Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #7

[jjenny]

Lori took Charles' rental car. How did she get the keys? Looks like Charles had no ID on him when police arrived. So was his wallet taken from his dead body? Or when he was still alive? Or did he leave his wallet in the car?
His phone was somehow taken when he arrived, and as such he couldn't even call for help.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Oh my gosh. Did you guys watch the video of police body cameras?

time: was it 3:45 pm?
He says 4 shots?
Lori is gone!
Alex I think says that Lori might be in Charles car? What did he say?

Well that explains some of it... The kids were not in Lori's car, as soon as Charles was killed she took the keys off him and loaded the kids in his rental car. Used his gas, and what? He wont need it anymore! These people are cold as ice.

 

[lurker042]

I keep thinking about this because I’m Tammy’s age, and I’ve gone into respiratory arrest in the middle of the night, and my kids had to call an ambulance (I was very sick with a respiratory infection and only have one lung due to resection of tumors, as well as asthma). When you can’t breathe (from a coughing fit) you wake up, you get help. You certainly would shake or kick the person next to you in bed, and show them that they need to call 911. If one collapsed on the floor, it would make a loud noise and the person near you would hear it and wake up alarmed and get help. Chad just say Tammy died peacefully in her sleep, but there is nothing peaceful about suffocating from a lung infection or asthma- I suppose unless you are heavily drugged with respiratory depressants. What I wonder is if Tammy was suffocated, by Chad, will the autopsy be able to show if she struggled, etc. at this point, or would it look the same inside as someone who suffocated from say, an asthma attack?

Well Tammy was training for a marathon. So I would say that she did not have a respiratory issue. 2 different strories were told about her death. That she died peacefully in her sleep and that she was coughing and vomitting during the night and was found on the floor in the morning dead. That, in itself, is telling of man that is trying to hide something.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I did a couple of screenshots. One of the bat, I cropped out Charles and one of the car in garage- which looks like an infinity to me? Someone tell me if they aren’t ok to share.


ETA::: I’m not convinced what car that is. I take back infinity.

One thing I find hilarious, and shows Lori's attitude, she had taken Charles' Ford truck, and then when he shows up in a rental to pick up JJ and they kill him, she takes that too.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

It looks like Lori was in the process of moving out of there.

I think they never fully moved in. They were evicted the next month.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I wasnt able to find out any rental info from Zillow, but the house has been on the market since November.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5531-S-Four-Peaks-Pl-Chandler-AZ-85249/59261947_zpid/

The house looks nice on the outside but the paint in the br and the entry tile, yuck! Rip it out

 

[CSIDreamer]

I think they never fully moved in. They were evicted the next month.

I wonder what furniture they actually had. You can see they were using the great room with the sofa. This may be what she was able to get from Charles. No opinion either way. Jmo.

 

[Trouble1321075]

Its bizarre to me that so many people are unlocatable.
Lori and her new husband
The two kids
The niece and her new husband
ACs widow???
How do 5 or 6 people just vanish without any leads to follow?
I feel like there has to be more than what the police are sharing. I would think they would have wanted posters and media apperances canvassing suspected areas asking for the publics help. I find it really hard to believe these people covered their tracks perfectly.

The other thing im wondering is do we actually know the kids didnt disappear before CV was killed. When was the last time anyone physically saw them?
Are we just assuming they were there because lori and her brother claimed it?

 

[jjenny]

We know the kids didn't disappear before CV was killed. JJ was in school in Idaho until September 23rd. Tylee was interviewed after Charles was killed.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Its bizarre to me that so many people are unlocatable.
Lori and her new husband
The two kids
The niece and her new husband
ACs widow???
How do 5 or 6 people just vanish without any leads to follow?
I feel like there has to be more than what the police are sharing. I would think they would have wanted posters and media apperances canvassing suspected areas asking for the publics help. I find it really hard to believe these people covered their tracks perfectly.

The other thing im wondering is do we actually know the kids didnt disappear before CV was killed. When was the last time anyone physically saw them?
Are we just assuming they were there because lori and her brother claimed it?

