Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #7

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #721
Since we will never know what happened to Joseph Ryan, I just get the feeling unraveling this incident with Charles will help solve the entire puzzle. I could be wrong. But in about 4 months time we have:

Charles murdered
Jj and Tylee disappear
BB gets shot at
Paintball gun incident with Tammy
Tammy dies
Fast marriage
Lori and Chad disappear -on the run
Alex dies

That's a lot of coincidence if it isn't all related. Jmo.
Exactly. This case has turned into alleged serial killings besides the disappearances... and the kids are only part of it, regardless of the headline. The details of the evil acts pulled on 4 spouses bode ominously for the children.
 
  • #722
I just realized something too listening to the 911 call on with Gray.

Alex tells 911 hesitates and says “I don’t know where she is I think she took her son to school”

but he tells LE on scene that she left and he knew that!
I think Lori was in the house when Charles got shot. That seems to be supported by what she reportedly told police, that she was in the kitchen. But Alex claims she was gone, and makes that claim when interrogated by police officer on the scene. Ever the good brother, that he is. By the way he claims Charles came at him with a bat, yet bat is not right near the body. He also had time to wash his wound before calling police, so no urgency there if Charles were still alive. Yet when dispatcher instructs him to do CPR, he agrees to do it (even though I presume he had to know Charles was dead, and sure wasn't in a hurry to call 911 if he had time to wash his wound).
 
  • #723
My line of thinking is that whatever happened in that house in July has everything to do with why Tylee and JJ are being hidden. If anything, I would think it is possible that Tylee and JJ were actually witnesses to everything that occurred in the house. It is also possible that Tylee's involvement in the events are different than what Alex had to say. Knowing what Tylee had to say to investigators would tell us more. But at a minimum, knowing what Lori had to say might shed more light on what the situation may be with the kids.
Think about this one. It's known Lori and Alex have no filter, engaging in a screaming match in public, in the street in front of neighbors. Who else thinks they argued about their evil deeds, if not in front of the kids, at least in earshot? They knew too much! :(
 
  • #724
Has anyone ever determined where Lori actually was from January 2019-March 2019 when she was missing:
Lori vanished for 58 days. Charles had no idea where she was. (Post Register - Documents detail what led up to the Vallows' divorce filing)
It was when she returned that Charles withdrew his divorce filing.
Questions:
Where was she?
What made Charles think she wanted to reconcile?
Was there a motive or plan on her part to feign reconciliation?

I think I read somewhere that her friend said she didn’t want to get divorced again. I would imagine that all these failed marriages weighted on her emotional state. Finding Chad as her soulmate may have send her into a delusional tailspin.

It would be helpful to know if the police found Tylee truthful when they spoke to her at the Vallow crime scene.
 
  • #725
I want to go ahead and add to this in case it disappears. From our timeline we have that Chad was speaking at an event in Rexburg this same day. Source was pap flyer. We should figure out if that’s right or one changed? From our timeline:

16 Feb 2019 – Chad Speaks at a Preparing A People event in Rexburg ID (PAP Flyer).


From quote:


View attachment 226008
The event will be held at: The Millcreek Elementary School 500 North Middleton Road Middleton, Idaho

Acknowledging local request for a question & answer fireside, Hector Sosa, Jr granted that request for the date of February 15, 2019, the Friday evening before event on Saturday. The fireside will be held at the same location at 6:30 p.m.

Sorry, I don't know why I put Rexburg. From what I can tell from various advertisements online this was a two day PAP event in Boise/Middleton. I'm not sure why different ads say different locations (one says Boise and one says Middleton). But Chad was only advertised as speaking on Feb 16th. I'll update that in the timeline. I think it's very likely that Lori was with Chad in Idaho during this event. Charles' divorce attorney said they tried to serve Lori with papers and even checked a PAP event she was supposed to be attending, but they couldn't find her:

Charles' former attorneys tried to serve an Order of Protection against Lori last winter, but could never find her.

"I think she had a talk or a conference with Preparing A People, and we're just not ever able to find her and serve her," said Larson.


