Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #19

[indicolite22]

I wonder if Chad's children are starting to waver in their support of him, now that Lori is locked up and with the new revelations over the past few days.

Or Chad's parents. Reportedly he's been in contact with them since Lori's arrest.

IMO he's continuing to manipulate them and they still believe him.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have noticed several posts about Hawaii not extraditing Chad if he is charged with murder for Tammy.

Based on my reading, I *think* that is not the case. I believe the only way it comes into play is in preventing bail.

From Hawaii codes:

§832-16 Bail; in what cases; conditions of bond. Unless the offense with which the prisoner is charged is shown to be an offense punishable by death or life imprisonment under the laws of the state in which it was committed, a judge in this State may admit the person arrested to bail by bond, with sufficient sureties, and in such sum as the judge deems proper, conditioned for the person's appearance before the judge at a time specified in the bond, and for the person's surrender, to be arrested upon the warrant of the governor of this State.

2013 Hawaii Revised Statutes :: TITLE 38. PROCEDURAL AND SUPPLEMENTARY PROVISIONS :: 832. Uniform Criminal Extradition Act :: 832-16 Bail; in what cases; conditions of bond.

But IANAL so please do correct if I am mistaken.

Could we get some lay language on this one. IF the offense is punishable by death or life, WHAT CAN Hawaii do?
Is there any case that Hawaii could ARREST with no bond?
I am assuming HI and ID are strategically working all the possible angles...but not clear to me what they might be.

 

[kye0001]

So it seems spouses are disposed of for money to fund the cause, potentially children to save them from apocalyptic distress - where does Colby fit in. Why has he been exempt? These people are not concerned about drawing attention to themselves. The shooting of Charles and attempts on both Brandon and Tammy attest to that. Even Alex’s death and unfortunate descriptors of how he died, brought attention.

LE better be providing protection for Colby.

I really don’t know but until evidence points otherwise I suspect that if he has life insurance it would go to his wife and child. He has probably kept enough distance not to be drawn too far into it. I don’t think he has been drawn into her alternative world. Maybe he’s strong willed enough to call her out when he feels she’s wrong?

He said in one of the news interviews that she didn’t share her new views with him, he also didn’t feel like she trusted him...had perhaps tested the waters but he wasn’t receptive.

The fact that he made several YouTube videos trying to get her to get in touch and in another KW interview (just before his final video) she said CR was helping behind the scenes makes me feel that he has been helping LE and the grandparents. Now if anything comes out that he has lied or hampered the investigations I’ll be quick to change my mind.

At the moment though I suspect he was spared because he was too strong willed to be sucked into it all, his mum wouldn’t benefit from any untimely demise and she didn’t trust him enough not to spill what he knew. His wife seems to be pretty active online as well regarding the children. They’ve both said they’re very active in the church...perhaps LV senses she couldn’t brainwash him with the wife on the scene? JMO and MOO...as I say I’ll be quick to change my mind if there’s any evidence of otherwise. I also hope he and his family have LE protection MOO

 

[Christ is Truth]

Yea, we need to find out if AC had any insurance on him. And who was the beneficiary if he did.

Even if AC does/did have life insurance, it won’t pay out until a death certificate is issued. The bene needs a death certificate and, if I’m not mistaken, that won’t be issued until the investigation is complete. MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

Could we get some lay language on this one. IF the offense is punishable by death or life, WHAT CAN Hawaii do?
Is there any case that Hawaii could ARREST with no bond?
I am assuming HI and ID are strategically working all the possible angles...but not clear to me what they might be.

Neither will be arrested for a death-penalty charge while in Hawaii, imo, unless there are assurances to take the death penalty off the table. I'm thinking Chad will never leave Hawaii, or at least never travel to a death-penalty state where he could be arrested and sent to Idaho to face charges.

jmo

 

[oviedo]

The reporters from KSL got back to me. The interview with the Utah ME can be found at 2.53 in the video segment. May not be as interesting to all as to me, but wanted to share.

