Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

[CatsEye]

Sorry if somebody already answered this but who did LV pick up from the airport? Was it MG?

Edited to insert LV

it sure sounds like MG.
Excellent info there, be sure to read the full statement. I’m still digesting all I gleaned from it.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Makes sense, I was having a really hard time finding a poison that would take 12 days to kill someone and couldn't really find a match, well without a whole lot of telling symptoms anyway. Didn't someone say that AC's new wife lived in the same area as MBP and IP?
Lori and Chad could have also sent him a edible wedding gift I suppose. MOO and just speculating.

I don’t think it unreasonable, where was MBP the day AC died?

 

[LDS social scientist]

This is the part that concerns me. What’s going to happen when the world doesn’t end in July? When the second coming doesn’t begin? I get preparedness. I’ve got a larder/pantry and it is well stocked and comes in really handy. But CD/LV and the rest are taking it way too far. What’s going to happen to all those people that have comepletely changes their lives, marriages, sold up and bought all these provisions when the world carries on as normal? MOO

I don't know for certain, of course. This is always a wildcard. But I suspect that it will go much like when other prophesies (including those of JR) failed to materialize: there might be efforts to explain the non-ending, perhaps a re-worked chronology, most will probably figure they've been led astray and try to get back to normal life somehow.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Oh for the love of... You're not talking about criminal litigation and judicial application of US law in state cases or in federal court with any of those things! The law does not depend on hypotheticals from some dude on Forbes who pointed out the legal equivalent of a "one weird trick" meme...

I'm so mad, I'm thinking about being verified...

If you want your comments seriously considered, you should get verified.

 

[Considering]

So, JJ was getting his medication? I wonder if the Nanny saw it or remembers what it was called. There has been a lot of discussion that his prescription had not been refilled (I believe it was Risperdal), so I'm very curious if that's the same one she was referring to.

According to the probable cause document, JJ’s Risperidone prescription was not refilled in Idaho. It could have been refilled in Arizona before they left for Idaho.

 

[Dontknow?]

Janeen DeMarte Psychologist had a great list on qualifying Jodi Arias with having BDP. It was deep. I think Lori needs diagnosed asap. I'm sure it will happen in ID as the case proceeds but the kids need found or told of their whereabouts alive or dead. This bxxxx and this creepy fake creepy LDS sex troll are really po'ing me now. Their fantasy needs to end now. It's not LDS, it's not even an off-shoot, it's most likely murder. damn.

 

[BluebirdFla]

Tylee’s Aunt. New interview with Nate. Very sad. Poor lady. Don’t know if this has been posted here. Also it’s important because she talks about JR possibly leaving money in a trust for Tylee that she would be able to use come her 17th birthday..if I heard right. Follow the money.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

If you want your comments seriously considered, you should get verified.

At this point getting verified would be a public service. Seriously, this Death Zone hoax (and telling people that they can get away with murder as long as they do it in a certain place in the US, is indeed a hoax), is socially irresponsible.

 

[Considering]

Was Lori really in Hawaii on Sept 24th- the same day she unenrolled JJ from school? Or do we think that was that a lie? 6 days later on Oct 1, she was renting a storage unit in Rexburg. Why the quick trip to Hawaii? Or why lie about her location to the nanny? I really hope that LE has her phone pings from this Sept 24th communication with the nanny. It seems vital to know where Lori was that day. MOO.

I’m not sure that Lori ever tells the truth about anything.

 

[KonaHonu]

*referring to him flippantly as a "niece's drug baby"

I keep wanting to respond to this. While it is a horrible thing for her to say, it is technically true.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

I'm sorry, I just really, really hate when people spread lies and push false information that can have dangerous, real world consequences. The Yellowstone Death Zone hoax has become way too talked about here, to the point some people think it's a place that actually exists and it's where you can get away with murder in the US. That's very dangerous.



Forgive me, but that's not what Borderline Personality Disorder is at all. It's also a very, very confused and somewhat misogynistic diagnosis, granted, but BPD does not entail an absence of emotions or feelings like antisocial disorders. Per the DSM, BPD does entail a lack of boundaries for feelings in regards for others, poor emotional regulation, and very intense emotions, but nothing emotionless.

BPD is interesting and I have studied it some but is it recognized as a mental illness, like with a classification?

 

[DoctorAttorney]

I keep wanting to respond to this. While it is a horrible thing for her to say, it is technically true.

