Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Charles Vallow, 62, Oct 2019 *Arrests* #63

[nhmemorymaker]

Hard to know what was going on in her mind. It's been pointed out by others that, aside from Alex with his occasional trucking job, none of the people in this cult had salaried jobs that they had to go work at every day. They all aspired to very nice lifestyles but were dependent on other people, or their own schemes, to produce the cash. I believe the word is 'parasite'.

I do believe that Alex had a more solid track record with his trucking. I still cannot find out how he lost that job though....

 

[altojack]

Jeez, this case gets deeper and deeper and

I think I'll just go murder my neighbour - and if I succeed then it's obviously God's will.

Didn't a neighbour of Chad die, maybe after the digging and burning in chads garden that miserable month of September

 

[nhmemorymaker]

That rings a bell but it may have been Charles knew after the the tazer incident.

As i have stated earlier, and unfortunately have no idea how to find old links............. I feel that Charles was helping Lori make life for Joe a living hell. It has been stated that that was a primary reason for them moving to Hawaii for those years.

There are many facts that make me feel that Charles has a sketchy profile as well, even though we do conclude that he was quite the victim. It is hard for me to see any way to stay with Lori, without absorbing some of her evil and greed.

I have always had trouble accepting earlier reports of "what a wonderful person and mom" she was. I always feel it was just her masterful acting.
moo

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

A lot of "loins". Matching perfectly. In unison. And tight yoga pants...

If you are writing , even soft core, it’s best not to use the Bible as your style guide.

 

[altojack]

As i have stated earlier, and unfortunately have no idea how to find old links............. I feel that Charles was helping Lori make life for Joe a living hell. It has been stated that that was a primary reason for them moving to Hawaii for those years.

There are many facts that make me feel that Charles has a sketchy profile as well, even though we do conclude that he was quite the victim. It is hard for me to see any way to stay with Lori, without absorbing some of her evil and greed.

I have always had trouble accepting earlier reports of "what a wonderful person and mom" she was. I always feel it was just her masterful acting.
moo

Oh definitely, earlier reports of Lori come across as showing her as loving herself. All for her.

My comments about Charles comes from reading somewhere about Joe and it mentions Charles and Lori. So in my mind Charles knew something, but what I can't remember what the piece was saying.

"old links" huh? Sorry I'm messing around here as it seems you and I are one of a kind. I have no idea how to find old links, sorry.

 

[indicolite22]

As i have stated earlier, and unfortunately have no idea how to find old links............. I feel that Charles was helping Lori make life for Joe a living hell. It has been stated that that was a primary reason for them moving to Hawaii for those years.

Lori tried to convince her friends that Joe sexually abused her children. Perhaps Charles believed her. Alex certainly did. Joe wasn't always an angel. His sister became estranged from him because of his ways. She allegedly witnessed him physically abuse Colby.

There are many facts that make me feel that Charles has a sketchy profile as well, even though we do conclude that he was quite the victim. It is hard for me to see any way to stay with Lori, without absorbing some of her evil and greed.

Charles tolerated a lot from Lori. He told her nephew that he should just nod to her ideas. As long as she was taking care of JJ he did not mind too much.

I have always had trouble accepting earlier reports of "what a wonderful person and mom" she was. I always feel it was just her masterful acting.
moo

IMO it's possible that she changed her priorities as she became more obsessed with religion.

 

[Deelish]

Maybe I’m in the minority, but I think moving the case to Boise might work against the defense. In Rexburg, I think the Mormon population is 96%; in Boise, it’s 16%. Because so much of this case rests on how they strayed from Mormon doctrine, and whatever it is that Chad and Lori believe, the LDS religion and their interpretation would have to be, I’d think, a key part of the case. To mainstream LDS members, the Mormon faith itself would not seem in any way odd. But, with respect to anyone here who is LDS, if you aren’t it’s not exactly a religion that doesn’t seem somewhat … fantastical. (And yes, all now mainstream religions have plenty of fantastical elements but their origin stories and theology have become accepted. I don’t think Mormonism/LDS is viewed the same way.) So right from the get go, Boise jurors who aren’t Mormon are likely going to think the entire premise is whacko. There would be no potential sympathy for them being led astray from traditional Mormon doctrine because non-believers are less likely to see that as having a normal baseline. They would, I think, see this as the usual motivated by greed/lust murder case. With odd religious overtones.

