Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #7

[Rush4087]

Is it just me, or does it seem that many of the prime individuals involved in this case might share a radical belief in an end-times scenario in which divorce from a non-believer (or a not-radical-enough-believer) spouse is somehow an insufficient dissolution, especially when there exists a plan or requirement to remarry: that such a previous non-believing spouse must actually die.

And that based on this same shared radical belief, the subsequent remarriage of one radical-believer to another radical-believer may be more of a mandatory requirement (that must be carried out with haste?) of the belief system, rather than a union between two people who love each other.

I think (but am not sure) that in this case, all of the ex-spouses of radical-believers who then later quickly remarried other radical-believers, have either died (were possibly murdered) or survived a murder attempt. The list of those who died includes JR (he actually may or may not belong in this category), CV, TD, and even AC (I guess we should watch to see if ZP quickly remarries..). There may be others.

The murder attempt of course was on BB. But even in BB's case, following the attempt on his life in Oct. (a crime for which there is no evidence yet implicating his spouse/ex-spouse) there's perhaps evidence that MB was or is trying to track him down (after BB took his children and went into hiding, MB was arrested for trespassing at BB's parents farm). If indeed these incidents are not just coincidences, and if they perhaps are related to a radical-belief system similar to what I've described, IP's ex-spouse (who I believe has previously obtained a protection order against her husband) may also be in danger.

If there is something to this though, so far it seems to be strictly related to marriages - specifically those between a radical-believer and a non (or not-radical-enough) believer. There have been no similar "coincidental" events (that I have read about) which might indicate that other immediate family members could be in danger - unless you believe that Tylee and JJ's disappearance is suspicious in this same way (say, versus their being sent to a secret prepper/cult commune or something). Just an observation

 

[Onsdag]

Yes, that is what I heard. Fox 10 has the new video up so everyone can watch. Body camera shows aftermath of 2019 shooting that killed Charles Vallow

Some quick observations from the video - all moo.
Police body cam timestamps:
15:43:30 First responding officers make contact with AC as he exits home. No sign of LV or CV's red rental vehicle (presumably having taken JJ to school?).
15:45:20 fire/medical arrive on scene and enter home.
15:46:00 fire/medical performing CPR on CV.
15:47:10 AC explains to officers that LV took CV's rental car and left the scene (with kids).
15:48:38 - 15:49:30 officer begins looking for CV's wallet to gather more info on victim (apparently CV's wallet isn't on him? Did he leave it in the vehicle? Did LV take it from him?)
15:49:38 officer shuts down body cam but stays on scene long enough to finish securing it by putting up crime scene tape (according to his police report filed later).
15:58:?? LV (with TR in tow but no sign of JJ - dropped off at school?) had returned to the scene by this time and was being interviewed by another officer in front of a red vehicle (presumably CV's rental).
16:00:?? LV is still being interviewed in front of the red vehicle. Fire truck is now gone and another officer can be seen in the background taking down crime scene tape and opening the road to traffic.

Questions/Observations I have:

From the time officers first arrive on scene until they can be seen later taking down the crime scene tape and clearing the area as though they're getting ready to leave is about 17 minutes. Can they really do all they need to in that short a period?!? How long would it normally take to investigate a death, especially a homicide, and clear the scene? Surely not 17 minutes, right?!?

LV was gone from the house for at least 15 minutes, from the time officers first arrived until she is seen being interviewed by them. Presumably she took JJ to school as that was CV's purpose in coming that morning and JJ isn't seen during the interviews. What school was JJ enrolled in? Where was it located and how far a drive is it to/from the house? What time did the school start? How long would it have taken to drop JJ off at school and return home? Not knowing the answer to any of these questions, but having worked with special needs people before, I can only imagine it would have taken much longer than the 15 minutes we know about, which leads me to believe that the shooting may have taken place much sooner, possibly giving people time to come up with stories and defenses. Moo, obviously. I believe the police report stated the time of death was around 8:20 in the morning, whereas the first responding officers arrived on scene around 8:43? Why would there be a 23 minute discrepancy from shots fired until officers are notified and arrive on scene? Unless again the parties involved took time to stage the scene and/or planned their stories? Heavy speculation and wondering here on my part.

In the 911 recording it almost sounds like AC is intentionally dropping the "self-defense" phrase. When the officer questioned him on why it came to this he said he didn't know, but that CV was "enraged." These words and phrases almost seem calculated to paint a certain narrative instead of simply explaining what happened. Especially as his voice seems rather calm and collected instead of emotionally distraught (he was just in a life or death fight and ended up taking someone's life!) as one might expect. Does his voice and reactions seem normal to anyone else for someone who just killed another person? I honestly don't know, but it all seems strange to me.

