Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #19

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  • #281
Great critical thinking. I, for one, am with you on this. As someone upthread said, you can only have so many 'natural' deaths in this family. His obituary that I read had pretty much no information at least through, I believe, Legacy. It stated, if there is more information from anyone - please inform - or something to that effect.
Good Day-
I agree with your assessment entirely. As a former Nurse assisting the ME, there were cases deemed suspicious when there were several cases connecting individuals in which LE was present during certain autopsies.
 
  • #282
Speaking of looking at things in the court room, did anyone else think towards the end Lori's lawyer looked to the back of the room and up? It was like he was looking at a clock. Jmo.
I could be wrong but did anyone else think it appeared like Lori had ankle chains on? At the very end of the video when the officer is motioning her to leave, it looked like she to a couple of very small choppy steps. Was it just my imagination?
 
  • #283
here's what they said in case you are unable to see or play the video clip:

We also now have court paperwork between Lori's niece, Melani Boudreaux and her ex husband Brandon. This is significant because Brandon believes that Melani, Alex Cox, and Lori tried to kill him. These documents are for custody of Brandon and Melani's four children and in here Brandon states that Melani has knowledge of the whereabouts of JJ and Tylee. The documents also allege that Melani, at some point, said "sometimes children are full of light and then they just go dark." ... I believe Brandon, he is from here in Arizona, but I'm not sure where he's at right now. He's kinda laying low, uh, and Melani is in Idaho actually at the same apartment complex that Lori was living in right next door. Reportedly with information on the children? Yes.

You would think they could arrest Melani for SOMETHING - non payment of child support? Weak, I know.
 
  • #284
Just a question for clarity... I believe I had read that Charles was JJ's great uncle, so I have assumed that Kay and Larry were actually great-grandparents, even though we just refer to them more simply as grandparents.?? Not that critical..but if someone knows exactly, I would appreciate.

The brother of your grandparent is called your "great uncle".
 
  • #285
You would think they could arrest Melani for SOMETHING - non payment of child support? Weak, I know.
I know the feeling! I wish we could get Melani singing because she's definitely going to be privvy to a lot since this was her idolized aunt. Other than AC or Chad, I'm not sure anyone else is closer to Lori than Melani.
 
  • #286
Someone inquired earlier about what has drawn people to this case. This is my first post to the forum, although I have been lurking (okay, let's be honest, obsessing) for the past few weeks. Following these threads has been a fascinating and sometimes heartbreaking exercise, and I have learned so much from all of you.

I have an LDS background, and am familiar with many of the geographical locations associated with this case. My biggest draw to the story is the fact that I witnessed a very close family member become quickly and heavily involved in the extreme "prepper" movement -- believing in visions and end of times prophecies, tens of thousands of dollars spent on supplies, a detailed plan to head to the hills when the "calling out" occurred. These actions caused great concern to nearly everyone around them. Efforts to reason with this person generally failed. It was scary. Gratefully, over time, and after certain prophecies didn't come to fulfillment (JR the author's earthquake prediction, for example), the level of intensity/involvement for my family member lessened. They have not been closely associated with Chad & Lori's subgroup, and claim to have pulled back from being as active in AVOW and the other group for the past two years. But at the height of their involvement, it was alarming and frankly very frightening to see how quickly they became immersed in that radical mindset.

Because of that experience and what I observed, I initially held out hope that Tylee and JJ had been hidden with like-minded folks. As time has gone on, watching everything that has unfolded and with no sign of the kids, that hope has diminished. I broke down and cried yesterday after seeing Lori in court. It's finally sinking into my heart that the children are probably gone.
(my opinion only)

Thank you to those in this forum who have provided such valuable information, particularly the verified insiders. Also, huge shout-out to @Gardener1850 for the incredible job on the timeline.
Welcome to WS. Your information is valuable. You mention a Chad and Lori's sub group. What is that called and is it a sub group within the AVOW forum or separate ?
 
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I know the feeling! I wish we could get Melani singing because she's definitely going to be privvy to a lot since this was her idolized aunt. Other than AC or Chad, I'm not sure anyone else is closer to Lori than Melani.
True, at least when you can only count on those still alive.
 
  • #289
As an aside, and I realize the parents of Lori are not allowed to be sleuthed, but there were some differing opinions about whether or not her mother is dead based on Ancestry. I also thought she had died but don't believe so now. Just to clear up that little niggly item LOL.
 
  • #290
Because significant circumstantial evidence points in that direction.

There remains zero evidence they have been hidden - people only come up with that theory because of the cult angle. But it is not claimed by the accused.

