Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #52

[fuzzybutter]

BBM
In the sick thinking of this whole “zombie” business, Lori could actually have thought (or expected MG to believe) that the only way JJ could be safe was for the dark spirit residing in his physical body to be made powerless over him through his death. Remember, they believed the soul of a person who had “gone dark” — that is, had become a “zombie” — remained in a kind of limbo until the death of their body released their soul to go on to whatever divine afterlife they were due, to safety, in other words. “Had to be moved” could in that sense mean “had to be REmoved.”

Wow. Forcing myself to think that way even for the time it took me to write that made me a little bit crazy. Imagine how unhinged someone could become from living with that kind of thinking for years.

I go back and forth when thinking about why the kids were killed. One end of the spectrum is what you perfectly describe, that LVD has completely bought into Chad’s claptrap and truly believed they were Zombies. The other end of the spectrum is that she is a venal narcissist who killed the kids for couple of reasons including they were a pain in her butt and she wanted to get back at KW. Since life is messy I am guessing her motivations were combination of all sorts of reasons. I must admit I was dubious about the strength of her beliefs, until I heard her arguing scripture with MG.
She also seems to have some disordered thinking.
I also keep reminding myself that this whole thing has happened in under two years. I think LVD assumes she will get out the situation soon. I am guessing Chad is wondering why did I completely destroy my life for 5 weeks in Hawaii?

 

[Sleeplessinaz]

I am guessing Chad is wondering why did I completely destroy my life for 5 weeks in Hawaii?

THIS!

 

[BobLive]

Yes, she was an amazing liar because she practiced it for decades..

IMO, CD was an amazing liar because he practiced for decades, too.

 

[GRT]

I'm slightly bothered by MG's and DW's accounts of how Alex took him out and when he came back in with him, JJ appeared to be sleeping in his arms.

This has been bothering me for a while because MG never seems to have any emotion when she talks about the children or Alex. Her face is deadpan, maybe a tiny lip pressing at times. And didn't both MG and MP leave their children too? Or, am I wrong about that?

Another thing that eats at me is how CD seemed to nod in approval after DW's testimony at the prelim. Just JMOO, but could MG and DW have been "presplaining" in order to pin the murders on Alex? I mean, if LV says Alex took JJ that night and then brought him back and he was dead, MG's and DW's testimony will (kind of) back that up, since it appeared JJ was motionless when Alex brought him back.

MG seems sincere, but then again, she also seems to crave the spotlight, which seems unnatural for a person in her position.

One last thing -- Prior kept pressing MG about how close she and Lori were, "like sisters?" he asked more than once. Is it possible that (in the cult's grand plan) MG was to eventually be a "sister wife" along with Lori and marry CD, too? It appears (from MG's testimony) that she and DW slept in separate rooms at Lori's house, so maybe they weren't intimate.

All the above is just JMOO because this case is so complex and there are so many potential rabbit holes to fall into.

 

[indicolite22]

This August 13 article contains excerpts from an interview with Chad's neighbor. It is partly about the new memorial site that was set up on the neighbor's property after the original memorial had been removed. The neighbor also recounts the October 9 "paintball" attack on Tammy. Apparently neighbor's relatives helped in the search for the gunman.

New Salem memorial for J.J. and Tylee

 

[Tortoise]

This August 13 article contains excerpts from an interview with Chad's neighbor. It is partly about the new memorial site that was set up on the neighbor's property after the original memorial had been removed. The neighbor also recounts the October 9 "paintball" attack on Tammy. Apparently neighbor's relatives helped in the search for the gunman.

New Salem memorial for J.J. and Tylee

Thanks, I'll add it to the media thread.

 

[Tortoise]

I've been wondering why the police didn't ask Lori what she did with Charles' phone after he was shot, when they had her in the police station that morning. She still had it in her hand when he was shot, according to her. If she took it with her, knowing he was dead, that seems hugely relevant.

As an investigator I would have been thinking 'boy she really wanted that phone because she didn't give it back even though she wanted him to leave, he was chasing her with a bat to get it, and had to be shot over it. We need to maybe ask to see it.' She said he had been sending her threatening texts, so it seems a logical part of a self-defense investigation.

Perhaps it was in the redacted portions but I can't think why it would be redacted.

moo

 

[Love Never Fails]

THIS!

