yard) that makes any sort of sense.

 

[Onsdag]

A question for those who watched DW testify at the prelim. Notice how Prior thanks DW for his testimony and right after that CD nods--as if he approved of that testimony.

What could that be about? CD just acting like he's in control when he's not?

Or, did he really approve of DW's testimony, and, if so, why? I don't want to jump down a rabbit hole here, but how "into" the CD belief system was/is DW?

Before the hearing, having never seen or heard DW personally, I had a very different mental image of him. From things MG intimated about him he seemed to be the intelligent and very well reasoned type, able to convince her that she had been manipulated and deceived by Chad and Lori, point out scriptures that refuted their teachings, and convince her that she needed to go to the police with what she knew.

However, during his testimony I saw a completely different person. He seemed rather naive, unknowing and inexperienced with manipulation and deception (e.g. JP seemed to be taking advantage of him and carefully manipulating him to get the testimony he wanted), and rather child-like. He also seemed to struggle with understanding what was said or being asked of him. It was clear he had a hearing impairment, and I'm certain that had an influence, but it also seemed like it went beyond that, as though he was also struggling with somewhat diminished mental faculties.

Let me be clear, I don't say any of this to be mean or judgemental, just that he came across as having some challenges he is dealing with. I say this because I believe Chad also saw his weaknesses and tried to take advantage of them himself. I don't know how much or to what extent, but he had been pulled in to this group to some degree and Chad had at least tried to convince him to buy the property nearby. I believe Chad is still trying to exercise an influence over him. At the beginning of JP's cross examination you can see Chad look at DW and give a couple of slight nods of the head, as if encouraging him. Later, when JP asks if there are three bedrooms in Lori's townhome, you again see Chad look up at DW, smile, and give a barely perceptible nod or two, whereupon DW answers "yes" and Chad looks down again. A bit later and JP asks DW if he is aware of Chad's writings, and Chad again makes eye contact with him and nods, DW asks JP to repeat the question and as he does so Chad breaks eye contact to look downward and tilts his head upward in an apparent look of grandiose piety. And then at the end when JP thanked him Chad again looked at DW and nodded his head vigorously in approval.

I don't know if it's all some kind of coaching, influencing effort, manipulation, attempt at befriending him like "You did good and I'm on your side" type of thing, or what, but it did strike me as noteworthy as I can't recall observing Chad doing the like with any other witnesses. JMO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think Prior is going to have to take the "confuse 'em" tact, because there really isn't any alternate narrative he can present (in which CD is completely innocent and was ignorant of the bodies in his yard) that makes any sort of sense.

I think the defense attorneys have no choice but to ask for a deal. I think the DA has no choice but to REFUSE. These were just children.

I am so anxious to find out more about Tammy.

I have watched some videos from Linda at Its a Crime on youtube. And she is following the Charles Vallow murder very well. IMO, LE really botched that case. I think Lori knew some of the LE. That could be why she chose to rent that very house and lure Charles there from Texas. What a witch she is.

 

[lonetraveler]

YES!!!!
I have believed from day One that there is something fishy about AxC's death.
I don't care what the autopsy report shows--something is missing or has been overlooked, IMO

I totally agree. I have posted earlier that a second, independent autopsy should be conducted by a different medical examiner. If this isn't done, then IMO, investigators have totally dropped the ball. I also think the there should be an investigation done on why an autopsy was waived on Tammy Daybell.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Before the hearing, having never seen or heard DW personally, I had a very different mental image of him. From things MG intimated about him he seemed to be the intelligent and very well reasoned type, able to convince her that she had been manipulated and deceived by Chad and Lori, point out scriptures that refuted their teachings, and convince her that she needed to go to the police with what she knew.

However, during his testimony I saw a completely different person. He seemed rather naive, unknowing and inexperienced with manipulation and deception (e.g. JP seemed to be taking advantage of him and carefully manipulating him to get the testimony he wanted), and rather child-like. He also seemed to struggle with understanding what was said or being asked of him. It was clear he had a hearing impairment, and I'm certain that had an influence, but it also seemed like it went beyond that, as though he was also struggling with somewhat diminished mental faculties.

Let me be clear, I don't say any of this to be mean or judgemental, just that he came across as having some challenges he is dealing with. I say this because I believe Chad also saw his weaknesses and tried to take advantage of them himself. I don't know how much or to what extent, but he had been pulled in to this group to some degree and Chad had at least tried to convince him to buy the property nearby. I believe Chad is still trying to exercise an influence over him. At the beginning of JP's cross examination you can see Chad look at DW and give a couple of slight nods of the head, as if encouraging him. Later, when JP asks if there are three bedrooms in Lori's townhome, you again see Chad look up at DW, smile, and give a barely perceptible nod or two, whereupon DW answers "yes" and Chad looks down again. A bit later and JP asks DW if he is aware of Chad's writings, and Chad again makes eye contact with him and nods, DW asks JP to repeat the question and as he does so Chad breaks eye contact to look downward and tilts his head upward in an apparent look of grandiose piety. And then at the end when JP thanked him Chad again looked at DW and nodded his head vigorously in approval.

I don't know if it's all some kind of coaching, influencing effort, manipulation, attempt at befriending him like "You did good and I'm on your side" type of thing, or what, but it did strike me as noteworthy as I can't recall observing Chad doing the like with any other witnesses. JMO.

I agree and I have noticed several others caught that too. So just how involved was MG?

