Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #19

[indicolite22]

I have a ways to go to catch up so apologies if this idea has been posted, but don’t want to lose my train of thought. Could it just be the babysitter?

This was well after the kids' disappearance. Lori didn't need a babysitter any more.

 

[mzmarple]

As so much "seems to be exploding"... I am beginning to consider Alex as a suicide.... for HIM, the news that LE was doing the child welfare at the end of November...I think he was feeling "everything was exploding" THEN... If ZP talked she could explain his state of mind at that time... On the other hand, just as LV had tried to convince Melanie to lie, and ZP was so close to LV, and Melanie and ZP are immediate neighbors... perhaps LV just convinced ZP to do the dirty work.

BBM
Wait, how do we know ZP and Melanie are immediate neighbors? I thought the address was redacted in Alex’s 911 call/transcript? I saw a property record post awhile back that noted a Melanie Gibbs address and also a Jose Lopez address in close proximity, but I imagine there are many Jose Lopez’s in Arizona...did I miss another source that confirmed this? TIA...(and yes I’ve had to skip many posts/threads just to keep up...finally watched Dateline last night!! )

 

[PJFL]

Melani moved to Rexburg, to the same complex that Lori and Alex lived in. She obviously would have noticed that kids disappeared. So it's probably common sense that she has to know something.

Yes, but knowing the kids have disappeared and having
"knowledge of the whereabouts" of them are different. We all know they're missing, and have absolutely no clue as to their whereabouts.

Adam Herbets on Twitter

 

[Chloe_ee]

I never meant to imply I have any sympathy for him. Not one iota. But I think Lori should be burned at the stake.

I have had a lot of catching up to do on this case, I read all the posts of the time line last night - all 6 of them..(beginning pages of this thread) and as I kept reading, I was muttering to myself, omg, Chad was married for 30 years, Chad has 5 children and 3 grand children, and I knew where this was going...I said aloud several x, Chad, no..no...when I knew what was coming for Tammy...

I can't feel bad for Chad..but yes, Lori should be burned to dust.

Scrolling thru Instagram this morning I saw several Lori posts in the Instagram explore page; Lori in an orange jumpsuit saying Real Housewives of Prison Season 1...post after post destroying her..there was also a frame by frame of her looking at her attorney at the hearing Friday with her old face, and eyes widening at her attorney and I thought oh attorney..do not fall for this...she's an evil devil..

In the end, the kids are still missing, and MOO, I am not sure they will be found alive after catching up on this case .. and MOO; Lori Vallow is the most hated woman on earth right now..congratulations..

Selling JJ's disability dog .. I'm speechless over this wretched woman and hope ID has the death penalty..

 

[utahobserver]

Wow I go to bed for the first time in weeks before 2-3am and it’s taken me three hours to catch up

I’m so pleased BB has his kids in hiding. This fb post troubles me no ends. She was literally trying to rally whoever was reading to seek out B.B. and the kids. The payment worries me also and there’s potential that she may be offering the same amount (or more) even now. MOO




The way she’s referring to JJ and his lack of supervision breaks my heart. Why didn’t she just drop him off to KW and LW? I couldn’t leave my ASD son playing unsupervised until he was in his teens, we live somewhere pretty safe but you can guarantee they still find danger and are vulnerable. Even to other children/parents who cannot understand them and their needs. I know a adopted child born to addiction with similar needs to JJ and his supervision needs were even more serious than my sons. His mum couldn’t let him play out unsupervised until mid-late teens as he had no concept of danger. It make sure me feel so sad that this was the level of care these kids had. MOO


Possibly because he was too old/independent to control with her newer ideas. It’s been reported that they only became more extreme in the last few years. He was already an adult by then. Perhaps she darent trust him with it all out of fear he would blow the whistle on her? Perhaps the money sending was a way to let him think all was still good and keep him quiet? The way he has spoken out about her indicates to me she knew he would. I know full well my kids wouldn’t put up with this, they’re both legally adults and can think for themselves. They’d soon put me right if I started coming out with a lot of what’s been reported that she had said. MOO

So it seems spouses are disposed of for money to fund the cause, potentially children to save them from apocalyptic distress - where does Colby fit in. Why has he been exempt? These people are not concerned about drawing attention to themselves. The shooting of Charles and attempts on both Brandon and Tammy attest to that. Even Alex’s death and unfortunate descriptors of how he died, brought attention.

LE better be providing protection for Colby.

 

[mzmarple]

I love that they've separated them. It makes me wonder if LE has psychologists/behavioral unit advising them on strategy with this.

And I loved the persistence of the reporters following Chad out of the courtroom and around every turn.

Do they have separate lawyers now? I'm not sure if I missed discussion about this lawyer DeCosta who she informed about her vacation to Maui. Hmmm, did she also inform him about the flight to Mexico that Dateline was told about?

BBM
I finally watched Dateline last night! I wondered about the flight to Mexico, IIRC Dateline said ‘a source’ informed them of the flight to Mexico... I’m wondering if they ever actually bought tickets, or if they just told someone that was their plan...like a hotel employee or something, who then told Dateline. We know they’re both capable of lying!

 

[jjenny]

Yes, but knowing the kids have disappeared and having
"knowledge of the whereabouts" of them are different. We all know they're missing, and have absolutely no clue as to their whereabouts.