Tylee is on a police body cam the day CV was killed. She was interviewed as a witness.

 

[fred&edna]

Its bizarre to me that so many people are unlocatable.
Lori and her new husband
The two kids
The niece and her new husband
ACs widow???
How do 5 or 6 people just vanish without any leads to follow?
I feel like there has to be more than what the police are sharing. I would think they would have wanted posters and media apperances canvassing suspected areas asking for the publics help. I find it really hard to believe these people covered their tracks perfectly.

The other thing im wondering is do we actually know the kids didnt disappear before CV was killed. When was the last time anyone physically saw them?
Are we just assuming they were there because lori and her brother claimed it?

I think it's strange, too... the fact that Lori and Chad haven't been found. How long have they been in hiding now?

However, Tylee and JJ were alive when Charles was murdered on July 11, and JJ was seen at school Sept 23.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Charles did say that Lori had sold or given away all his belongings and furnishings. Does JJ have a space in this home? I didn’t see any toys at all.

Oh so maybe that's why it's bare. Down to the mattresses, nothing much there. Why not? She said Jesus was coming soon, so having money in the bank is better? That part is hard to figure. Having money or furnishings, either way, you can't take it with you. You just use it till you don't any more. Why unload all your stuff and eat and sleep on the floor while you wait? Guess she was testing her own faith. Nice Ford truck tho. Dang

 

[Friday Fan]

From the body cam video, Lori acts so non-chalant. Like it's "just another day with my beaitiful hair" ...



I am also curious what time JJs school started. Probably would not be hard to find. He would have been enrolled in Spec Ed summer services of some type.
Another poster was familiar with AZ programs. 8:30 seems a bit on the late side for elementary though.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

He's been great! And, I previously chastised AZ reporters for not digging into the Vallow murder. I'm happy he proved me wrong!

Fox10 in phoenix is great. I follow them on Youtube and they often have full LA car chases recorded. Of course I often skip toward the end, for the satisfying perp takedown. YAY!

 

[Gardener1850]

Was the full 911 call from Alex released? I only heard part of it last night in a news video. TIA.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I caught the Justin Lum Fox 10 update and, if I heard correctly, the argument began when Lori refused to give Charles his cell phone. Anyone else see/hear this?

Yeah.. Lori drains his bank account, takes his Ford truck, sells and gives away all his belongings including furniture... and somehow manages to steal his phone too? Then steals his rental car after they kill him... Full on emasculation. Charles, you've been had!

 

[ur_in_a_cult]

It was sent to me by private message, no idea where it is from. I thought folks here would know more.

It's from a Facebook group discussing the case. That was posted last night around dinnertime.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

What’s this all about?

Knowing the multi level marketing and holistic methods abounding in Utah, she could have been taking any number of unmarked capsules, which are easy to open and change ingredients.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Well Tammy was training for a marathon. So I would say that she did not have a respiratory issue. 2 different strories were told about her death. That she died peacefully in her sleep and that she was coughing and vomitting during the night and was found on the floor in the morning dead. That, in itself, is telling of man that is trying to hide something.

I'm curious how he would even know? Either he was there (and/or others were) and should have summoned help if she was in distress....or he and everyone else who lived there was asleep / elsewhere and can't really speak to the specific circumstances. I hope that she truly did die very peacefully, without any fear and without any struggle.

 

[fred&edna]

The more I read, see and hear... Chad and Lori are in hiding for self-serving, and bordering-on-criminal if not outright criminal reasons. The anti-government excuse (the only excuse touted by some cult-buddies) is simply an excuse - and a very thin one at that. I don't even know how anyone can play devils advocate nor even give them benefit of the doubt.

Also, I feel that Charles' family has known the things we are just now seeing (police reports, etc) for awhile, and possibly they have to relive the murder every time additional information is released to us (the public). They must feel terrible grief and frustration.

I hope LE is getting closer to finding Chad and Lori. I wish there was something more we could do to help.

JMO