Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #4

[KonaHonu]

In my opinion, religion has nothing to do with this. Lori just an evil hell cat demon, standing behind religion to justifing her actions and cowardly hiding from LE. Chad is enjoying the ride with her, or he would have come forward by now, especially for his children's sake. He's an evil monster.

I've found nothing before ~18 months ago when her family says she got involved with Chad/cult to suggest she was wacko. She was LDS for 44 years or so without killing anyone, kidnapping anyone, or etc. She read Chad's books, met him, got involved with the cult, and went off the deep end! So no, the LDS religion has nothing to do with this. But the strange cult they concocted certainly does!

 

[txl]

For what its worth I am curious about Tammy as she seemed to be a religious, vibrant and active person and a devoted mother who loved her family. Do you believe that she knew about what might have been Chad's double life?

I also wonder if Tammy subscribed to the beliefs that Chad espoused in his books and which were so so attractive to Lori? Or, did Chad essentially live a double life that his wife and family knew nothing about? On one hand he held a leadership role in his local ward and then on the other hand he was active online with his podcasts where people paid a monthly fee for access?

For lack of a better word you might called him a "Masked Morman" as he certainly seemed to be 2 different people!

MOO

Who knows what goes on in a marriage? I am married to the love of my life and I am quite sure that I don't fully understand the internal, private world of my spouse.

Or said differently, I choose to remember Tammy as I knew her. A happy, kind, loving, giving person. Until evidence says otherwise, I choose to think that whatever it is that Chad was into was kept secret from her.

 

[afitzy]

I've found nothing before ~18 months ago when her family says she got involved with Chad/cult to suggest she was wacko. She was LDS for 44 years or so without killing anyone, kidnapping anyone, or etc. She read Chad's books, met him, got involved with the cult, and went off the deep end! So no, the LDS religion has nothing to do with this. But the strange cult they concocted certainly does!

Here is the screenshot of the Phoenix Reporter Lum document posted earlier this evening about Lori (Mother) and Charles (Father).



Seems like there might be a fine line between delusion and psychosis. I do wonder if Lori's 'angel' was her brother Alex Cox?

 

[janewall]

Well that’s true! He planted the seed, she acted on it... they’re both pretty awful.

It's a true folie à deux. I don't think there's truly a ringleader - they feed off each other's ideas because they're very much of the same (delusional) mindset. There's a more precise term for this - a folie simultanée.

It also could be shared by many more than just the two of them - perhaps those who are possibly enabling them, including a certain author. Very frightening.

This case is going to be one psychologists reference for a long time to come. MOO

Folie à deux (Wikipedia)

 

[BigAl16]

Who knows what goes on in a marriage? I am married to the love of my life and I am quite sure that I don't fully understand the internal, private world of my spouse.

Or said differently, I choose to remember Tammy as she I knew here. A happy, kind, loving, giving person. Until evidence says otherwise, I choose to think that whatever it is that Chad was into was kept secret from her.

FWIW, I for sure and suspect the majority of the people hanging out here who are not in as good of a position as you are to make that judgement would tend to agree, at least based on all we know or think we have gleaned about Tammy.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

There is no MSM link to a video or article to substantiate that the individual sticking out their tongue behind the reporter is in fact a family member.

If/when we have time, we'll try to go back and remove posts that reference it, but in the meantime please do not refer to it or continue to state it as fact.

Thanks.

 

[nopynono]

The sept 23 date seems significant for numerous reasons. It's the date JJ is last seen and the date Valentina and Devin K Hansen last hear from Chad. It's also in the title of a youtube video in Alex Cox's new wife's playlist, vaguely talking about the 2nd coming of Christ. While I know the wife isnt a POI others have linked to where you can find her name. I think its only relevant here to shed some further light with the recent documentation questioning Lori's mental health specifically concerning her delusions about being part of Christ's return. There seems to be a lot of ritual thinking going on here, first with the sept 23 date and then with the three sets of quick marriages, two of them being in the same place, one day apart. Can anyone shed more light on the sept 23 numerology theory that might be taking place here? The youtube video specifically says its not trying to refer to the date of the rapture, but then makes rambling points that the date is still very important, with biblical references. If Lori was having religious delusions described in the fox article, what might sept 23 mean to her? Would that give any hint to where she might have taken them?