Personally I will wait for the accused to claim this defence, before I will entertain it.

There is just as much evidence they were abducted.

IMO...your claim that there is no evidence they were hidden and there is equal evidence they were abducted or killed. What evidence are you referring to? I don’t think any option is off the table.
 
  • #291
I wish ongoing cases weren’t so lacking in information to the public. I’d really like to see the GPS data on all the devices of the deceased, missing, & suspects. Honestly don’t comprehend how that would impede an investigation because those are simply facts of where devices were and when.

The secrecy is just maddening- not as much as when WS doesn’t load and I slap my phone like it is an old television set-

You don't want to show all your cards. It's much easier to catch people in lies without putting the hard info out there. Remember that others could potentially be involved.
 
  • #292
Rexburg to Yellowstone is 83 miles, both ways: 166 miles. Half a tank easily, plus driving around the park to wherever. There's a highway cam on US 20 if they went that way.
Wow...I have not yet checked a map, and I didn't realize that Yellowstone was so close.
 
  • #293
Total speculation:

I have always thought that AC may have murdered JR (not that it's of any consequence at this point), and that if he did, the infamous argument he had with Lori may have been related to the murder.

Although the autopsy listed something like atherosclerosis as the cause of death, I think somehow it just became easier to say JR died of a heart attack. JR did have heart disease and high blood pressure, but as I understood things, the ME could not administer the specific test that they would typically use in an ER (to confirm that a heart attack has occurred), as it was post mortem (or maybe too long post mortem)

AC clearly hated JR. Not only did he taser JR and threaten to kill him, but he was supposedly still trying to arrange for JR to be harmed even while AC was in prison.

JR's custody battle with Lori over Tylee lasted almost 10 yrs. That's a long time for Lori to brainwash AC into thinking JR was the devil himself. Apparently, after JR's death, Lori never even notified JR's sister (who reportedly had always gotten along fine with Lori). I think JR's sister said she didn't even learn about JR's death until almost 5 wks after it happened (when someone called another Ryan relative about claiming the body).

My theory is that AC committed the crime without first discussing it with Lori, and then later surprised her by admitting the crime (perhaps thinking she'd be pleased, but she instead went ballistic, idk). Again, total speculation. The timing also seemed to fit (JR death in Dec '18, argument in early '19). Jmo
JR died in April 2018, not December 2018 (ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #19)

As far as we know it is the OR part of your statement that is true. *IF* they have a picture of any of them leaving Yellowstone, they haven't make it public that I've seen, but the other three have been seen by others since then whereas Tylee hasn't. That doesn't mean Tylee didn't leave Yellowstone and disappear on 9/9 or 9/10, only that there is no proof. (I'm kind of thinking that if they have doorbell video of JJ from the next week or two after that then if Tylee had been around they might have had video of that as well although I guess she could have only come in and left the townhouse from the back side (based on the doorbell video).
As I've mentioned before, these townhouses have front doors that face each other, and garages the are opposite. In the case of #175, there's an open driveway out from the garage. One could conceivably go in and out of the townhouse without ever stepping foot out the front door where the opposing door camera would be.

If you look at the Cox family photo of the mom, dad and four kids, Lori looks taller than her sister.

The woman in the video looks to be wearing heels and that might be why she’s flailing her arms on the snowy path. So if that’s the case, she might be more like 5’8” or so.
MOO: She's not wearing heels but flat boots for winter. (see attached).
 

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Wow...I have not yet checked a map, and I didn't realize that Yellowstone was so close.
It's usually a perk of living here. Now it seems like nightmare fuel.
 
  • #296
I think the devices and debit card were to be able to use to keep as if the kids themselves were using them but LVD was the one pretending to be them. The birth certificates really throw me what would be the reasoning to carry those around? I’ve been thinking endlessly on that and can’t come up with anything. You need them to enroll in school, to get an ID, possibly to fly if you don’t have ID for a child....
Maybe to do a change of address so she could collect social security benefits in Hawaii? If the children aren't declared dead, I think she still receives the funds?
 
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MOO: She's not wearing heels but flat boots for winter. (see attached).
Thank you for that. I was watching how she walked in the video...lol like me in heels. But maybe it was just her being cautious on the ice.
 
  • #299
I just had a totally out there Twilight Zone thought. Lori kept *with her* paperwork she could have used for replacement children. You have permission to write my thought off as insanity. Jmo
I never thought of that, not insane in this case. I was thinking she had it to access an account or open an account. Jmo
 
  • #300
The secrecy is just maddening- not as much as when WS doesn’t load and I slap my phone like it is an old television set-

Ditto. So so much!
 
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