Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #22

[SuziQ]

Man says ex-wife, who is cousin of missing Idaho kids, knows where they are; she denies it

2/28/20

Documents filed in Maricopa County Superior Court last week allege Lori Vallow's niece knows the location of her children who have been missing for more than five months.
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In court documents, Brandon claims Melani told her new husband, Ian Robert Pawlowski, "sometimes children are full of light and then just like that they go dark." Pawlowski later told police that information, according to the documents.
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In the recent court documents, Brandon [ex-husband of Melani] claims Pawlowski [new husband] told police that Melani [wife/niece of LV] told him she conspired with her uncle, Alex, to kill Brandon.

Brandon believed Melani conspired to kill him before their divorce finalized "to cash in" on a policy "to help support the cult that she is believed to be part of," according to the court documents.

"Father asserts that Mother had a Million Dollars of reasons to have Father killed," the documents stated.

Last December, Brandon told The Arizona Republic that Lori Vallow joined a radical religious group in 2018. In social media posts and media interviews, family and friends of Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell have described the couple's religious beliefs as cultlike and troubling, saying they spoke frequently of the end of the world.

RECORDS: Divorce papers show mom of 2 missing kids said she was a god, threatened to kill husband

According to Brandon, Melani began spending time with her aunt and the group before suddenly demanding a divorce last summer.

"Father asserts that Mother is heavily involved with a doomsday cult located primarily out of the town in which Mother currently resides. Mother left Arizona almost immediately after the attempt on Father's life, leaving without a trace and leaving her children behind," the court documents state.

"Mother only now comes forward as she feels that the suspicious death of her uncle who was the shooter in the incident involving children, has somehow freed her from her role in the attempt on Father's life. This is simply not the case," it continued.

Gilbert Police Department spokesperson Brenda Carrasco said Thursday that the investigation into the Oct. 2 shooting was ongoing. She said investigators previously contacted Melani about the case, but she has not been identified as a suspect.

"We are unable to substantiate the claims made about Mrs. Pawlowski in the child-custody court filings submitted by Mr. Boudreaux," Carrasco said. "Our investigators are continuing to follow up on all leads related to this case."

Ha. So basically MB think since Dead men (Alex) tell no tales, that she is in the clear? Alrighty then.

 

[kye0001]

Unless I'm mistaken, this intimation only came from the former husband of his current wife -- someone with at least plausible reason to make MBP look bad. And this claim came only in the process of a messy custody battle over children.

I think there's plenty of reason to take BB's claims about what IP may have said with a heavy grain of salt (or at least not be surprised if IP has a different public view on the issue than BB does).

Equally though there’s plenty of reasons to take what she says about him with a grain of salt. She’s put out a pretty horrific statement via her lawyer with some serious accusations also. Not saying any of it is factual but it’s important to consider they’re both full of hate for each other.

B.B. does have his PI backing him up though and the video in LE posession of the shooting/attempted murder. MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

This thread is dedicated to discussing the disappearance of Tylee and Joshua. It is not a place for general chit chat and lengthy posts about the history of Hawaii or tourism, etc.

It is also not a place for bickering, personalizing and rude comments ... oh, and general arguing over various mental health topics, serial killers and things Ted Bundy.

Please stay on topic, be respectful, or there may be a loss of posting privileges.



Thanks.

Bringing this post from a mod forward again.

 

[BigAl16]

Autopsies found out cause of death in all of them who died because the family demanded it and so did their insurance for at least two of them. But to be fair, two were Catholic and one was athiest. Catholics here in the US don't usually have a real problem with autopsies. Jehovah's Witnesses, some Jews, and some Mormons as I understand it, do.

As for the family link, I find it CRAZY that Tammy's children did not demand an autopsy, personally. At least I know my family and friends are prone to strokes and blood clots. But a lot of people just don't want to know that stuff because it scares them and they don't like to think about their own death.

I don't think Mormons do. If any devout Mormons disagree, speak up (and also explain the logic).

 

[LDS social scientist]

Perhaps he didn't tell you everything. Perhaps he moved to Idaho to make it easier to have an affair. That's what I suspect. I think he is a lying cheat. MOO.

I'm not quite following. Who are you proposing that he had an affair with?

The publicly available information seems to suggest that the Rexburg move was at least a year and maybe closer to two before Chad and Lori met.

And I'm still uncertain why Rexburg was the place to go if he wanted to have an affair. Sure it's a little further away from the eyes of extended family. But Rexburg is still a very strongly LDS community, one that would have been as concerned about an affair as any Utah community. And it's one Chad and Tammy from all accounts threw themselves into.

I think its more plausible to say that he moved to Rexburg because of what he felt his religious feelings were telling him and/or knowledge that there was an especially strong cohort of people interested in his religious ideas in the Rexburg environment.

If his motivating factor was an affair, I can think of many, many better places to move (given his strong involvement in the LDS community) than Rexburg.

 

[yawningreyhound]

It has either hardwood or tile flooring in the main living areas (Where CV's body was located) and low pile carpet in the bedrooms: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5531-S-Four-Peaks-Pl-Chandler-AZ-85249/59261947_zpid/?mmlb=g,5

ETA: I found it strange in the bodycam video of the scene that there was nothing in the room where CV was located except huge mirrors on 3 walls. No rug, no furniture, nada. I know they only moved in 3 weeks before the shooting but to not have at least a throw rug to dampen the echo of that room seems unusual.... MOO.

Like the house was rented to become a killing zone with the setup. The whole CV/AC interaction sounded like a setup to me, but I'm cynical as H*ll in my old age these days.

Edited for spelling

 

[BigAl16]

I'd love to see some evidence for that, because that is very plausible and makes a ton of sense. This is really a very good insight.