 

[fred&edna]

"You should get a life insurance policy on jj, tylee, and you. Cause after Charles we see that anything can always happen if it's the Lord's will." Dets say #MelanieBoudreaux sent text to #LoriVallow just 10 days after #CharlesVallow's murder. @KSL5TV

https://twitter.com/GarnaMejiaKSL/status/1446876128182878208

I wonder how much life insurance was taken out on BB when a "Lord's will" attempt was made on his life?!

Also, is that attempt still being investigated by any LE agency??

 

[cocomod]

Maybe I’m in the minority, but I think moving the case to Boise might work against the defense. In Rexburg, I think the Mormon population is 96%; in Boise, it’s 16%. Because so much of this case rests on how they strayed from Mormon doctrine, and whatever it is that Chad and Lori believe, the LDS religion and their interpretation would have to be, I’d think, a key part of the case. To mainstream LDS members, the Mormon faith itself would not seem in any way odd. But, with respect to anyone here who is LDS, if you aren’t it’s not exactly a religion that doesn’t seem somewhat … fantastical. (And yes, all now mainstream religions have plenty of fantastical elements but their origin stories and theology have become accepted. I don’t think Mormonism/LDS is viewed the same way.) So right from the get go, Boise jurors who aren’t Mormon are likely going to think the entire premise is whacko. There would be no potential sympathy for them being led astray from traditional Mormon doctrine because non-believers are less likely to see that as having a normal baseline. They would, I think, see this as the usual motivated by greed/lust murder case. With odd religious overtones.

I actually think having a non-LDS jury will help rather than hinder. Their "religious" beliefs are so FAR away from the LDS view, but they went to a LDS church and temple. The things that they did that strayed from the LDS doctrine would likely disgust a practicing "Mormon" and may have the effect of a harsher judgment. Whereas, someone who doesn't understand the LDS belief system may not completely understand how much what they were doing is so against what we believe and practice. JMHO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Oh definitely, earlier reports of Lori come across as showing her as loving herself. All for her.

My comments about Charles comes from reading somewhere about Joe and it mentions Charles and Lori. So in my mind Charles knew something, but what I can't remember what the piece was saying.

"old links" huh? Sorry I'm messing around here as it seems you and I are one of a kind. I have no idea how to find old links, sorry.

ha ha! They would have to go back to early 2020! How in heavens name ...

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Lori tried to convince her friends that Joe sexually abused her children. Perhaps Charles believed her. Alex certainly did. Joe wasn't always an angel. His sister became estranged from him because of his ways. She allegedly witnessed him physically abuse Colby.

Charles tolerated a lot from Lori. He told her nephew that he should just nod to her ideas. As long as she was taking care of JJ he did not mind too much.

IMO it's possible that she changed her priorities as she became more obsessed with religion.

maybe... but i think it has always been an act.
5 marriages..her parents went to none of them... I kept hoping DH#1 or DH#2 would chime in!! But noooo.

 

[Hazelnutty]

A lot of "loins". Matching perfectly. In unison. And tight yoga pants...

*shudders*


Any recent news of Lori's status (patient, prisoner, location)? Is she anywhere near the place where " we" can get the ball rolling on her trial?

Mental illness is serious & I'm not trying to make light of her issues, btw.

Justice for Tylee, JJ, Charles, Tammy

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I actually think having a non-LDS jury will help rather than hinder. Their "religious" beliefs are so FAR away from the LDS view, but they went to a LDS church and temple. The things that they did that strayed from the LDS doctrine would likely disgust a practicing "Mormon" and may have the effect of a harsher judgment. Whereas, someone who doesn't understand the LDS belief system may not completely understand how much what they were doing is so against what we believe and practice. JMHO

I have been thinking about the merits or the lack there of, regarding the change of location, since before the request was made. I feel you and Delish express the very points that I keep thinking. Chad and his defense are seriously counting on the new location being better for their case. I do think that has something to do with how offended people are with how Lori and Chad did abuse LDS, as well as the murder of the kids.