Well when you teach what he did, write what he did, flirt with other women, and have an affair with a looney female, that’s what he gets. Besides, it takes a very dark person to have a murderous heart. So it’s more than five weeks in Hawaii. He was a bad guy to begin with.

 

[salberg7]

I agree, they are limited on a defense. Frankly, I MO, it wouldn’t matter if they had video evidence of AC murdering the kids. They knew the kids were dead and buried in CD’s yard. They helped conceal their bodies and lied to everyone about them. In the case they are currently charged I don’t see them having any defense. Coupled with them being charged with conspiracy to conceal evidence (the kids bodies), I can’t see them getting off on the current charges if it goes to trial before other charges are brought.

I would not be surprised if they did take them to trial on these charges and then hit them with conspiracy to commit murder on a federal level with evidence of all the murders across the two states. In that scenario they would most likely be already convicted for conspiracy to conceal evidence in the kids death. AJMO

This sounds plausible imo. LE has time to gather sound evidence. It IS a complicated case and LE needs to assure they proceed with the goal of making sure these two stay behind bars for the rest of their lives.

 

[salberg7]

I've been wondering why the police didn't ask Lori what she did with Charles' phone after he was shot, when they had her in the police station that morning. She still had it in her hand when he was shot, according to her. If she took it with her, knowing he was dead, that seems hugely relevant.

As an investigator I would have been thinking 'boy she really wanted that phone because she didn't give it back even though she wanted him to leave, he was chasing her with a bat to get it, and had to be shot over it. We need to maybe ask to see it.' She said he had been sending her threatening texts, so it seems a logical part of a self-defense investigation.

Perhaps it was in the redacted portions but I can't think why it would be redacted.

moo

Yes Lori probably took the opportunity to enter texts of some sort to support the conspiracy during the time she was in the car with Charles’ phone when she asked Tylee to go in and get her purse from the closet and the time it took to take JJ to school.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Yes Lori probably took the opportunity to enter texts of some sort to support the conspiracy during the time she was in the car with Charles’ phone when she asked Tylee to go in and get her purse from the closet and the time it took to take JJ to school.

But wouldn't those supporting texts be time stamped? Showing they were created when Charles was dead on the floor? Jmo

 

[indicolite22]

I've been wondering why the police didn't ask Lori what she did with Charles' phone after he was shot, when they had her in the police station that morning. She still had it in her hand when he was shot, according to her. If she took it with her, knowing he was dead, that seems hugely relevant.

As an investigator I would have been thinking 'boy she really wanted that phone because she didn't give it back even though she wanted him to leave, he was chasing her with a bat to get it, and had to be shot over it. We need to maybe ask to see it.' She said he had been sending her threatening texts, so it seems a logical part of a self-defense investigation.

Perhaps it was in the redacted portions but I can't think why it would be redacted.

moo

I'm surprised that she admitted to instigating the incident in the first place. If you feel threatened by someone you don't go and provoke them. The police know at this point if Charles actually sent her threatening messages. Lori's mother and sister mentioned being aware of those too.

 

[indicolite22]

Well when you teach what he did, write what he did, flirt with other women, and have an affair with a looney female, that’s what he gets. Besides, it takes a very dark person to have a murderous heart. So it’s more than five weeks in Hawaii. He was a bad guy to begin with.

In one of his books he described how he enjoyed killing over 100 bees in one incident. That was quite telling to me. He did seem to have kept the overall image of a decent guy for a long time.

 

[Lusitana]

It's so crazy to me that these two went on such a crazy rampage, killing two children and who knows who else, just because these people didn't fit their whole idea of how their lives should be. If Tylee, JJ and Tammy were alive, Chad and Lori couldn't live this ideal romantic life together, just the two of them. Colby wasn't really an issue because he wasn't around and had his own family, he would become a problem when he started asking too many times about his siblings. Chad's children wouldn't really be an issue either, they are adults, have their own lives. So, those didn't have to die, but poor Tylee, JJ and Tammy didn't have a chance. I will be very surprised if Tammy wasn't murdered and did really die from natural causes.
These cases of someone killing their significant other and/or children just so they can start a whole new life with someone they have became crazy inflatuated with, always boggle my mind.

 

[Love Never Fails]

In one of his books he described how he enjoyed killing over 100 bees in one incident. That was quite telling to me. He did seem to have kept the overall image of a decent guy for a long time.

