Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #2

[Onsdag]

@Onsdag, Thanks for this very useful info!

Do you have a sense of how many people might be surrounding Lori, Chad, Julie etc. in this community run by Christopher Parrett? Is it possible that people in this community might be sheltering Lori and Chad or know where the 2 missing children might be?

I don't. The AVOW website claims to have over 13,000 members. I don't know if these are people with an active subscription, or all-time numbers. Regardless, not everyone there shares the same beliefs or would be supportive of hiding the children. When Julie would hold conferences, book signings, etc., usually there would be hundreds of people in attendance. Again not everyone would be supportive of her necessarily.

My best guess, if people from these networks are indeed involved in this case, would be maybe a few dozen, either directly or indirectly. I would have to imagine that the fewer people involved the more likely it is they can keep things a secret. But then again you have people like Hector intimating that he has personal knowledge of the situation (and why would he unless they are tapping into this network, or he's lying?) so who knows. Sorry, I really don't know how extensive such a network would be.

 

[SuziQ]

IIRC AVOW isn't recommended or even recognized by the LDS Church... Seems like they are splintering off a bit more than just prepping. Curious as to what Julie Rowe did to get ex'ed, and if it was about the same time as Chad. I would hope the LDS Church begins to look at this closer and take corrective action on members involved. That said the FBI should be looking into it as well as Preparing a People.

IMO, these cult leaders use just enough LDS doctrine needed to make themselves look legitimate and snare new members.

 

[BigAl16]

I live in Rexburg and the following is all my own opinion. I'm also not an active Mormon but grew up Mormon and have lived here for decades. I don't know any of the players involved. It's true that the church has a lot of influence in this area but I think it's important to note that Rexburg is very "Mainstream Mormon" with the university here. It is not a fringy religious area. It really isn't. It's a farming community, and by that I mean a very large, prosperous, farming community. Not backwards and not podunk. I don't believe any Mormon group in the area is helping Chad and Lori. My guess is that the LDS community didn't even know about Lori and her kids. I doubt they were even attending church here. I think Chad kept it all very secret, probably even from his own kids. The apartment LE visited on Pioneer Road is in the boundaries for Kennedy Elementary, where JJ was enrolled. It is in an area very saturated with apartment complexes. A lot of BYUI students live there as well. No one really would notice them there as people come and go. This is another reason, I believe, why no alarms went off when JJ stopped attending school. There are many "married with families" students at BYUI. Kennedy Elementary serves a lot of apartment complexes and kids come and go. Their parents graduate and move. Or they move to different apartment complexes. I'm not sure what people expect church members here to do about a woman and her kids that they didn't even know existed. I really think they were keeping under the radar. Especially considering what was going to happen to Tammy. Same with Chad's adult kids. I don't think they knew/know much. MOO

Exactly. I'm not sure that in the 2 month time frame anyone would have been likely to notice anything amiss in a typical neighborhood in any town, but a college town during a period when movement is going to be at its highest (summer ending, new school year/semester starting) in apartments close to the college, there is no way. MOO

 

[fred&edna]

Now, I am wondering if Chad made an appearance at these events (he's listed on the schedule)
Oct 26-27 St George, Utah, AND Nov 16-17 in Mesa, AZ

https://www.colormymedia.com/


ETA: Also wonder if a little side trip to Vegas for a wedding could have occurred??

Were these two "on the run" during this time? I simply can't remember

 

[BigAl16]

IMO, these cult leaders use just enough LDS doctrine needed to make themselves look legitimate and snare new members.

I'm guessing they keep some of it because those they're targeting wouldn't be comfortable without some of it feeling familiar, but they're also people who believe some wild stuff (angels coming down, leading a teenage boy to buried gold plates, etc). Plus they've also been told the last days were almost here their entire life (if LDS since birth) so they'd be primed to believe what these "cult leaders" are selling. Of course there is the possibility of someone just being a "false prophet," but that could be the LDS leaders just as easily as the other way around.

Very much just MOO.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

IMO, these cult leaders use just enough LDS doctrine needed to make themselves look legitimate and snare new members.

Nailed it!

 

[katikaboom]

Thank you!

I am also a terrible sleeper because of my ADHD. When I found the right med, that problem went away. Being able to sleep honestly makes me an entirely different person.

 

[afitzy]

Idaho police say time is slipping away in case of missing siblings - CNN

Quotes from article:
(CNN)Idaho police say they are worried time is running out in the case of two children who have been missing since September.