I can't prove that is what the truck was there for, but it is what Rent-a-Center does and the only logical reason for them to be there unless it was to drop off new rental furniture.

 

[SuziQ]

Unless I'm mistaken, this intimation only came from the former husband of his current wife -- someone with at least plausible reason to make MBP look bad. And this claim came only in the process of a messy custody battle over children.

I think there's plenty of reason to take BB's claims about what IP may have said with a heavy grain of salt (or at least not be surprised if IP has a different public view on the issue than BB does).

Don't forget that the Jeep was identified as Tylee's that CV bought. LE then took the Jeep in to custody. So that lends to the shooting being truthful and the list is very short on who would want BB dead. And as BB's lawyers state, there was a million reasons why, since there was a million dollar life insurance policy. I think there is enough there to believe BB's documents and statements. MB, not so much.

MOO.

 

[LDS social scientist]

I don't think Mormons do. If any devout Mormons disagree, speak up (and also explain the logic).

I agree. There's no "LDS" element to opposing autopsies that I've ever heard.

 

[CSIDreamer]

KonaHonu: You're looking at the wrong Kahakuloa attack. lol

Again, please google the words: Kahakuloa Attack

The attack on Christopher Kunzelman was brutal and 100% racially motivated, while the community just stood there and watched.

How is this connected to JJ and Tylee? Please, thank you.

 

[Redvines86]

I don't think Mormons do. If any devout Mormons disagree, speak up (and also explain the logic).

The only Mormon I ever heard of that had a problem with autopsies is one that I believed poisoned his wife so he could be with a hot blond chick. MOO

 

[DoctorAttorney]

I don't think Mormons do. If any devout Mormons disagree, speak up (and also explain the logic).

The church thinks autopsies are okay of the loved one of the dead give their consent nowadays, but Chad wasn't your everyday Mormon, and the old stuff didn't support autopsies or cremation very much. As I said, some don't go for it, but that doesn't mean everyone.

 

[Picklepuck]

Well he had to be really didn't he? Isn't that why Lori moved up there to make it easier to see him surely? We know he was there on Nov 26th, we know they saw each other on the memorial day in October, he was on her storage footage in October and it looks like they saw each other in September as well as making a podcast together in September, from that I am guessing that they got together as often and as soon as she moved up there early in September after vacating the Az home where CV was killed. Early October specifically as well, when Tammy was at her parents.

I believe CD and LVD did their first podcast together around December of 2018, IIRC.

 

[Redvines86]

I don't think Mormons do. If any devout Mormons disagree, speak up (and also explain the logic).

The only Mormon I ever heard of that had a problem with autopsies is one that I believed poisoned his wife so he could be with a hot blond chick. MOO

The church thinks autopsies are okay of the loved one of the dead give their consent nowadays, but Chad wasn't isn't your everyday Mormon, and the old stuff didn't support autopsies or cremation very much.

I'm quite positive autopsies have never been a problem, cremation somewhat, and greatly affected by location. MOO

 

[janx]

Equally though there’s plenty of reasons to take what she says about him with a grain of salt. She’s put out a pretty horrific statement via her lawyer with some serious accusations also. Not saying any of it is factual but it’s important to consider they’re both full of hate for each other.

B.B. does have his PI backing him up though and the video in LE posession of the shooting/attempted murder. MOO

LE has video of that shooting?

 

[Picklepuck]

I'm almost certain this meant MBP claimed BB (not IP) falsified his court documents. Unless I am misunderstanding your statement. (Still confusing though, because where/why would BB claim he got this information). Moo.

Ah, yes, you are correct. I was exhausted when I posted that. Lol. My bad. Thank you for clarifying what I meant. I'm going to need therapy after this case is over...and a vacation. Haha

 

[kye0001]

LE has video of that shooting?

Let me go through the media thread I’m sure that’s how I understand it. I also understand they have the jeep used. MOO

 

[raysgirl1126]

Ah, yes, you are correct. I was exhausted when I posted that. Lol. My bad. Thank you for clarifying what I meant. I'm going to need therapy after this case is over...and a vacation. Haha

Ditto!!

 

[LDS social scientist]

Equally though there’s plenty of reasons to take what she says about him with a grain of salt. She’s put out a pretty horrific statement via her lawyer with some serious accusations also. Not saying any of it is factual but it’s important to consider they’re both full of hate for each other.

B.B. does have his PI backing him up though and the video in LE posession of the shooting/attempted murder. MOO

Totally agree. I'm much more suspicious of MBP's claims than BB's. But even in the case of the PI's backup, again unless I'm mistaken, the PI works for BB, and BB controls what he releases about the PI's claims. So yes, it's probably best to recognize that there are very few "facts" that have yet to be independently verified (except perhaps regarding the shooting) stemming from this custody battle.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Unless I'm mistaken, this intimation only came from the former husband of his current wife -- someone with at least plausible reason to make MBP look bad. And this claim came only in the process of a messy custody battle over children.

I think there's plenty of reason to take BB's claims about what IP may have said with a heavy grain of salt (or at least not be surprised if IP has a different public view on the issue than BB does).

Yes, but - reading between the lines - it looks very much that as if, in order to, for example, get the intel of IP added to the original affidavit against Lori (IP's response to a question from LE was in there as a minor point), what it basically means, is not so much that IP was "cooperating" with people asking these questions; but that he was "cooperating" with people merely when he had no other choice, and couldn't figure out how to get himself out of the talking-to-authorities portion of his schedule. (Much like, it now seems, his wife MBP; whom Nate Eaton specifically said has been getting out of talking to them at minimum, by the simple if flimsy expedient of denying being herself, when they call her up and she answers the phone at her Rexburg home .)