Really?? That tells me a lot! I’m scared of bees but I would never enjoy killing one of Gods creatures. Besides, my husband always reminds me that bees pollenate the flowers.

CD has a cruel heart.

Think about it. Two children are murdered and buried in your yard and you are dancing, partying and sleeping with their murderous mother in Hawaii. Yeah. The prosecutor will drive that point home.

 

[Love Never Fails]

It's so crazy to me that these two went on such a crazy rampage, killing two children and who knows who else, just because these people didn't fit their whole idea of how their lives should be. If Tylee, JJ and Tammy were alive, Chad and Lori couldn't live this ideal romantic life together, just the two of them. Colby wasn't really an issue because he wasn't around and had his own family, he would become a problem when he started asking too many times about his siblings. Chad's children wouldn't really be an issue either, they are adults, have their own lives. So, those didn't have to die, but poor Tylee, JJ and Tammy didn't have a chance. I will be very surprised if Tammy wasn't murdered and did really die from natural causes.
These cases of someone killing their significant other and/or children just so they can start a whole new life with someone they have became crazy inflatuated with, always boggle my mind.

When it comes right down to it, they are both a piece of slime no different from all the other murderers who just wanted things their way.

 

[salberg7]

But wouldn't those supporting texts be time stamped? Showing they were created when Charles was dead on the floor? Jmo

Yes they would have but I don’t remember Lori being there during the actual shooting. She was getting the kids ready and had left minutes before. She was in Charles’ rental car as well. Apparently she had the phone the entire day.
Who knows how long CV had been in the home waiting for JJ? She could have had an opportunity albeit only a few moments.

 

[Forever Young]

In one of his books he described how he enjoyed killing over 100 bees in one incident. That was quite telling to me. He did seem to have kept the overall image of a decent guy for a long time.

I heard that, too. He counted them, I believe 120, as he killed them, then heard a big voice saying "Stop that!"

He talks about how "his veil was torn" the first time. I think he said he was 15 when he jumped off the cliff into water. Then it happened again when the wave hit him, and his veil was torn even further.

So in other words, we are dealing with an individual who had a couple of head injuries.

The lady Tricia interviewed last night (Dr. V?) mentioned head injury twice in her conversation last night, as a "sometimes" cause of personality disorders.

He writes about not being able to return to playing baseball after the first injury, and mentions forgetting how to do simple multiplication in college.

Coincidentally, I can think of two highly acclaimed prophets who also suffered brain trauma - Edgar Cayce and Ellen G. White.

We know there is something "wrong" with both Chad and Lori. IMO, it is two different kinds of wrong that instead of being acknowledged as something wrong, it was "culturally" supported as something supernatural.

 

[indicolite22]

I heard that, too. He counted them, I believe 120, as he killed them, then heard a big voice saying "Stop that!"

He talks about how "his veil was torn" the first time. I think he said he was 15 when he jumped off the cliff into water. Then it happened again when the wave hit him, and his veil was torn even further.

So in other words, we are dealing with an individual who had a couple of head injuries.

The lady Tricia interviewed last night (Dr. V?) mentioned head injury twice in her conversation last night, as a "sometimes" cause of personality disorders.

He writes about not being able to return to playing baseball after the first injury, and mentions forgetting how to do simple multiplication in college.

Coincidentally, I can think of two highly acclaimed prophets who also suffered brain trauma - Edgar Cayce and Ellen G. White.

We know there is something "wrong" with both Chad and Lori. IMO, it is two different kinds of wrong that instead of being acknowledged as something wrong, it was "culturally" supported as something supernatural.

Chad published Suzanne Freeman's book about her NDE in 2005. She said in an interview several months ago that in their discussions he never mentioned having any such experience himself. IMO there's a chance that he made up his NDEs later.

ETA: I wonder when he started talking about them at home.

 

[Forever Young]

Chad published Suzanne Freeman's book about her NDE in 2005. She said in an interview several months ago that in their discussions he never mentioned having any such experience himself. IMO there's a chance that he made up his NDEs later.

I think he did start calling it that, but it sounds like there were witnesses around when the head injuries happened. People used to take head injuries a lot more lightly than what is now known about them.

I don't think it is too difficult to have dreams about global catastophes if that what you fill your head with, i. e. develop the skill.

It seems like he really couldn't handle anything that was very complicated. It has been noted that the books themselves sound like a 6th grade reading level.