"We are trying to be so urgent with it. Time is just slipping, slipping away," Rexburg, Idaho Assistant Police Chief Gary Hagen told CNN.
Police are looking to question Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow after her children -- 7-year-old Joshua Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan -- were reported missing and his previous wife was found dead. The couple "abruptly" left their home when police arrived to serve a search warrant last month.
Hagen said they aren't calling Daybell and Vallow suspects. They just want to be assured the children are safe.

An attorney for the couple says he is in contact with them, according to East Idaho News.
"Chad Daybell was a loving husband and has the support of his children in this matter. Lori Daybell is a devoted mother and resents assertions to the contrary," Attorney Sean Bartholick told the outlet. "We look forward to addressing the allegations once they have moved beyond speculation and rumor."
He did not, however, have information regarding the whereabouts or welfare of the children.
CNN has reached out to Bartholick for comment.
Hagen says the local prosecutor has been working with investigators to get in touch with the couple through their attorney.

 

[BigAl16]

In the GH's Youtube interview with Kay and Larry Woodcock, Kay mentions the date of July 22, 2020. "its the last day and then Jesus is coming..." min 58:58 And also Kay mentions Independence, MO. However its all very vague and I do not know where Kay heard this information

Side note to the above: Julie must not have gotten the memo about the July, 22, 2020 date because she has Energy Healing sessions scheduled till November 2020. Julie Rowe Energy Sessions

The Independence, MO mention sounds like an example of integrating mainstream LDS teachings into their visions. I don't remember the specifics, but think the mainstream Mormon story is that the Garden of Eden was near where Independence, MO is located and something in "the last days" was happening there (all the saints gather there, maybe). MOO.

 

[BigAl16]

Idaho police say time is slipping away in case of missing siblings - CNN

This seems to contradict the "off for the Christmas holiday" story.

"Hagen's 35-member police department has been working round the clock through the holidays along with Salt Lake City FBI, the Fremont County Idaho Sheriff's office, and police in both the cities of Chandler and Gilbert, Arizona interviewing family and friends looking for leads, holding regular conference calls to share information."

I think someone theorized above that the off for the holiday story was quite possibly just the person responsible for interaction with the press and others outside of the police force, not the actual detectives working the case.

 

[BigAl16]

Duplicate post

 

[Steelslady]

Per the youtube show, Joseph Ryan (Tylee's dad) moved to Arizona to be near Tylee. It sure sounds like he was fighting for custody. It also sounds like in the middle of it Lori and Charles moved to Hawaii. Then Lori and Charles returned to Arizona (not sure of exact date). Then of course Joseph Ryan was found dead, apparently 3 weeks after he actually died. And the body was cremated.

Say what?!

 

[CSIDreamer]

Idaho police say time is slipping away in case of missing siblings - CNN

LE involved:

Hagen's 35-member police department has been working round the clock through the holidays along with Salt Lake City FBI, the Fremont County Idaho Sheriff's office, and police in both the cities of Chandler and Gilbert, Arizona interviewing family and friends looking for leads, holding regular conference calls to share information.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Now, I am wondering if Chad made an appearance at these events (he's listed on the schedule)
Oct 26-27 St George, Utah, AND Nov 16-17 in Mesa, AZ

https://www.colormymedia.com/


ETA: Also wonder if a little side trip to Vegas for a wedding could have occurred??

Were these two "on the run" during this time? I simply can't remember

After Tammy's passing, before they got married early Nov. I have a hunch Lori talked him into ditching it to Hawaii, if I was LEA I would look there first, where Lori / Charles once stayed. They may have friends there. And of course the phones. Did they lose their phones and get throw aways?

 

[afitzy]

This seems to contradict the "off for the Christmas holiday" story.

"Hagen's 35-member police department has been working round the clock through the holidays along with Salt Lake City FBI, the Fremont County Idaho Sheriff's office, and police in both the cities of Chandler and Gilbert, Arizona interviewing family and friends looking for leads, holding regular conference calls to share information."

I think someone theorized above that the off for the holiday story was quite possibly just the person responsible for interaction with the press and others outside of the police force, not the actual detectives working the case.

YES!!

So encouraging to see LE working full out to find the missing 2 children.

This wonderful news was like getting a 'late' Christmas gift for all involved!

