Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #22

[Angleterre]

In a prior thread Angleterre said:


in response to a post I made about not talking to police.

I apologize if I offended you. I was only referring to the US. I still maintain that in the US there really is little or no benefit to speaking to the police. If you answer written questions you have a record of exactly what was said. I can't edit my post because it is in a prior thread so I will clarify here.

I understand it is the job of the police to investigate crimes and gather evidence. I don't fault police for doing their job at all. But in the US it is not their job to exonerate people. That is the role of a defense attorney. Even the Miranda warning says "Anything you say can and will be used against you..." (BBM) It doesn't say that anything you say will be used to establish the facts. So why would anyone see any benefit in providing evidence to be used against themselves.

I realize that in other countries the role of the police might be slightly different in the sense their role may focus more on establishing the facts rather than beginning the prosecution and that there might be times in other countries where not speaking or failing to provide defense information early on can be used against a person. But in the US silence can't be used against you.

MOO

@KonaHonu
Thank you I appreciate your apology and clarification
Now I will offer you an apology because I was not aware that your Miranda warning was so specific in that it says that anything you say CAN and WILL be USED AGAINST YOU and for this reason , I now understand your point so my bad , I’m sorry .

In the UK we can arrest straight away

And only after charge do we go away and gather all the evidence to support what we already have initially , which was enough to arrest and interview and subsequently charge ( arraign) . The case is built once the charge procedure begins.

For example when CV was shot and killed, I said in another post that Lori and AC her brother, would have been arrested immediately and J.J. and Tylee would have been taken to a juvenile suite and in the presence of appropriate adults not involved, would have been interviewed on visual recording as to what they had witnessed.
This is because we can arrest on belief and suspicion and we then interview those arrested in order to obtain evidence but also to allow them to give alibis which we can then prove or disprove .
Our caution reads ....
You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which may later be used to rely on in court . Anything you do say may be given in evidence.

Now the important clarification here is that this caution is only given if you are arrested or if you are brought into a custody suite and detained for the purpose of being questioned under caution and documented by contemporaneous notes .

So there really is a huge difference about speaking to LE in the UK as opposed to the USA

I think we are both straight now on the pertinent differences

 

[nhmemorymaker]

dont wanna get busted for sleuthing ppls who havent yet spoken to MSM so i'll just say her fam is not unified and leave it there. hoping some will decide to speak up to media but perhaps they have been advised to stay quiet at this time

I am holding my breath.. family feuding will bring out a lot more horrible details... will probably be hard to know lies/fiction but probably will include details we have heard nothing about!!!

 

[tresir2012]

Just found this forum, so be gentle.

The dude who runs the AVOW website claims that (1) CD and LVD recently called him and took nearly an hour to lay out the entire story, (2) he plans to share all of the details “soon,” and (3) CD already is writing a book about the situation. It strikes me that LE ought to be pressing very hard on this guy, who—if he has evidence that would prevent harm to the kids but covers it up—may face consequences himself.

Welcome to WS. MSM did report some of this but are you a paid up AVOW member because we could do with someone as a Verified Insider?

 

[FindingJoLee]

Much more connection to Idaho Falls than that..... Person who worked for huge LDS MLM in Rexburg, then Idaho Falls cosmetics products lab, now unemployed husband of woman trying to get custody of 4 kids.

Just out of curiosity: Did he “work for” that MLM or did he represent the products as an independent distributor?

EDIT: Also want to clarify that by “LDS MLM” you are referring to the founders/owners as being LDS, not referring to the Church as owning the company.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I'm okay regarding the neighbor, thank you all. We both had/have a strong Christian faith. While I was shocked, I am very aware I was looking at a shell. It wasn't her anymore. And grateful I had the opportunity to do some kindness for her family. They are walking into a house tomorrow without their Mom in it.

And did you know her kids as well? Share the love, you all deserve it...

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I'm okay regarding the neighbor, thank you all. We both had/have a strong Christian faith. While I was shocked, I am very aware I was looking at a shell. It wasn't her anymore. And grateful I had the opportunity to do some kindness for her family. They are walking into a house tomorrow without their Mom in it.

And did you know her kids as well? Share the love, you all deserve it...

Welcome to WS. MSM did report some of this but are you a paid up AVOW member because we could do with someone as a Verified Insider?

And I am sure CP and AVOW have been on LE radar for some time...I have seen enough complaints of them "just out there in the sphere", that there are files of stuff....

 

[Angleterre]

Governor Little wants justice for missing Rexburg kids

That’s as close as I can find. It doesn’t state a couple of days though and I’m sure I heard that too MOO

It was the prosecutor who said it during the court hearing

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I think he was hoping no one would notice him moving out at that time because all the reporters would be at Lori's hearing. It didn't work, of course. Nice try, Chad!