 

[txl]

I'm really curious about why 'pulling at the LDS thread' isn't on your 'recommended list' for this sad situation with 2 missing children?

Chad and Lori spent their entire lives within the network of the LDS faith and while they by all accounts have gone 'off the rails' in their beliefs, wouldn't you think that much of their foundational beliefs and possibly personal network of people might still be tied to their LDS beliefs? The families and friends of Lori and Chad are no doubt part of the broader LDS community and so I'm baffled how this fact wouldn't be relevant to understanding who these people might be? Will this information about the LDS faith help find 2 missing children? Probably not as has already been discussed extensively here on WS.

By all accounts also, Chad still had a leadership role in his ward at the time that Tammy sadly died. So, Chad still seemed entrenched in his local LDS activities and we haven't seen confirmation that his teachings had been condemned or even questioned by the LDS leadership. The DM was the only outlet (it was repeated by others) that discussed the fact that Chad had been ex-ed, but this issue hasn't been confirmed or seen anyplace else.

Is this information incorrect about Chad?

MOO

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in mainstream, official LDS doctrine that will help you and this online community find the missing children.

 

[KonaHonu]

Good question. I wonder if he was threatened by Lori that if he went through with it, she would kill him or the kids?

Perhaps he recognized her instability and genuinely wanted to help her. I am recently divorced and my sane wife of 25+ years started making some crazy claims and accusations during the process. They were all untrue but it showed me how imbalanced people can get under stress and what lengths they will go to.

 

[Maxxer500]

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in mainstream, official LDS doctrine that will help you, and this online community, find the missing children.

I agree with this. There has been a lot of digging into how the LDS Church or membership might be involved. This is despite us seeing details that suggest that Chad, Lori, and anyone who might be helping them do not respect key LDS beliefs (check out articles 12 and 13 from the Articles of Faith, for example) or LDS Officials. I am not sure why such details have been disregarded, but I feel our investigation into religious groups would be better directed towards AVOW. Chad and Lori have some deep ties in AVOW, and AVOW seems to be our best bet right now at finding anyone who might be helping to hide the missing kids.

I appreciate all the work everyone here puts in, I'm just a little confused why we're still so focused on the mainstream LDS Church.

 

[txl]

I'm not LDS and frankly don't have much respect for the LDS church. But these people are insane and I would not apply that to mainstream LDS doctrine.

Based on my incomplete/ignorant understanding:
- LDS members prepare for hardship because they came from pioneer families and actually endured periods of hardship in their community history. They are not preparing only for the second coming. They value self-reliance which I do as well!
- LDS anticipate the second coming of Christ but so do most Christian denominations to some extent
- LDS members are expected to comply with civil law and respect civil authorities

I could be wrong about all that but I've never found the typical Mormon prepping behavior to be irrational. But L and C and their associates have taken things to a new and ridiculous level. They should realize if they are reading this that anyone who know the whereabouts of the kids and does not report immediately could get the death penalty. Anyone who knows the whereabouts of Lori and Chad without reporting is committing a sin in the church.

Mainstream LDS is a belief system which, while I do not agree with, is as rational as other belief systems that rely on untestable faith. What these criminals are pursuing is completely irrational!

None of the LDS beliefs are secret. Anyone can view the core principals below. Should any of the so-called "sleuths" here be bothered to read or understand, many of the comments about the rank and file LDS would have been unnecessary and/or deleted.

