Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #60

[CSIDreamer]

JJ was 4.2L and it didn't save him.

He changed. LVD even said that. The supposed kitchen incident. JMO

 

[Algo214]

He changed. LVD even said that. The supposed kitchen incident. JMO

But 4.2+ L or D could not switch, they said
IIRC FWIW

 

[Colorado303]

I get your thinking And, while I totally agree that an enforcer (especially one proven to be effective) would be essential to the special organization (144,000), I don't believe he was declared "dark nor zombie-like"... rather he was likely viewed as a martyr (of sorts). He fulfilled his divine righteous participation and the dark beings were coming for him... he was just doomed (not dark) so he was to move on to the next life as a hero/martyr.

Not only would there be a new spouse lined-up for Z... there would likely be a new enforcer lined-up, as well.

C&L combined religious bits with gaming and soap opera. This combo adjusted and changed depending on what they deemed necessary at the time.

jmo (and guesses)

BBM

“Not only would there be a new spouse lined-up for Z... there would likely be a new enforcer lined-up, as well.”

Hadn’t thought of that before but makes sense and feels right to me. It also make sense that the new enforcer would be the one dispatched to take out the old one...

 

[MsJosie]

A new work week, what shall it bring?

 

[justanurse]

Regarding Z’s immunity. From what I understand they’re only going to give someone immunity of the information they have helps convict someone right? Which means she’d probably have to testify. If Z, at the time everything was happening, believed she could control the earth and weather, how can anything she says be trusted by a judge or jury?

If she got up on a witness stand she’d be torn to shreds by the defense, right?

Immunity/“Princess” type sentences rub me the wrong way after what happened with Janice Hooker (immunity) and Karla Homolka (Princess deal before they knew the full scope of what she had done).

 

[Colorado303]

Regarding Z’s immunity. From what I understand they’re only going to give someone immunity of the information they have helps convict someone right? Which means she’d probably have to testify. If Z, at the time everything was happening, believed she could control the earth and weather, how can anything she says be trusted by a judge or jury?

If she got up on a witness stand she’d be torn to shreds by the defense, right?

Immunity/“Princess” type sentences rub me the wrong way after what happened with Janice Hooker (immunity) and Karla Homolka (Princess deal before they knew the full scope of what she had done).

Not to mention Krystal, Patrick Frazee’s wanna-be girlfriend who drove through the night from ID to CO to singlehandedly clean up his bloody crime scene. She then joined him to burn the body and disposed of evidence on the drive back home. Not only did she know in advance he was going to kill Kelsey, Krystal had previously taken steps to poison and beat Kelsey to death on her own.

In exchange for her testimony, K got a paltry 3 year sentence and was out of prison in less than two.

 

[Niner]

@montegrl - I have 2 different dates for Chad's next hearing - 9/13 & 9/29. Which one is the correct one? I'd go back & look, but I wouldn't know "which" page it is on...
TIA if you can help me!

 

[indicolite22]

He changed. LVD even said that. The supposed kitchen incident. JMO

You mean when he knocked the picture of Jesus off the refrigerator? That was on his last day. To Lori he was exhibiting zombie-like behavior (sitting still in front of TV, being more articulate than usual) a few days before that. But his status likely started shifting much earlier. We know that Chad and Lori discussed his death percentage back in July.

 

[indicolite22]

But 4.2+ L or D could not switch, they said
IIRC FWIW

IIRC, they said that they "rarely" switched.

 

[indicolite22]

BBM

“Not only would there be a new spouse lined-up for Z... there would likely be a new enforcer lined-up, as well.”

Hadn’t thought of that before but makes sense and feels right to me. It also make sense that the new enforcer would be the one dispatched to take out the old one...

If the police weren't onto Chad and Lori, Alex would still be alive IMO (if he didn't die of natural causes). Another attempt on BB's life would likely be in the cards. With L&C being under investigation, I think their murderous activities were on pause, unless they planned to kill witnesses. But Chad thought that the case was going away if the kids were never found.

 

[indicolite22]

Regarding Z’s immunity. From what I understand they’re only going to give someone immunity of the information they have helps convict someone right? Which means she’d probably have to testify. If Z, at the time everything was happening, believed she could control the earth and weather, how can anything she says be trusted by a judge or jury?

If she got up on a witness stand she’d be torn to shreds by the defense, right?

Immunity/“Princess” type sentences rub me the wrong way after what happened with Janice Hooker (immunity) and Karla Homolka (Princess deal before they knew the full scope of what she had done).

If she shows receipts or her testimony can be corroborated by other evidence, then she can't be discredited. (IMO)

 

[indicolite22]

Not to mention Krystal, Patrick Frazee’s wanna-be girlfriend who drove through the night from ID to CO to singlehandedly clean up his bloody crime scene. She then joined him to burn the body and disposed of evidence on the drive back home. Not only did she know in advance he was going to kill Kelsey, Krystal had previously taken steps to poison and beat Kelsey to death on her own.