Lawyers: Husband of Lori Vallow made prediction on who will kill him months before he died
 
  • #726
Sorry, I don't know why I put Rexburg. From what I can tell from various advertisements online this was a two day PAP event in Boise/Middleton. I'm not sure why different ads say different locations (one says Boise and one says Middleton). But Chad was only advertised as speaking on Feb 16th. I'll update that in the timeline. I think it's very likely that Lori was with Chad in Idaho during this event. Charles' divorce attorney said they tried to serve Lori with papers and even checked a PAP event she was supposed to be attending, but they couldn't find her:

Charles' former attorneys tried to serve an Order of Protection against Lori last winter, but could never find her.

"I think she had a talk or a conference with Preparing A People, and we're just not ever able to find her and serve her," said Larson.


Lawyers: Husband of Lori Vallow made prediction on who will kill him months before he died

Middleton is Boise metro, so either one is good. The key is that neither is very close to Rexburg.
 
  • #727
In the report, in the synopsis at the very top, it says Alex "committed second degree murder."

Maybe they are still investigating?
OH SNAP!! GOOD CATCH!! And that report was printed January 2020 so clearly yes, they are still investigating, which is what LE told the media, but that doesn't always mean anything MOO.
 
  • #728
Charles death is listed as manner of death: Homicide at AZ OME. It won't copy but you can find it at the link. First name Leland.

Home Page - OME Case Status
 
  • #729
Yea, he clearly makes a claim there that his sister left before he killed Charles. Charles supposedly came after him again after Lori left? Which makes sense to exactly who?
Charles came to pick up JJ. Lori left with JJ and Tylee yet Charles stayed at the house? Why would he allow Lori leave with JJ in his rental car and stay in the house, when his goal was to pick up JJ? And then he decided to come after Alex?
Great questions. I'm wondering what took Alex 5 minutes to call 911. I feel like Alex definitely had to have called Lori/spoke to Lori (depending on which narrative you believe) before he called 911. Lori places herself at the crime scene in her own words to LE, then she left after Alex shot Charles. Why would she say that if it weren't true?? Why put yourself there, if didn't happen? So obviously in MOO Alex was lying when he told LE Lori left before the shots went off, which tells me they aren't very smart to not get their stories completely straight before calling 911.
 
  • #730
Great questions. I'm wondering what took Alex 5 minutes to call 911. I feel like Alex definitely had to have called Lori/spoke to Lori (depending on which narrative you believe) before he called 911. Lori places herself at the crime scene in her own words to LE, then she left after Alex shot Charles. Why would she say that if it weren't true?? Why put yourself there, if didn't happen? So obviously in MOO Alex was lying when he told LE Lori left before the shots went off, which tells me they aren't very smart to not get their stories completely straight before calling 911.

I just wish the LE investigating had been "smarter" somehow. I'm 100% supportive of LE but I can't grasp any logic here. Jmo.
 
  • #731
Case was deemed self-defense. So Alex and Lori were in the clear. Even now, police claims they look at the case as self-defense and only keep it open to assist with missing children investigation. So there would be no reason to hide the kids over this case.
Well according to the police report printed January 2020, Alex was being investigated for 2nd degree murder so there's many a reason to hid the kiddos.
 
  • #732
2nd degree murder AZ.

Although less severe than the penalties for first-degree murder, a conviction for second degree murder in Arizona carries with it a mandatory prison sentence in the Arizona Department of Corrections for a minimum of 10 years and a maximum of 22.

Arizona Second-Degree Murder Law - FindLaw

Question is was AC aware that they were going to charge him? I think so but can't say for sure. It would definitely be incentive to move to ID and possibly suicide or murder. The 2nd degree murder charge was filed August 1st, I believe.
 
  • #733
2nd degree murder AZ.

Although less severe than the penalties for first-degree murder, a conviction for second degree murder in Arizona carries with it a mandatory prison sentence in the Arizona Department of Corrections for a minimum of 10 years and a maximum of 22.

Arizona Second-Degree Murder Law - FindLaw

Question is was AC aware that they were going to charge him? I think so but can't say for sure. It would definitely be incentive to move to ID and possibly suicide or murder. The 2nd degree murder charge was filed August 1st, I believe.