Articles of Faith

To quote a few relevant passages:

12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.​

 

[tresir2012]

Good question. I wonder if he was threatened by Lori that if he went through with it, she would kill him or the kids? We know she's very sick in the head, but how far would she have gone, beyond the two kids- he had older children, too. Who knows. Unfortunately, she made good with her promise to kill him- what gets me is that LE didn't find this suspicious? I mean, what the heck?

Do we even have proof that Chad is still alive, other than the lawyer's word that he is in communication with the both of them? I would imagine he must be, or his kids would be worrying by now?

This is something I cannot fully understand by LE except that Alex killed him (apparently) in self defence so they had an admission to his death. How long after his death did she escape to Idaho and the arms of Chad? We only know of the Sep 23rd last seen date - do we know when she got there? The Az Le had no cause to arrest her in July at that point it seems. MOO.

 

[nopynono]

The sept 23 date seems significant for numerous reasons. It's the date JJ is last seen and the date Valentina and Devin K Hansen last hear from Chad. It's also in the title of a youtube video in Alex Cox's new wife's playlist, vaguely talking about the 2nd coming of Christ. While I know the wife isnt a POI others have linked to where you can find her name. I think its only relevant here to shed some further light with the recent documentation questioning Lori's mental health specifically concerning her delusions about being part of Christ's return. There seems to be a lot of ritual thinking going on here, first with the sept 23 date and then with the three sets of quick marriages, two of them being in the same place, one day apart. Can anyone shed more light on the sept 23 numerology theory that might be taking place here? The youtube video specifically says its not trying to refer to the date of the rapture, but then makes rambling points that the date is still very important, with biblical references. If Lori was having religious delusions described in the fox article, what might sept 23 mean to her? Would that give any hint to where she might have taken them?

Just noticed that the LDS temple in Idaho Falls (about 40 miles away from Rexburg) was dedicated on Sept 23, 1945. There's also an address registered to AVOW in Rigby (13 miles away from Rexburg).

 

[indicolite22]

Interesting comment by KR at Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix.

I hope Lori's family is beginning to see her true colors.

 

[alter idem]

Just noticed that the LDS temple in Idaho Falls (about 40 miles away from Rexburg) was dedicated on Sept 23, 1945. There's also an address registered to AVOW in Rigby (13 miles away from Rexburg).

The Sept 23 date for the temple is coincidence. The date I believe sometimes coincides with a Jewish holiday some fringe posters I've encountered at ldsff believed the date was significant. Each year they'd predict an economic collapse, for like the last 5 years, to happen on or around the date. Then there was the 2015 blood moon at this time, then an alignment of planets. Chad's author believed the date was significant. Then when nothing happened, she claimed she didn't make any such predictions. I think Chad and lori share her and other fringe types fascination with that date.

 

[alter idem]

I agree with this. There has been a lot of digging into how the LDS Church or membership might be involved. This is despite us seeing details that suggest that Chad, Lori, and anyone who might be helping them do not respect key LDS beliefs (check out articles 12 and 13 from the Articles of Faith, for example) or LDS Officials. I am not sure why such details have been disregarded, but I feel our investigation into religious groups would be better directed towards AVOW. Chad and Lori have some deep ties in AVOW, and AVOW seems to be our best bet right now at finding anyone who might be helping to hide the missing kids.

I appreciate all the work everyone here puts in, I'm just a little confused why we're still so focused on the mainstream LDS Church.

I agree, to understand Chad and lori, look at AVOW. The dreams, visions, doomsday stuff, prepper and tent cities romanticizing obsession with end times is what appealed to them, and that's not what you find in the mainstream church.

 

[Colorado303]

Agree, and this is disturbing me as well.

I think they're grieving their mother's loss, right? I don't want to think otherwise, believe me. Yet if my mother was thought to have been murdered and her body exhumed, and now LE and the FBI have warrants to check the house and property for evidence, does bells not ring in those two children's heads, that this is real, their mother was murdered? I could see one kid being in denial, but both? They're adults, too- not young kids or teens.