 

[Redvines86]

@Maxxer500, I am really worried most about the missing children of course, but I have been getting worried as well for Tammy's kids. I doubt very much they have correct information concerning the penalties for knowing information or helping their dad. I have no faith the lawyer for Chad gave them good advice. They are good kids, socially awkward sure, pretty sheltered, and with no idea the federal laws they could be breaking. Do you think your grandparents could talk to Chad's parents about this? I think Garth would listen to them and then be able to talk to his siblings.

 

[j_in_c]

A giant red star is acting weird and scientists think it may be about to explode - CNN

Random thought here...These are people who are watching closely for signs of the end of the world and 2nd Coming of Christ...They are also "vibrating"(per Julie Rowe) at a higher frequency and have a supposed connection with angles on other side of the veil.. Are they also into astrology and numerology? New Years and the end of a decade is this coming week and we go into 2020. The above link came up on my CNN alert, these are the things this group of fringe people are watching and looking for ..Also add in the conspiracy of the "Constitution hanging by a thread" (Trump impeachment) My opinion is that the FBI and maybe ATF is watching this very closely and has pulled this out of the hands of Madison and Fremont Counties in Idaho and Maricopa County in AZ. Is this more inline with wackos like the Branch Davidians in Waco years ago?

The giant red star is "due" to explode and may do so in the next 100,000 years after its 8-9 million year lifespan and when we see it here on earth, it will have already happened 600 years ago. Maybe Julie has mastered intergalatic travel and knows that it already happened and eventually we will see the light from it when it arrives in our solar system(sarcasm). If you follow news in astronomy, there are interesting discoveries and announcements made daily (why not the new black hole evidence, or possible planet 9 in our solar system or all the new FRBs detected this year?).

There is literally always unrest in parts of the world(including the US and especially the middle east), natural disasters, etc. I'll never understand how people won't listen to hard science on the possible dangers of climate change and take action, but will start stockpiling bomb shelters on vague predictions of doom/invasion/govt collapse/natural disasters.

Anyone can make predictions -> someone you know will be in a car accident.... someone you know will get cancer.... someone you know will make a trip to the grocery store -> that's just statistics, not revelations.

Also, reading through all the links and information posted, this is not as organized as a defined "cult". This appears to be a very fringe group that takes the LDS principle of "be prepared" to a dangerous extreme of no longer being prepared for life, but only being prepared for the apocalypse. Many other mainstream religions also have fringe, unsanctioned, extreme followers who latch onto a small aspect of the faith and corrupt it to dangerous purposes (exorcism in Catholicism, speaking in tongues in evangelism, Yoga/Hinduism and Breatharian, etc).

Ranting over - let's get back to finding Tylee and JJ. I do have some hope since Lori & Chad have supporters and backers that these two kids are alive somewhere being taken care of and will eventually be found.

 

[afitzy]

This will continue until law enforcement can prove to all of them that they have been lied to. Nothing will change otherwise.

*modsnip*.

I agree that the 'Hide Lori and Chad Show" can continue for awhile. BUT, there will eventually be a full forensic investigation into the death of TD along with the ongoing investigations in AZ related to Lori.

Once the forensic results are processed and any arrest warrant/s obtained then the "Hide Lori and Chad Show" will need to end as justice is processed. Any folks involved in sheltering or hindering the investigation will also need to be fully prosecuted.

Given the sophistication of forensic testing that will no doubt be conducted in all of these cases, the silence and support of the non cooperating family members becomes even more baffling given the potential legal exposure they are creating for themselves.

MOO

 

[fred&edna]

After Tammy's passing, before they got married early Nov. I have a hunch Lori talked him into ditching it to Hawaii, if I was LEA I would look there first, where Lori / Charles once stayed. They may have friends there. And of course the phones. Did they lose their phones and get throw aways?

Possibly, but I haven't read about any LE agencies in Hawaii being involved (that, of course, doesn't mean they aren't looking there). But, if so... when did they return to mainland... if they did?

I'm just attempting a little Chad timeline of my own (useless but it's better than listening to JRowe spew her "energy" lol)

 

[Steelslady]

I read somewhere, (I’m trying to locate it again) a conversation posted online between Chad and Julie. They were talking about the car accident that his wife Tammy was involved in before her death and how it wasn’t her time yet.

Has anyone else seen this? I’m sure I didn't dream it but having difficulty locating it again.
Maybe @Maxxer500 would know if Tammy was in a car accident before her death?
TIA

My opinion only

I guess the gun man incident also wasn't her time yet, either?