LV also seems rather calm and composed in her interview. Actually, if I'm being honest, she almost sounds disinterested, like she could care less that someone just died (and it was her husband no less!). Am I just reading into things? Furthermore, the sky is overcast but she's wearing sunglasses, almost as though she didn't want people to look into her eyes (she also looks down and not into the face of the officer interviewing her)?

Contrast the body language of AC and LV now with that of TR(?). Even though they blurred her you can clearly tell she is distraught - she's holding herself, fidgeting, and her face is very clearly flushed red with emotion. I don't want to assign any interpretation to any of this, but in my own opinion TR seems rather upset, and it's real and raw for her. Unlike LV and AC who seem rather unfazed and unbothered by the whole situation. Again, moo.

 

[Onsdag]

DBM - duplicate

 

[snoflake20]

dbm

 

[tresir2012]

We know that JJ played there, up until Sept. 23rd, with the neighbor kids.
Maybe Lori left JJ’s ball there on purpose to make it seem like JJ was there more recently?
Maybe it wasn’t Chad that LE spoke to during the welfare check, but rather Alex?

I think LE would know whether they spoke to Chad or Alex. Why do you think it was Alex?

 

[jjenny]

So reportedly Alex had a house in the area. Why exactly would he stay at Lori's where he had to sleep on the mattress on the floor?

 

[jjenny]

Yeah. When the police ask AC what happened he talks about CV being mad because LV wouldn't give him his phone back. I thought this was strange because according to the divorce papers that were rescinded, LV had stolen like 35 grand from him a few months before the shooting. But he was "enraged" because she had his cellphone? Seems a little odd.

And how did she manage to take his phone? Seems like it was done when he was alive, otherwise how would he become enraged? So how would she manage to take a phone from a grown man?

 

[jjenny]

On another note, I’m guessing Alex and Lori were both not working that day. I think it’s been awhile since Lori worked, but how about Alex? When did he normally work?

Alex is reportedly a long haul driver, but it was said on this board and I don't have an msm source for it. Lori used to be a hairdresser, but why work if you have a rich hubby?

 

[jjenny]

I'm not saying I believe CV was "enraged" but it doesn't seem odd to me that Lori might try to steal his phone and refuse to give it back. CV reportedly recorded one of Lori's crazy rants on a phone call she made to him and he may have had that saved on his phone. KW said that recording was deleted and I wondered how it got deleted (she didn't elaborate). I don't think CV would delete that recording even if he hoped to reconcile with Lori in the future. Lori would delete it, however. MOO.

How is it not odd? How would she even manage to get the phone away from him? Of course if he doesn't have his phone, he can't even call 911.

 

[tresir2012]

Is it just me, or does it seem that many of the prime individuals involved in this case might share a radical belief in an end-times scenario in which divorce from a non-believer (or a not-radical-enough-believer) spouse is somehow an insufficient dissolution, especially when there exists a plan or requirement to remarry: that such a previous non-believing spouse must actually die.

And that based on this same shared radical belief, the subsequent remarriage of one radical-believer to another radical-believer may be more of a mandatory requirement (that must be carried out with haste?) of the belief system, rather than a union between two people who love each other.

I think (but am not sure) that in this case, all of the ex-spouses of radical-believers who then later quickly remarried other radical-believers, have either died (were possibly murdered) or survived a murder attempt. The list of those who died includes JR (he actually may or may not belong in this category), CV, TD, and even AC (I guess we should watch to see if ZP quickly remarries..). There may be others.

The murder attempt of course was on BB. But even in BB's case, following the attempt on his life in Oct. (a crime for which there is no evidence yet implicating his spouse/ex-spouse) there's perhaps evidence that MB was or is trying to track him down (after BB took his children and went into hiding, MB was arrested for trespassing at BB's parents farm). If indeed these incidents are not just coincidences, and if they perhaps are related to a radical-belief system similar to what I've described, IP's ex-spouse (who I believe has previously obtained a protection order against her husband) may also be in danger.

If there is something to this though, so far it seems to be strictly related to marriages - specifically those between a radical-believer and a non (or not-radical-enough) believer. There have been no similar "coincidental" events (that I have read about) which might indicate that other immediate family members could be in danger - unless you believe that Tylee and JJ's disappearance is suspicious in this same way (say, versus their being sent to a secret prepper/cult commune or something). Just an observation

I think it could be a much simpler motive of money. Did they have life insurance and assets for example?