In exchange for her testimony, K got a paltry 3 year sentence and was out of prison in less than two.

IIRC, KK was asked three times by PF to kill Kelsey, but she couldn't go through with it.

 

[Satchie]

Did you say ALLEGEDLY?

And have you studied their philosophy?
And are you sure they ever married a spouse for love? Where did you get that info?

Lori married for money and attention for herself from the beginning and trashed every man she married. There was never any love in that woman.

Chad married likely so someone could care for him while he chose to dig graves snd write books and pretend he was a god.

So please don’t pretend either of them know what love is or that they didn’t want the other to take care of them.

They are BOTH narcicissts and serial killers.

By the way, if you marry for love and no longer want that person, there is this thing called divorce. NOT murder!!

Well, you quoted me, so as you must be able to see, I wrote 'allegedly' in small case, not all caps.

Until charges are proven in court, they remain accusations/ allegations. That is the common understanding in the justice system, and is reflected in the wording in all the news coverage.

For the rest, I was not intending to debate the nature of true, pure, undying love vs the many other reasons people get married, but just to point out that, for eg, it does not appear Lori married her husbands (including Chad) for the express purpose of bumping them off and claiming their life insurance.

There are maybe a couple of cases of people doing that, it is very rare. Mostly, people kill their spouses after the marriage sours, they give it a go first. Over 2,000 people murder their spouses per year in the US
Murders by Intimate Partners Are on the Rise, Study Finds (Published 2019)
it's not like Chad and Lori are unique.

It's the alleged murders of the children that make this case unusual, and all the, IMO, imaginative plot enhancements are taking focus away from that aspect of the case.

 

[887sMtreme]

Does anyone with experience with pulmonary embolisms know if diarrhea with vomiting is a sign of a PE? I really don't know, so just asking if it causes the same symptoms Alex had. Also we have the report of Alex going to Mexico for some kind of pharmaceutical, which has never been disclosed if they know what it was or not.

I had “massive” PE in both lungs, hospitalized for 5 days one door down from the ICU. It was apparently a very serious thing, but honestly, other than the increasing breathlessness that preceded my ultimate 911 call, I had no symptoms at all. I had my laptop and cell phone with me in the hospital so I didn’t miss a day of work.

 

[Nikynoo]

Does anyone with experience with pulmonary embolisms know if diarrhea with vomiting is a sign of a PE? I really don't know, so just asking if it causes the same symptoms Alex had. Also we have the report of Alex going to Mexico for some kind of pharmaceutical, which has never been disclosed if they know what it was or not.

My Dad died from a massive PE. He just dropped and died. There was no indication of diarraha/sickness or frothing from the mouth.

I suggest that it depends where in the respitory system the occlusion/blockage is. I asked the pathologist (who carried out the autopsy) if my Dad would have known he was dying and I was told it would be like fainting and my Dad would have known nothing - though I suspect that the pathologist may have just been kind.

This is a diagram that shows what happened to my Dad.

 

[887sMtreme]

@montegrl - I have 2 different dates for Chad's next hearing - 9/13 & 9/29. Which one is the correct one? I'd go back & look, but I wouldn't know "which" page it is on...
TIA if you can help me!

Time out to say Niner, I *live* for your sweet little avatar kitties.

 

[887sMtreme]

My Dad died from a massive PE. He just dropped and died. There was no indication of diarraha/sickness or frothing from the mouth.

I suggest that it depends where in the respitory system the occlusion/blockage is. I asked the pathologist (who carried out the autopsy) if my dad would have known he was dieing and I was told it would be like fainting and my dad would have known nothing - though I suspect that the pathologist may have just been kind.

No, the pathologist wasn’t just being kind. Your father’s oxygen was cut off by the time he died, so his brain wasn’t functioning normally. “Fainting” would be the perfect way to describe it. You may take some comfort in knowing your father died fairly peacefully.

 

[Niner]

Time out to say Niner, I *live* for your sweet little avatar kitties.

Have a new one - that waves to you all!

 

[Nikynoo]

No, the pathologist wasn’t just being kind. Your father’s oxygen was cut off by the time he died, so his brain wasn’t functioning normally. “Fainting” would be the perfect way to describe it. You may take some comfort in knowing your father died fairly peacefully.

Thank you.

 

[GRT]

Another thing I find odd is that even though Chad increased Tammy's life insurance policy just days before she died -- the insurer apparently did not request a toxicology report. From what I understand, if the insured person dies within two years of taking out (or significantly increasing) a policy, the insurance company requires a toxicology report or some type of investigation.

That's a big red flag.