I have added it to the Media Timeline

Lori Vallow's Bail Confirmed At $5M During Extradition Hearing

Thanks for helping keep it updated ! I’ve been on a couple of missing children’s forums - glad she’s arrested with a near impossible bail (I say this because in Jennifer’s case his friend posted for him and he got out and killed himself) hope she doesn’t have a friend with a cash stash
JMO

 

[Lusitana]

I don't believe Tylee would be a problem if it wasn't for JJ. But then again, did Lori really think that Colby would never ask about JJ ever again either? And then, there's JJ's family on his paternal side that cared about him and loved thim. They wouldn't just stop trying to see him or talk to him. Tylee had to go because she would be the first one asking questions about JJ. Lying to a 17-year-old is way harder than lying to a 7-year-old.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Personally, I don't think so. I was more explaining how beneficiaries take precedent over a will, I don't know how many people know that. Is it possible he updated just his will, and assumed that was a catch all yes. But you'd be surprised how frequently people just don't consider updating beneficiaries because they are under a false assumption about their wills.

This has been my thinking as well....why I came to believe that LV did actually get insurance from JR. (and her ideas of how to do it in the future--I think this is why she cuddled up to CV at one point making CV think they could fix their marriage--she just wanted him to NOT undo insurance/wills!!!) It happens all the time. Even with a financial planner... my husband and I thought we had ALL paperwork taken care of to prevent probate. But low and behold a little lack of a beneficially put one account into probate !!

 

[Sticksandspades]

So this is a banking question...any bankers out there??

I at first was thinking their birth certificates would be needed for her to open Hawaiian bank accounts "in their name(s.)"

But now I'm thinking that Lori would be the SS representative payee for each of them, and so she would be the custodial account holder for both accounts. She would be the only one who could withdraw funds that would effectively be held by her in trust for them. In that case, the children are unable to access the accounts. In other words, the accounts are not really "in their name." So.....would their id (in this case, a Birth Cert) even be needed...or just Lori's?

When I set up bank accounts for my niece and nephew all I needed was their SS number.

 

[Tortoise]

The problem with any "blame Alex" defense is that to make that assertion Lori would have to take the stand, and I don't think she would do well on cross examination.

I'm not sure about that - defense lawyers can and do raise the SODDI defense without their client taking the stand, as we've recently seen in Charles Merritt's trial and Mark Sievers' trial to name just two.

 

[jjenny]

I don't believe Tylee would be a problem if it wasn't for JJ. But then again, did Lori really think that Colby would never ask about JJ ever again either? And then, there's JJ's family on his paternal side that cared about him and loved thim. They wouldn't just stop trying to see him or talk to him. Tylee had to go because she would be the first one asking questions about JJ. Lying to a 17-year-old is way harder than lying to a 7-year-old.

Tylee was there when Charles was killed, and probably knew more than what she told LE. She could have known about Lori's future plans for some other people. There is even chance Tylee knew more about demise of her biological father. So if Tylee wasn't agreeable with Lori's plans, absolutely she could have become a big problem for Lori and Alex.

 

[indicolite22]

I really don’t know but until evidence points otherwise I suspect that if he has life insurance it would go to his wife and child. He has probably kept enough distance not to be drawn too far into it. I don’t think he has been drawn into her alternative world. Maybe he’s strong willed enough to call her out when he feels she’s wrong?

He said in one of the news interviews that she didn’t share her new views with him, he also didn’t feel like she trusted him...had perhaps tested the waters but he wasn’t receptive.

The fact that he made several YouTube videos trying to get her to get in touch and in another KW interview (just before his final video) she said CR was helping behind the scenes makes me feel that he has been helping LE and the grandparents. Now if anything comes out that he has lied or hampered the investigations I’ll be quick to change my mind.

At the moment though I suspect he was spared because he was too strong willed to be sucked into it all, his mum wouldn’t benefit from any untimely demise and she didn’t trust him enough not to spill what he knew. His wife seems to be pretty active online as well regarding the children. They’ve both said they’re very active in the church...perhaps LV senses she couldn’t brainwash him with the wife on the scene? JMO and MOO...as I say I’ll be quick to change my mind if there’s any evidence of otherwise. I also hope he and his family have LE protection MOO

It's interesting that Lori didn't brainwash her son, but she managed to brainwash her niece.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

So it seems spouses are disposed of for money to fund the cause, potentially children to save them from apocalyptic distress - where does Colby fit in. Why has he been exempt? These people are not concerned about drawing attention to themselves. The shooting of Charles and attempts on both Brandon and Tammy attest to that. Even Alex’s death and unfortunate descriptors of how he died, brought attention.

LE better be providing protection for Colby.

To this point I do not think Colby’s death would have offered any financial gain since the spouses all had life insurance although unbeknownst to LV she was removed from CV’s policy. Tammy’s death is currently funding their life style. It is most likely Tylee was a witness or privy to damaging actions/information and thus a possible threat, JJ was just in the way. Colby has been out of the house and to our knowledge as of now, not a participant or witness. That said, they could take out a policy on him.