 

[dkryder]

first, MOO/speculation, maybe lori asked her brother to stay there under the guise of needing protection from CV. CV arrives at house and lori says something to CV like let me take picture of you and kids, CV gives lori his phone. lori maybe takes a couple photos and also factory resets CV's phone. CV gets mad. brother gets involved, and kills CV. general comment, i'm not really surprised that lori's (the god) room is the only one that looks "normal". everybody else was just baggage. she could have been living in a 1 bedroom but then she would have been bothered by the mess of everyone else in the living room.

 

[303gmf]

Absolutely. They aren't unique in this with the possible exception that priesthood is much broader here, virtually every devout male 12 or over "has the priesthood" as opposed to just congregation leaders, for example.

Complete with your own planet if born with male parts !?

 

[303gmf]

Not sure if answering this is going to turn into a problem, but the short answer is it depends on what is "leadership." As a rule the vast majority of leadership positions and those at the highest level are only filled by those who are "priesthood holders" and those are only men.

Yep! Could be the 1950’s

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I was so hoping for a "level 3 dark spirits" explanation. *disappointed*

I don't know about level three, but I would say anyone who takes out their spouse and disappears their children, is a Level 10 Dark Spirit. No question!

 

[Alpha Bravo]

You forgot " Be sure and pay to look behind the important curtains, fellow believers and visionaries.".......LOL !........moo

The midgets are running that place, not the Wizard of Oz!

 

[Alpha Bravo]

As long as my phone is on, GPS is working....It even works in airplane mode. (Airplane mode is a handy tip for those conserving batteries!)

Of course, Lori could have ditched her phone for a prepaid phone or something too.

Yeah, if they followed the Warren Jeffs' fugitive fiasco, they know the drill: Burner phones, cash, prepaid cards... gifted cars from others... places of hiding... it's all fun and games until someone drops a nut and they get busted and spend life in prison.

 

[jjenny]

Also, Lori took JJ from the scene and I don't think JJ was ever questioned. Per grandparents, JJ has a really great memory. He could have seen that whole thing.

 

[tresir2012]

Body camera shows aftermath of 2019 shooting that killed Charles Vallow

"Cox shot Charles in "Self-defense" after being hit with a baseball bat. Cox told investigators that it didn’t occur to him to remain in the room and call police. Cox reported the shooting to 911.


"I got in a fight with my brother-in-law. and I shot him in self-defense," said Cox, in a 911 call obtained by FOX 10.

According to police records, Cox performed CPR on Vallow, and answered questions from investigators.

"What happened today? How did it get to this?" a police officer asked, in the video.

"I don't know. He was enraged," Cox replied.

In a police video, Cox told investigators that the two children and their mother had left the house shortly before the shooting occurred.

"It was over my sister. He was getting physical with her, so my niece came out with her bat and he took the bat away with her," Cox said.

"Wait a minute. I thought you said your niece left?" the officer asked.

"She did. this was before," Cox replied.

Moments later, Cox said he grabbed Charles from behind, and they fell to the ground. When Cox gets back up, he explains how he gets hit in the back on the head.

"I turned around and he hit me in the back of the head with the bat, so I went to my room and got my gun, 'cause I always carry it," Cox said.

Cox told officers he warned Charles to drop the bat before shooting him twice in the chest. Bodycam footage shows the investigation inside the home, as police find Charles' body on the ground

Lori returned to the scene in Charles' rental car and met with police. However, Chandler Police officials redacted the audio of the officer's interaction.

The report, however, said moments before the shooting, Lori heard the gunshot and walked from the kitchen to the living room to find Charles' body. Then she checks on the kids in the car. She almost went back inside before ultimately driving off.

Moments later, her brother called 911."

Sounds more likely to me that AC hurt the back of his head when he grabbed Cox from behind and they fell to the floor.

So Tylee brought the bat out of her room and CV grabbed it. Then AC gets CV around the neck and they fall to floor. AC gets up, CV hits him on the back of head and AC goes and gets his gun from his bag and shoots CV. Is that right? So AC grabs CV round the neck first. So it is self defense for CV isn't it?

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

Body Cam

Thanks for that. So Alex says Tylee got the bat out, Charles took it away and popped Alex... all while Tylee was ... out in the car? Mkay then! Not buying the story.

Thinking the poor kids witnessed at least part of it if not all.

 

[tresir2012]

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