On top of that, dear old Dad goes off to Hawaii after his wife's death and returns a married man, not even two weeks after the poor woman was buried. Nothing suspicious about that, either? No anger towards Dad? No loyalty to Mom- he just randomly marries a woman- did they even know Lori?

They're well aware that Lori's kids are missing- no concern for them, seeing that it appears that the last two people to have seen them alive, is Lori and their father?

Then Dad tells them he will stay in touch with them, providing they don't talk to LE? Wouldn't that be about five or six red flags that should have been raised by now, with all the deaths between Lori's ex husbands, her brother, and Tammy? We still don't know if the kids are alive?

They know as much as we do, yet strangers are more concerned about this dangerous situation then Tammy's own family?

<modsnip: There is no MSM link or MSM confirmation that individual was the daughter> I would think that possibly, they might be afraid for their father's life, the kids lives, or even their own, while Lori is hiding out with their father. Yet seeing her actions today, hearing that the son that lives there still wouldn't allow LE or the FBI to come in until they showed the warrants and threatened to knock the door down, has me a bit concerned here. Did dear old Dad have them brainwashed, too, and maybe they think Tammy's living happily ever after on a new planet? Actions speak louder than words, and their actions today, at least, are worrisome.

I’ve been inclined to give them the benefit of doubt knowing they must be hurting and their lives in turmoil, but TBH it’s getting harder.

 

[Colorado303]

Chad is how she gets caught up in all this mess. If it weren't for Chad and the nonsense he helped create there is a chance that Tammy would be alive right now.

As someone posted earlier Chad was married for 30 years to the same woman, raising children together to adulthood—all of whom can apparently be accounted for. He has a recently dead wife who he or may not have killed.

Lori has been married five times (not counting the past life marriages in her mind). Two of her ex-husbands died within a year of each other, one of whom (she said) was shot by her brother—the same brother she had dump dogs she didn’t want in the desert to die (according to JJ’s grandfather). A brother who’s also now dead under suspicious circumstances. She had a mental health institution contact LE recommending she be admitted for a 72 hour psych hold/ evaluation and told a friend it would be a good idea to drive over a cliff w/the kids. Two of which are now nowhere to be found.

I don’t think it’s out of the question that she was already in her current creepy mental space and Chad’s books “spoke to her” as being written by a kindred spirit. If that’s the case she
may have seen a purpose for Chad and plotted to glom on to him exactly the way she did.

Not saying that’s what happened, but we don’t know it wasn’t either. IMO the jury’s still out on which crazy sucked the other crazy into their vortex.

MHO

 

[wyldcynic]

Did I read mention that they thought the end of the world was July 2020? Seems like things really ramped up starting in July 2019. Then in a few months span you have Charles’ murder, disappearance (and unknown status) of the 2 kids, Tammy’s paint gun incident, Brandon’s attempted shooting, Tammy’s likely murder, Lori and Melani’s quick marriages, Alex’s suspicious death, Lori and Chad on the run.

MOO but I can see a scenario where Chad and Lori correspond, talk, and plan for the end of the world, which includes the two of them running off together. Chad perhaps thinks this is more fantasy but it becomes very real for Lori. Lori sets things in motion by manipulating Alex into shooting Charles. She is now single and the pressure is on Chad. The kids are disappeared because they saw Charles was not killed in self defense. Chad begins to use his convenient “visions” to “foresee” Tammy’s death. Either he finally goes through with it or Lori takes the lead (possibly planning the paint gun incident and Brandon’s shooting to free up Melani as well), paving the way for a quick marriage. Either Alex knew too much, was willing to talk, or was abandoned when they split town and facing the end of the world took his life.

I suspect Joseph’s earlier death was unrelated but possibly also orchestrated by Lori - a starting place for homicidal tendencies which corresponds with the 1.5 year timeframe from when Lori “changed” per reports from family. Again, MOO.

Does anyone know if Melani and her new husband are also missing?

 

[wyldcynic]

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