 

[Nikynoo]

I think Prior is going to have to take the "confuse 'em" tact, because there really isn't any alternate narrative he can present (in which CD is completely innocent and was ignorant of the bodies in his yard) that makes any sort of sense.

Racoons several

 

[Onsdag]

Warning-graphic
The first fire in Chad's firepit that I have seen reported was after Tammy's death, which was over 40 days after Tylee was killed. There were more fires this spring. Chad's children would probably know what was burned on those occasions. I find it difficult to believe that Tylee's remains would be dug up and burned again. Chad would have more explaining to do - he would need multiple raccoons.

Chad texted Tammy that day saying he had started a fire to burn the "limb debris" and while doing so he shot and buried a raccoon in the pet cemetery. This is the first reported instance of a fire in the fire pit and it comes from Chad himself. Now why in the world would he feel the need to report to his wife about burning a fire in the fire pit that morning unless there would be evidence of an actual fire? MOO.

 

[mommacass]

Have there been any public records for the autopsy for CV? Thank you.

 

[Nikynoo]

Before the hearing, having never seen or heard DW personally, I had a very different mental image of him. From things MG intimated about him he seemed to be the intelligent and very well reasoned type, able to convince her that she had been manipulated and deceived by Chad and Lori, point out scriptures that refuted their teachings, and convince her that she needed to go to the police with what she knew.

However, during his testimony I saw a completely different person. He seemed rather naive, unknowing and inexperienced with manipulation and deception (e.g. JP seemed to be taking advantage of him and carefully manipulating him to get the testimony he wanted), and rather child-like. He also seemed to struggle with understanding what was said or being asked of him. It was clear he had a hearing impairment, and I'm certain that had an influence, but it also seemed like it went beyond that, as though he was also struggling with somewhat diminished mental faculties.

Let me be clear, I don't say any of this to be mean or judgemental, just that he came across as having some challenges he is dealing with. I say this because I believe Chad also saw his weaknesses and tried to take advantage of them himself. I don't know how much or to what extent, but he had been pulled in to this group to some degree and Chad had at least tried to convince him to buy the property nearby. I believe Chad is still trying to exercise an influence over him. At the beginning of JP's cross examination you can see Chad look at DW and give a couple of slight nods of the head, as if encouraging him. Later, when JP asks if there are three bedrooms in Lori's townhome, you again see Chad look up at DW, smile, and give a barely perceptible nod or two, whereupon DW answers "yes" and Chad looks down again. A bit later and JP asks DW if he is aware of Chad's writings, and Chad again makes eye contact with him and nods, DW asks JP to repeat the question and as he does so Chad breaks eye contact to look downward and tilts his head upward in an apparent look of grandiose piety. And then at the end when JP thanked him Chad again looked at DW and nodded his head vigorously in approval.

I don't know if it's all some kind of coaching, influencing effort, manipulation, attempt at befriending him like "You did good and I'm on your side" type of thing, or what, but it did strike me as noteworthy as I can't recall observing Chad doing the like with any other witnesses. JMO.

DW was part of the dateline episodes. Unfortunately, I am not in the US so cannot watch them, but from the preview DW seems articulate, but that could be down to editing.Found Deceased - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #41

 

[Nikynoo]

Have there been any public records for the autopsy for CV? Thank you.

None that I can find.

 

[Forever Young]

It is possible, I suppose. The only thing that would make that possible IMO, is if Lori spun Chad tales and he believed them (or didn't want to believe them). All in all, I think it unlikely that 1. he would try this and 2. a jury would believe him.

Just my take on this, subject as always to change, but it appears to me that Lori has adopted the persona of an exalted being. When she goes into this mode she is very believable. We all heard that on MG's recording.

I might add that ability could be associated with disassociation, which in turn is a reaction to trauma, and a symptom of a personality disorder.

Could it be possible that when Tylee was killed, Chad thought that this would be a one time favor, and accepted whatever story he was told. Then it happens again, and he's already sucked in.

Then Tammy dies. How would he feel about this happening after telling several people that he saw in vision Tammy as dying at a young age? What kind of shock would he be in? Did he really believe himself to be a prophet? It's the way God works, after all.

And here's this Jezebelle withholding herself until marriage. She had him trapped like a rat in a box.

ETA: And THEN Alex dies!

 

[Forever Young]

I hope so. I just sat through the testimony of Ray Hermosillo again. The amount of duct tape used, must hold some evidence. IMO, I think it more likely that this was the work of Lori and not Alex. I am also thinking that JJ was killed during the night. I do not think he was killed whilst in the care of Alex. My reasoning, why would you use that amount of duct tape (especially across the face) on a dead body?

One thing I have thought of is to prevent rigor mortis, where the jaw draws open. But I do tend to think he was subdued and suffocated.

 

[Boxer]

If the DA is good, the case will be presented methodically, and Prior won’t be able to confuse anyone.

Idaho needs to foot the bill for several additional lawyers for DA for the case, not supplying a first class prosecution for Tylee and JJ sake would forever shame Idaho.
The coroner, a trained EMT who allowed Tammy unexplained death to slide into the past without required questions already suggests a deep corruption in their system.
MOO justice and Mormonism should not be incompatible.

 

[Pianoturtle]

How is a 160 lb body getting to the fire pit?

I’ve moved and lifted many heavy items through the years out of sheer stubbornness on my part. 160lbs is nothing for two men, especially if they had adrenaline pumping.