But, if we ever do get to court, I feel pretty strongly that no jury will have difficulty with a conviction.
Perhaps if they stall enough, jurors will be so old that they will remember nothing.............

 

[squareandrabbet]

I actually think having a non-LDS jury will help rather than hinder. Their "religious" beliefs are so FAR away from the LDS view, but they went to a LDS church and temple. The things that they did that strayed from the LDS doctrine would likely disgust a practicing "Mormon" and may have the effect of a harsher judgment. Whereas, someone who doesn't understand the LDS belief system may not completely understand how much what they were doing is so against what we believe and practice. JMHO

Prior may also be hoping that after he throws a batch of dry and/or confusing LDS theology at civilians, that they basically shut down in much the way that the police officer responded to Charles on the sidewalk - ‘is this normal theology? I’m not LDS, so’. I mean, one of the things I’ve been told every time I get assigned to a jury box is, ‘listening to and processing large amounts of speech is surprisingly tiring.’

In other words, I think JP is placing a lot of his hopes on the ‘baffle/buffalo them with word salad’ principle.

 

[887sMtreme]

Maybe I’m in the minority, but I think moving the case to Boise might work against the defense. In Rexburg, I think the Mormon population is 96%; in Boise, it’s 16%. Because so much of this case rests on how they strayed from Mormon doctrine, and whatever it is that Chad and Lori believe, the LDS religion and their interpretation would have to be, I’d think, a key part of the case. To mainstream LDS members, the Mormon faith itself would not seem in any way odd. But, with respect to anyone here who is LDS, if you aren’t it’s not exactly a religion that doesn’t seem somewhat … fantastical. (And yes, all now mainstream religions have plenty of fantastical elements but their origin stories and theology have become accepted. I don’t think Mormonism/LDS is viewed the same way.) So right from the get go, Boise jurors who aren’t Mormon are likely going to think the entire premise is whacko. There would be no potential sympathy for them being led astray from traditional Mormon doctrine because non-believers are less likely to see that as having a normal baseline. They would, I think, see this as the usual motivated by greed/lust murder case. With odd religious overtones.

It’s been my concern from the get-go that the culty weirdness at the heart of this case is going to get warped into the weft of LDS doctrine and non-LDS people will be afraid to condemn the latter by judging the former as murderous and wrong. We shall see. The state has a dicey job ahead. Let’s hope for the best.

 

[CSIDreamer]

It’s been my concern from the get-go that the culty weirdness at the heart of this case is going to get warped into the weft of LDS doctrine and non-LDS people will be afraid to condemn the latter by judging the former as murderous and wrong. We shall see. The state has a dicey job ahead. Let’s hope for the best.

I'm not LDS. I would have zero trouble separating wild theology from murder. JMO

 

[fred&edna]

I knew very, very little about LDS doctrine at the beginning of this case but despite this... I easily and quickly realized CD and LVD were manipulating the faith/teachings to arrive at their own selfish goals. What I have since learned about LDS doctrine only solidifies my realization of manipulation.

jmo

ETA: My thanks to those who shared LDS info with me, particularly the DS off-shoot info!

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

I wonder how much life insurance was taken out on BB when a "Lord's will" attempt was made on his life?!

Also, is that attempt still being investigated by any LE agency??

Lot’s will, my stinky foot.it was Lori’s will, all the way.

 

[cocomod]

To be clear, I don't think any jury will have a hard time convicting these two murdering narcissists! I think the religion honestly is just a cover story for power to abuse, manipulate, and obviously murder people to get more of what LVD and CD want - the rest of the world be d@mned.

 

[indicolite22]

https://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/daybell-idaho-home-new-owner/

Daybell transferred ownership of the home where the children were discovered to his attorney John J. Prior on May 12 through a quitclaim deed, according to property records.

Clients do transfer real estate to lawyers, often to pay their retainers if they don’t have the cash on hand. But it’s extremely unusual and typically frowned upon despite being legal in most circumstances in the state of Idaho, say attorneys.

If Daybell moved the property to his lawyer to protect it from victims or creditors, it can be challenged in court. Then a lien could be filed against the property for that amount. That would leave the attorney with nothing.