I didn't realize he was actually charged. I wonder why they didn't arrest him at that time? He was right there. Jmo
 
  • #734
I didn't realize he was actually charged. I wonder why they didn't arrest him at that time? He was right there. Jmo
My guess is they bought his initial self defense story, plus would need to gather additional evidence to charge him with murder? MOO
 
  • #735
Not sure if AZ had it blessed by the prosecutors office yet so he may not have known yet. If he was being questioned often after CV was shot, he might have felt the pressure for sure.

The one officer asked him why he didn't stay in the room to make sure what level of homicide it would be. 1st or 2nd degree murder. It's police procedure and not feeding him answers.

jmo
 
  • #736
Charles death is listed as manner of death: Homicide at AZ OME. It won't copy but you can find it at the link. First name Leland.

Home Page - OME Case Status
Homicide simply means that someone died at the hands of someone else. Homicide is a medical term. The type of homicide (self defense, neglient etc) which is a legal term isn't indicated. Usually the DA determines the type of homicide. It doesn't mean that Alex was going to be charged.

Also we can't view the autopsy report. How many bullets? Evidence of compressions? Was the body moved? etc.

ETA: Self defense is considered homicide.

Here are the manner of deaths in the US
 
Last edited:
  • #737
Homicide simply means that someone died at the hands of someone else. The type of homicide isn't indicated. Usually the DA determines the type of homicide. It doesn't mean that Alex was going to be charged.
Also we can't view the autopsy report. How many bullets? Evidence of compressions? Was the body moved? etc.

Here are the manner of deaths in the US

I'm aware of that but there are 2nd charges for AC.
 
  • #738
I'm working on updating the timeline. Does anyone know what date Charles (and JJ) returned to AZ to try to make things with Lori work out? I have down that he dropped the divorce and moved back to Texas with JJ in March 2019. But by June 2019 Charles and Lori rented a new house in Chandler together (according to the landlord JP). The house they rent in June is where CV was shot in July. I'm going to write it as CV went back to AZ in approx May/June 2019 with a question mark on the exact date, unless anyone knows a more specific date or time frame. TIA.
 
  • #739
How would moving to another state prevent someone from being charged? Furthermore Alex returned to AZ, as we all know he died there. If he had concerns about being charged, and that could only be done if he lived in AZ, why did he return there?

MOO
Another poster mentioned this, maybe FridayFan?, that the burden of proof is high for a Stand your Ground Law/self defense case. LE most likely needed to gather more evidence/interviews before they could charge. I'm sure Lori and Alex were not cooperative and maybe this is also why Tylee decided to move to Idaho. We saw in the article about Lori/Charles divorce, how difficult it was for Charles just to have Lori served divorce papers.

Here's a list of the movements we may know about based on reporting/GH youtube, etc:

Alex stayed with Lori after the shooting for a few days according to neighbors
Alex left the country after shooting (supposedly Columbia) GH Youtube
Moved with Lori to Rexburg in early Sept.
Drove to AZ to shoot at Brandon in late Sept./early October
Went back to Rexburg (I'm assuming he was the masked "paintball" gun guy) Mid October
Went to Vegas to marry new wife (she lives in AZ, so maybe he drives to AZ? or she meets him in Vegas?) Late Nov.
Back to AZ to live with new wife, Early Dec.

LE wouldn't know that Alex had new wife and was staying there. They probably were just keeping an eye on his San Tan Valley house, or maybe even thought Alex was still in Idaho in December. LE definitely should have done a better job the day of the shooting, MOO

edit: Just realized the "custody dispute" is probably what you tell people, instead of "murder investigation"
 
Last edited:
  • #740
Well according to the police report printed January 2020, Alex was being investigated for 2nd degree murder so there's many a reason to hid the kiddos.

It is interesting, that there is almost no information about the death of Alex Cox. No obituary? I couldn't find much. I think that his whereabouts and death are very much a part of this mystery about the children.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
123
Guests online
2,276
Total visitors
2,399

Forum statistics

Threads
633,647
Messages
18,645,709
Members
243,634
Latest member
amandalulunonomy314@gmail
Back
Top