Adam Herbets on Twitter

Yea, but we weren't in close contact with Lori. We weren't hanging with her and sharing the same religious views, were we? I think it's a good bet that Melani knows a lot more than we do.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I wonder if Chad's children are starting to waver in their support of him, now that Lori is locked up and with the new revelations over the past few days.

 

[indicolite22]

So it seems spouses are disposed of for money to fund the cause, potentially children to save them from apocalyptic distress - where does Colby fit in. Why has he been exempt? These people are not concerned about drawing attention to themselves. The shooting of Charles and attempts on both Brandon and Tammy attest to that. Even Alex’s death and unfortunate descriptors of how he died, brought attention.

LE better be providing protection for Colby.

As he is no longer a minor, I think Colby was simply left behind (or left alone). So were Chad's children.

 

[ReadyorNot]

Yes and No. Beneficiaries on accounts such as retirement and other investment accounts go to the beneficiary listed, pending he never updated them I could see LV still being beneficiary. Now things like checking accounts in single name, property (personal and land) would flow through the will if there was no will yes Tylee would be first in line.

They had been divorced for 15 years, he had a bitter relationship with her. Are you really suggesting he never got around to changing it?

 

[jjenny]

And seriously, after hearing that Tylee was not seen since her trip (with Alex and Lori) to Yellowstone, i would think I have a good idea at least of Tylee's whereabouts.

 

[Hoosgirl]

I have noticed several posts about Hawaii not extraditing Chad if he is charged with murder for Tammy.

Based on my reading, I *think* that is not the case. I believe the only way it comes into play is in preventing bail.

From Hawaii codes:

§832-16 Bail; in what cases; conditions of bond. Unless the offense with which the prisoner is charged is shown to be an offense punishable by death or life imprisonment under the laws of the state in which it was committed, a judge in this State may admit the person arrested to bail by bond, with sufficient sureties, and in such sum as the judge deems proper, conditioned for the person's appearance before the judge at a time specified in the bond, and for the person's surrender, to be arrested upon the warrant of the governor of this State.

2013 Hawaii Revised Statutes :: TITLE 38. PROCEDURAL AND SUPPLEMENTARY PROVISIONS :: 832. Uniform Criminal Extradition Act :: 832-16 Bail; in what cases; conditions of bond.

But IANAL so please do correct if I am mistaken.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I am going to have to start using my laptop. I have been using my iPad and it is soooo difficult with this site. I am developing carpal tunnel and large fingertips from overuse

Your comment just took me back a step. I simply cannot imagine following this on a phone...... just amazing to me....

 

[jjenny]

As he is no longer a minor, I think Colby was simply left behind (or left alone). So were Chad's children.

Interesting that Chad's children were apparently not a part of chosen 144,000?

 

[indicolite22]

BBM
I finally watched Dateline last night! I wondered about the flight to Mexico, IIRC Dateline said ‘a source’ informed them of the flight to Mexico... I’m wondering if they ever actually bought tickets, or if they just told someone that was their plan...like a hotel employee or something, who then told Dateline. We know they’re both capable of lying!

Lori's attorney said yesterday in court that she didn't have a passport, so I'm not sure if Mexico was an option.

 

[CSIDreamer]

So it seems spouses are disposed of for money to fund the cause, potentially children to save them from apocalyptic distress - where does Colby fit in. Why has he been exempt? These people are not concerned about drawing attention to themselves. The shooting of Charles and attempts on both Brandon and Tammy attest to that. Even Alex’s death and unfortunate descriptors of how he died, brought attention.

LE better be providing protection for Colby.

IMO Colby isnt a minor. He isnt in their hair. I think that's why Chad's children were spared.

 

[Christ is Truth]

INAL but I got the impression from what the DA and attorney said that a main defense (maybe the main defense) against extradition is “you got the wrong guy”. Since she’s clearly fighting extradition DA feels they need to have that base covered.

Not necessarily. They could just be in this for the money too. Might as well take advantage of it since she insists...and she...I mean Chad...is footin’ the bill.

 

[Tortoise]

BBM
I finally watched Dateline last night! I wondered about the flight to Mexico, IIRC Dateline said ‘a source’ informed them of the flight to Mexico... I’m wondering if they ever actually bought tickets, or if they just told someone that was their plan...like a hotel employee or something, who then told Dateline. We know they’re both capable of lying!

IMO they had bought tickets and Lori's swimsuit on show was a ruse to make hotel employees and others think they were just off to the beach. The beach bags Chad was carrying were stuffed to overflowing with everything but the kitchen sink and Lori's water bottle was empty.

 

[utahobserver]

The reporters from KSL got back to me. The interview with the Utah ME can be found at 2.53 in the video segment. May not be as interesting to all as to me, but wanted to share.

I have added it to the Media Timeline

Lori Vallow's Bail Confirmed At $5M During Extradition Hearing

 

[adot0902]

They had been divorced for 15 years, he had a bitter relationship with her. Are you really suggesting he never got around to changing it?

Personally, I don't think so. I was more explaining how beneficiaries take precedent over a will, I don't know how many people know that. Is it possible he updated just his will, and assumed that was a catch all yes. But you'd be surprised how frequently people just don't consider updating beneficiaries because they are under a false assumption about their wills.