The point is not that she told a truth, the point is that she over shared to an absurd degree with people she didn't know all that well. Lori had a very good opportunity to say, " I'm so sorry, my son is autistic and a little hard to control, we'll do better and watch him more closely," and that would be a reasonable response to another adult. But when another adult says to you that your child is creating chaos, you don't say he is your niece's drug baby. That just leaves the other party feeling confused and weirdly accused of not having sympathy for the kid after the fact. That kind of response is just meant to shut the other party down and guilt them, not address the problem. I've seen it, and it's sad and weird, and it's a form of emotional manipulation. The only way to get beyond it is to put up your own front, and basically say, " I don't care what your excuses are, you need to address your problem so it's not mine anymore, and I resent you trying to socially shame me for pointing out your lack of communication and poor choices."

 

[LDS social scientist]

You made a comment, “I happened to notice that Daybell was apparently just beginning to be involved in this much older genre.” Would this older genre include “Voice of Warning” from the 1800s?

I might be wrong, but I think Pratt's Voice of Warning is more of a general thesis on why people should join the church than concentrating on last-days prophecies per se. But it is true, that people in the 1800s felt more free to speculate on last-days events than most mainstream Mormons do today.

 

[KonaHonu]

Was Lori really in Hawaii on Sept 24th- the same day she unenrolled JJ from school? Or do we think that was that a lie? 6 days later on Oct 1, she was renting a storage unit in Rexburg. Why the quick trip to Hawaii? Or why lie about her location to the nanny? I really hope that LE has her phone pings from this Sept 24th communication with the nanny. It seems vital to know where Lori was that day. MOO.

Oh yeah! That was a huge revelation. I'm sure LE has a better timeline than us, although I would not be surprised if they are not using yours to check theirs! But if she check JJ out in the morning and and was in Hawaii the same day it is plausible but wow. It could mean JJ is somewhere in Hawaii.

 

[KonaHonu]

Was Lori really in Hawaii on Sept 24th- the same day she unenrolled JJ from school? Or do we think that was that a lie? 6 days later on Oct 1, she was renting a storage unit in Rexburg. Why the quick trip to Hawaii? Or why lie about her location to the nanny? I really hope that LE has her phone pings from this Sept 24th communication with the nanny. It seems vital to know where Lori was that day. MOO.

Oh yeah! That was a huge revelation. I'm sure LE has a better timeline than us, although I would not be surprised if they are not using yours to check theirs! But if she checked JJ out of school in the morning and and was in Hawaii the same day it is plausible but wow. It could mean JJ is somewhere in Hawaii.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

I might be wrong, but I think Pratt's Voice of Warning is more of a general thesis on why people should join the church than concentrating on last-days prophecies per se. But it is true, that people in the 1800s felt more free to speculate on last-days events than most mainstream Mormons do today.

::Coughs in 1800s revivalism::

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

A park with active boiling acid and water pits, that is bigger than two states combined, is being combed, while covered in snowfall, for a crime that likely occured last September, if at all?

I typically have visited Yellowstone Park during milder seasons though I understand the park receives a fair amount of off season visitors. Though the majority of the area may be snow covered, between October to May, I would imagine the “active boiling acid and water pits (maybe you are referring to what are commonly known as “geysers”(?)), may be able to be searched during the off season? MOO

 

[KonaHonu]

The point is not that she told a truth, the point is that she over shared to an absurd degree with people she didn't know all that well. Lori had a very good opportunity to say, " I'm so sorry, my son is autistic and a little hard to control, we'll do better and watch him more closely," and that would be a reasonable response to another adult. But when another adult says to you that your child is creating chaos, you don't say he is your niece's drug baby. That just leaves the other party feeling confused and weirdly accused of not having sympathy for the kid after the fact. That kind of response is just meant to shut the other party down and guilt them, not address the problem. I've seen it, and it's sad and weird, and it's a form of emotional manipulation. The only way to get beyond it is to put up your own front, and basically say, " I don't care what your excuses are, you need to address your problem so it's not mine anymore, and I resent you trying to socially shame me for pointing out your lack of communication and poor choices."

I totally agree. I inferred from others upthread that they thought it was a lie. I think it was a horrible thing for her to say but as Charles's sister's child's baby it was technically her grand nephew and niece and I think few of us would criticize dropping the grand in our own families.

 

[Tigerlily75]

I keep wanting to respond to this. While it is a horrible thing for her to say, it is technically true.

So? This is not how one should refer to a child. We have standards of language in society and language matters... and this was a terrible choice of language on Lori’s part.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

I totally agree. I inferred from others upthread that they thought it was a lie. I think it was a horrible thing for her to say but as Charles's sister's child's baby it was technically her grand nephew and niece and I think few of us would criticize dropping the grand in our own families.

She didn't have to say anything about the "grand" in her own name. JJ was her adopted son. All she needed to say and indeed, should have said to people who were pretty much strangers, was, "I'm sorry for my son's behavior, in the future, it will be corrected."

It's like, really simple. It is unwise and cruel to guilt strangers about your personal problems.