Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #18

[WhereIsWaldo]

And family never gets left behind!

Apparently, the minor children in the family are “missing “ or left behind...somewhere. Ohana!

 

[Owutatangledweb]

No, I don’t believe this is true. LV was married to CV for more than ten years and CD was married to TD for more than ten years. MOO

Go to SSA.gov. Remarrying before a certain age and/or within a certain time disqualifies.

 

[Jethro4WS]

In all her orange glory...

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
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Geez, one night in the hoosegow looks like it put a lot of miles on her.

 

[mrjitty]

Just because a cop believes it to be true and swears to it does not mean it is actually true. If he based it on discovery of the wedding pictures that's pretty weak and frankly, poor police work. RPD could easily have obtained the wedding certificate from Kauai County. If it exists it probably would be in the PC affidavit.

BIB

Not necessarily.

If this goes to a contested hearing, the state might need to exhibit evidence of "marriage" but for the purposes of this affidavit, the proof that is relevant to the inference that prosecution is inviting, is that the kids are not in the photo of a wedding type ceremony

Generally non-controversial facts will simply be accepted by both sides, especially at this stage. I agree that if they are not actually married, then the defence might contest this in the full criminal trial, but it is hard to see how its relevant at this point. e.g the defence will not contest that the kids are not in the photos, or that the photos exist.

Finally, we don't know what has been exhibited.

 

[amateursleuth19]

Does anyone know why Joshua was adopted? It looks like his bio grandparents were the ones looking for him but how did LV get involved to adopt? I adopted my nephew and it’s a lot of work and loopholes to jump thru...especially a special needs child. Were they blood related?

 

[PingTheRouter]

Geez, one night in the hoosegow looks like it put a lot of miles on her.

dont think the jail allows her to have her spray gun of foundation and concealer inside

 

[mrjitty]

We have no record of a marriage certificate. Chad in his own words said he barely knew her when first asked by police (ETA: plausible deniability). Hawaii court refers to her as Miss Vallow. I'm adding up the evidence and it equals the rumor that the marriage is not official, or in other words, a commitment ceremony. I'm not sure what else it could be.

I don't think anything turns on this point - at least at this stage.

What matters is they had some kind of ceremony, without the kids. The defence may of course claim it wasn't such a big deal as a marriage and give reasons why the kids did not attend, but then that always gets back to the issue of LV having to advance a positive version.

 

[Onsdag]

I respect your opinion of course, but to me there is a difference between someone directly contacting Chad or Lori to harass them and people posting about them on a random website. If someone who knows them stumbles across this site and is offended, trust there are much worse things being said about them than what is said here. This site is very tame. I don’t think anyone owes Chad and Lori the right to professionalism and courtesy. Where are your kids, Lori? Why did you marry Lori two weeks after your wife’s suspect and tragic death in an extravagant Hawaiian wedding, Chad?

Edit: Has someone here threatened Chad? I know that is not allowed AT ALL. Please report any post threatening someone.

No. At least not on this site that I have seen. Though there is one person I have seen making suggestive innuendos about the Hawaiian locals roughing the POI's up. I was merely giving a hypothetical example.

The examples of questions to ask Lori that you gave are, in my opinion, good examples of being professional and courteous. Nobody needs to kowtow to them. But going around calling Lori a murderer (another hypothetical example) is not fair or just as she has not been charged with the crime of murder, let alone pled guilty to such a crime. I'm not saying this is happening or anything, just giving an example of something that would (in my opinion) be crossing the line of common decency and courtesy to another human being.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Does anyone know why Joshua was adopted? It looks like his bio grandparents were the ones looking for him but how did LV get involved to adopt? I adopted my nephew and it’s a lot of work and loopholes to jump thru...especially a special needs child. Were they blood related?

JJ is the biological grandson of LW and KVW, later legally adopted by CV and LV. Check the timeline here for more information.

 

[Snoods]

dont think the jail allows her to have her spray gun of foundation and concealer inside

For all that is good and holy, someone needs to get her contraband thread and needle stat so she can stitch her orange jumpsuit into hideous leggings.

 

[amateursleuth19]

JJ is the biological grandson of LW and KVW, later legally adopted by CV and LV. Check the timeline here for more information.

I’m new to all this so thank you! There’s so much to read

 

[tresir2012]

Geez, one night in the hoosegow looks like it put a lot of miles on her.

You have a great turn of phrase.

 

[mrjitty]

This may have already come up, but do you guys think that the defense attorney will file an interlocutory appeal to the Hawaii appellate court saying that the bail is excessive? It would be the right of the defense to file such a motion even though final judgment hasn't occurred under the collateral order doctrine.