 

[kye0001]

They had been divorced for 15 years, he had a bitter relationship with her. Are you really suggesting he never got around to changing it?

I suspect it was left to TR and LV either found a way to access it or LV was in charge of it? JMO

Your comment just took me back a step. I simply cannot imagine following this on a phone...... just amazing to me....

I’m on a old phone or iPad as well...keep getting cramp lol

Lori's attorney said yesterday in court that she didn't have a passport, so I'm not sure if Mexico was an option.

As far as I understand it it’s pretty easy to get into Mexico without a passport if your American. I’ve seen a few YouTube channels talking about getting in without passport. It’s just hard to get out MOO. They may even have been hoping to claim asylum...persecution from religious beliefs...not fully understanding that Mexico is extraditing a lot of people at the moment. MOO

I don't believe Tylee would be a problem if it wasn't for JJ. But then again, did Lori really think that Colby would never ask about JJ ever again either? And then, there's JJ's family on his paternal side that cared about him and loved thim. They wouldn't just stop trying to see him or talk to him. Tylee had to go because she would be the first one asking questions about JJ. Lying to a 17-year-old is way harder than lying to a 7-year-old.

Perhaps she was mistakenly judging how she would react as a gauge to how they would react and with her moral compass being so out of control got it very wrong? JMO

 

[Christ is Truth]

Even if AC does/did have life insurance, it won’t pay out until a death certificate is issued. The bene needs a death certificate and, if I’m not mistaken, that won’t be issued until the investigation is complete. MOO

Replying to myself because we think alike. MOO
I’m just a few hours behind and trying to catch up.

Even if Alex had life insurance, I wouldn't think his insurance company would have paid anyone yet for it as his cause of death hasn't been determined?? They would need his death certificate first, no? It's pretty much been tied up in an investigation since he died, so IMO, regardless of who is beneficiary, I don't think anyone has collected thus far on his death. MOO.

 

[155etta]

Lori Vallow's Neighbors Share Footage Of Missing Children

Neighbors said in the video JJ Vallow yells out, “Get the hell out of here!” before running into his townhome with the little boy.

Wonder where he heard that being yelled before? Hmm...

 

[mzmarple]

Lori's attorney said yesterday in court that she didn't have a passport, so I'm not sure if Mexico was an option.

IMO they had bought tickets and Lori's swimsuit on show was a ruse to make hotel employees and others think they were just off to the beach. The beach bags Chad was carrying were stuffed to overflowing with everything but the kitchen sink and Lori's water bottle was empty.

Hence my confusion!! I know there was a lot of discussion about the passport/Mexico issue previously...I was hoping Dateline would provide more detail in the episode than just the dramatic headline, but no luck. Thanks for your responses!

 

[utahobserver]

As he is no longer a minor, I think Colby was simply left behind (or left alone). So were Chad's children.

They pick and choose, don’t they? Pure madness. Also, this phrase in a court document is just so disturbing:
Brandon + his attorney allege the “cult” Lori, Chad, and Melani are all a part of involves “numerous members, adults and children alike, (who) have been being killed off like flies.”

 

[indicolite22]

Neither will be arrested for a death-penalty charge while in Hawaii, imo, unless there are assurances to take the death penalty off the table. I'm thinking Chad will never leave Hawaii, or at least never travel to a death-penalty state where he could be arrested and sent to Idaho to face charges.

jmo

I can see the death penalty being used for the children's murders, but not if their bodies are never found.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Hi all. I've been lurking on the thread now and then, and following the news on my own, but am nowhere near as knowledgeable about all the details as the rest of you. (Never encountered such a complicated case!)

I don't know if separating them will have the effect LE hopes. This isn't a normal "crime couple" with mainstream behaviors. They hold very strong religious beliefs and resisting "the world" will be something they expect to do and are prepared to do.

I don't see him breaking, but that he will see himself as a spiritual warrior and remain true to whatever their visions are. Fighting and resisting unbelievers is likely part of it - maybe even a necessary process to go through, and therefore even welcomed??

(If anything, I think she would turn on him more than the other way around.)

jmo

I now don't believe their "religious" beliefs have anything to do with their behavior. Lori is the better master liar, so I think she could try to come up with something fantabulous to go against Chad. But, I think Chad has the potential of some decent people in his background to help him come up with something more believable and more less liar-friendly. Maybe I am too optimistic of "who will crack first", but I do think we will see the cracks before any trial.