Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #6

[BigAl16]

From an "outsider" position I get what you are saying. Keep in mind that the "Stake or Regional" leaders are regular Joe's and Jane's, they are not allowed, authorized, or permitted to speak on behalf of the LDS church.

Comparisons to more familiar faiths break down and fall apart on this point.

No Janes, all Joes. But yes, speaking on behalf of the church in this situation would definitely be crossing the line (from a clued in outsider). MOO

 

[LHS]

DBM

 

[BigAl16]

I disagree.

When David Koresh and his groupies were outstanding the law. The Seventh-day Adventist President addressed it and him specifically even though he had not been a member for 10 years. He actually tried to intercede personally for a positive outcome.

I hear nothing from LDS

labarrons
Swinger swap case
Ruby ridge
Etc.

Potential bad PR in that it associates them with something not good in more minds. That connection is already there in a lot of minds, but (IMO, of course) they think that by acknowledging it, they are admitting some connection beyond that. And bad PR is bad for revenue.

 

[PheonixWolf]

I'm going to bet that if this was truly comparable, as in this was happening in Vatican City or even somewhere in the greater Rome metro or nearby sections of Italy, involved people who were semi-famous within the Catholic community, that the Vatican spokesperson Erico Hawkino would have more to say than "no comment, not our fault, has absolutely nothing to do with us."

Completely disagree. 25 years ago. Yes. But today? No!

 

[BigAl16]

Completely disagree. 25 years ago. Yes. But today? No!

Okay. What has changed in that 25 years?

 

[PheonixWolf]

Potential bad PR in that it associates them with something not good in more minds. That connection is already there in a lot of minds, but (IMO, of course) they think that by acknowledging it, they are admitting some connection beyond that. And bad PR is bad for revenue.

Yes. It’s bad PR. But at least they tried?!

 

[PheonixWolf]

Potential bad PR in that it associates them with something not good in more minds. That connection is already there in a lot of minds, but (IMO, of course) they think that by acknowledging it, they are admitting some connection beyond that. And bad PR is bad for revenue.

Yes. It’s bad PR. But at least they tried?!

Okay. What has changed in that 25 years?

Transparency and records.

 

[LHS]

Am I correct in understanding that some of you want the church leadership to make a formal and official statement of some sort? What is it you want them to say? I'm asking out of pure desire to understand that further.

 

[BigAl16]

Yes. It’s bad PR. But at least they tried?!

The difference in a church and a corporation should be caring more about what is good and right and might help than profits for the corporation. But based on my observation, not all churches got the memo.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

No Janes, all Joes. But yes, speaking on behalf of the church in this situation would definitely be crossing the line (from a clued in outsider). MOO

Well I guess we should give up hope that they will do the right thing. Too busy being a corporate entity to try to save a couple of children from a dangerous situation. Tell me again about stewardship? Never mind. Moo.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Am I correct in understanding that some of you want the church leadership to make a formal and official statement of some sort? What is it you want them to say? I'm asking out of pure desire to understand that further.

What would you say?

 

[txl]

No Janes, all Joes. But yes, speaking on behalf of the church in this situation would definitely be crossing the line (from a clued in outsider). MOO

Let's examine the titles and roles for women in the LDS church. Relief Society "President". Young Women's "President". Primary "President". We can go on like this for those serving at the local level to those serving global communities. Those unfamiliar with the status and authority of the women that take on these roles and responsibility might assume an authority and obligation to speak for the LDS church would be, understandably, mistaken.

Same goes for "Executive Secretary". Sounds important, but this guy keeps notes, manages a calendar, and reminds people of the appointments on that calendar. Probably, just guessing here, has less work or status than my much loved and valued administrative assistant.

 

[Friday Fan]

I disagree.

When David Koresh and his groupies were outstanding the law. The Seventh-day Adventist President addressed it and him specifically even though he had not been a member for 10 years. He actually tried to intercede personally for a positive outcome.

I hear nothing from LDS

labarrons
Swinger swap case
Ruby ridge
Etc.

Ruby Ridge wasn't an LDS thing. They thought the Weavers were involved in Aryan Nations church. I don't know if he was LDS or what, but the feds thought he was part of Aryan Nations.

 

[PheonixWolf]

Am I correct in understanding that some of you want the church leadership to make a formal and official statement of some sort? What is it you want them to say? I'm asking out of pure desire to understand that further.

Yes. I would.
I know Chad believes at least that the church will rely upon him in the last days. So he still believes in a god instructed sense of hierarchy.

I am oils like them to ask him to cooperate at the very least.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

Welcome RS. Do you recall seeing Lori and Chad together at all in Rexburgh or Salem ? Have you attended any of his talks or book signings?

No on both accounts. I have never seen Lori and never saw Chad in person after Oct 24th.

Edit: Also no to ever attending his talks or book signings.

 

[PheonixWolf]

Ruby Ridge wasn't an LDS thing. They thought the Weavers were involved in Aryan Nations church. I don't know if he was LDS or what, but the feds thought he was part of Aryan Nations.

Well. Living in Utah. And growing up around it. I disagree respectfully.

 

[BigAl16]

Let's examine the titles and roles for women in the LDS church. Relief Society "President". Young Women's "President". Primary "President". We can go on like this for those serving at the local level to those serving global communities. Those unfamiliar with the status and authority of the women that take on these roles and responsibility might assume an authority and obligation to speak for the LDS church would be, understandably, mistaken.

Same goes for "Executive Secretary". Sounds important, but this guy keeps notes, manages a calendar, and reminds people of the appointments on that calendar. Probably, just guessing here, has less work or status than my much loved and valued administrative assistant enjoys.

Fair enough although I think the post you were responding to specifically was talking about people at the STAKE and REGIONAL level. Maybe I'm not remembering something, but don't remember females at those levels. Sure, you've got women over the relief society at the church level, so women are the heads of the women's organization, and maybe the Primary as well (women=mothers). But can't think of anything else. What am I missing?

 

[BigAl16]

Duplicate post

 

[Sillybilly]

Okay everyone, please stop the discussion of the LDS religion now and move on.

The POIs in this case are obviously not following the teachings of the LDS church and the continuing discussion of genuine LDS beliefs is simply not constructive in this case.

Thanks.

 

[Redvines86]

Okay everyone, please stop the discussion of the LDS religion now and move on.

The POIs in this case are obviously not following the teachings of the LDS church and the continuing discussion of genuine LDS beliefs is simply not constructive in this case.

Thanks.

Thank you very very much!!!