The problem with all these tactical ideas is that extradition is intentionally a fast track procedure and the local Court isn't going to look behind the charges too much. So provided you are validly charged, there is little opportunity to resist. That makes sense because the charges should be contested in the correct jurisdiction. So you could spend a lot of money on all this stuff for no reason.

In many respects LV would be much better advised to go back to Idaho, and seek get bail there.

Of course she bought all this on herself by not returning when she had the chance

 

[Snoods]

No. At least not on this site that I have seen. Though there is one person I have seen making suggestive innuendos about the Hawaiian locals roughing the POI's up. I was merely giving a hypothetical example.

The examples of questions to ask Lori that you gave are, in my opinion, good examples of being professional and courteous. Nobody needs to kowtow to them. But going around calling Lori a murderer (another hypothetical example) is not fair or just as she has not been charged with the crime of murder, let alone pled guilty to such a crime. I'm not saying this is happening or anything, just giving an example of something that would (in my opinion) be crossing the line of common decency and courtesy to another human being.

Thank you for your courteous response. I have seen a lot of speculation about the children’s fate, guilty myself, which is acceptable to a degree. However the facts of the case as we know them are not speculation and seem rather dire. At the best she has committed multiple felonies, at the worst she IS a (alleged) murderess. That can simply not be avoided any longer. I had hoped she was shuttling the children around and I still hope that is the case, but I don’t see Lori willingly doing hard time to sacrifice for her kids. We will see what charges await the Chadster.

 

[Alohaj]

Just because a cop believes it to be true and swears to it does not mean it is actually true. If he based it on discovery of the wedding pictures that's pretty weak and frankly, poor police work. RPD could easily have obtained the wedding certificate from Kauai County. If it exists it probably would be in the PC affidavit.

Let’s give LE the benefit of the doubt and some credit that they are doing their job throughly, police in their written reports don’t write facts that they haven’t verified.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Let’s give LE the benefit of the doubt and some credit that they are doing their job throughly, police in their written reports don’t write facts that they haven’t verified.

I support LE but it only takes, at most, 30-45 days, to get an official marriage certificate from an island in Hawaii. If it exists, they can find it. MOO

 

[spandangly]

I don’t want to get too biblical here but I am of the belief that it is only by the grace of God that we are prevented from committing similar evils.

I don't share this belief at all, and frankly I think it's toxic! I don't commit heinous crimes because I'm generally a decent person and respect life! This sounds to me like shirking responsibility for your own actions. Nope.

 

[Alohaj]

In Hawaii people get married by "wedding performers." You can easily become one by getting ordained online for that specific purpose. Also realize that Hawaii was an independent country with its own religion before it was illegally overthrown by the US marines on behalf of commercial interests. So the State effectively only has weak authority over things like native religion and stuff like marriage.

It's really not like the rest of the US.

I feel compelled to respectfully say that these statements are not necessarily true and will mislead people on here about Hawaii.

Just like in the mainland states, people can get ordained to perform weddings online. But I would not call them “wedding performers” here in Hawaii, that is somewhat insulting. Many of those performing weddings are local Hawaiians & I don’t think they would feel like they were “performing”.

The state of Hawaii, like any state in our 50 state union, are bound by federal laws as well. Even though there are Hawaiian activists that protest certain government things whether they be state or federal, the state still in force as its laws to all Hawaii residents. Even though it does feel like we live in a Third World country sometimes, this is still part of the United States.

To say that “the Marines” overthrew the Hawaiian government is inaccurate, and it was not a government, it was a monarchy.

Wikipedia:
”Description
The overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom began on January 17, 1893, with a coup d'état against Queen Liliʻuokalani on the island of Oahu by subjects of the Hawaiian Kingdom, United States citizens, and foreign residents residing in Honolulu. A majority of the insurgents were foreigners.” Wikipedia

 

[mrjitty]

I support LE but it only takes, at most, 30-45 days, to get an official marriage certificate from an island in Hawaii. If it exists, they can find it. MOO

Honestly - they may well have it.

Not everything gets exhibited - especially at this stage. I mean they also say where LV lived, hotels checked into etc - none of that stuff is exhibited at this point and most likely none of it will be at issue in the main trial.

 

[Alohaj]

I support LE but it only takes, at most, 30-45 days, to get an official marriage certificate from an island in Hawaii. If it exists, they can find it. MOO

I support LE but it only takes, at most, 30-45 days, to get an official marriage certificate from an island in Hawaii. If it exists, they can find it. MOO

Why is it supposed by a number of people on here that LE did not verify the marriage vs supposing that they did? My family member that is in LE always reminds me of this mantra “it’s not what you know it’s what you can prove”.