In other news, Daily Mail got video Chad walking into the KCCC to visit Lori (on Tuesday I think?) then they followed him as he drove to Walmart. When he came out of Walmart they tried asking him questions. He was apparently so flustered by the reporter following him that he couldn't find his car in the parking lot. Then he laughed when he found it: Lori Vallow's husband is seen leaving jail as it's revealed he and dead spouse filed for bankruptcy | Daily Mail Online

I think Chad is going to spill the whole story to someone soon. He seems to be cracking under the pressure.

MOO.

tee hee... felt the same on Chad's choice of timing!! As if there can be only line of focus!!! Welcome to 360 reality, Chad!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

@KonaHonu
Thank you I appreciate your apology and clarification
Now I will offer you an apology because I was not aware that your Miranda warning was so specific in that it says that anything you say CAN and WILL be USED AGAINST YOU and for this reason , I now understand your point so my bad , I’m sorry .

In the UK we can arrest straight away

And only after charge do we go away and gather all the evidence to support what we already have initially , which was enough to arrest and interview and subsequently charge ( arraign) . The case is built once the charge procedure begins.

For example when CV was shot and killed, I said in another post that Lori and AC her brother, would have been arrested immediately and J.J. and Tylee would have been taken to a juvenile suite and in the presence of appropriate adults not involved, would have been interviewed on visual recording as to what they had witnessed.
This is because we can arrest on belief and suspicion and we then interview those arrested in order to obtain evidence but also to allow them to give alibis which we can then prove or disprove .
Our caution reads ....
You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which may later be used to rely on in court . Anything you do say may be given in evidence.

Now the important clarification here is that this caution is only given if you are arrested or if you are brought into a custody suite and detained for the purpose of being questioned under caution and documented by contemporaneous notes .

So there really is a huge difference about speaking to LE in the UK as opposed to the USA

I think we are both straight now on the pertinent differences

Thanks to you and Konu for this beneficial discussion.

 

[raysgirl1126]

DBM - oops

 

[Christ is Truth]

I meant to hurt no one involved in this case with my comment. These 2 seem to have some radical beliefs. End of story. There is nothing else to discuss.

RSBM
Yes, I think most of us understood as much. That’s why I’m wondering why DoctorAttorney was offended. I’ve fallen behind in the thread so hoping she has answered and I just haven’t come across it yet.

 

[Minty Fresh]

Harry Potter and the Disorders Out Of Phoenix

Harry Potter and the Prisoner Who's Mormon-Banned

Harry Potter and the Deathly Vallows

Harry Potter and the Podcast Hints

....

The Deathly Vallows one was my favorite on account of I just changed one letter, lol...

Freaking BRILLIANT!

 

[CSIDreamer]

I don’t doubt that the reporter spoke to this Sharon woman, but I don’t see that CD will be talking with a Stranger about all this

Personally, I find it very believable. No matter what he's guilty of doing, he spent the last 30 years married with 5 children, so surrounded by family. Involved in church.

He's now pretty much isolated and the object of great disdain. So he's really out of his "natural habitat" so to speak.

I know people that will tell complete strangers their life story.

Jmo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Forgive me for my ignorance but I still don’t understand why a reference to him was hurtful to doctor attorney.

Nothing hurtful at all. Jim Jones is an important part of history as mentioned by Konu... We were riveted to the news of what was happening, how it started, how the people could have followed him etc, waiting for more pictures and information to come out. EVERYBODY talking about it. You know ...like what we are all experiencing right now.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Sorry, I didn't mean for you to contact the FBI. I meant for BB, it would be in his best interest to contact the FBI. That is why I doubt he has the missing kids. Of course, you may be right. This case just keeps getting stranger every day. JMO

Of course, BB has had significant contact with the FBI. We know that LE has massive amounts of data that we don't.

 

[mrjitty]

@KonaHonu
Now the important clarification here is that this caution is only given if you are arrested or if you are brought into a custody suite and detained for the purpose of being questioned under caution and documented by contemporaneous notes .

RSBM

To focus in on the most interesting point with relevance to this case (e.g. Melani)

I think it is key to differentiate between the situation of interrogation vs the classic "assisting with inquiries" and also sophisticated vs non sophisticated suspects

David Simon in his classic Homicide pointed out that for your classic unsophisticated suspect pulled off the street, giving any kind of statement is frequently stupid and that's a problem for the process because there is indeed scant upside to cooperation. So of course LE may skirt the process by ostensibly not treating the person as a suspect.

And of course this also answers the question of why potentially guilty parties may cooperate.

e.g. in the recent McStay case where a family of 4 went missing, the business partner (and killer) Chase Merritt sat down at his house to talk to detectives about his last interactions with the missing (murdered) family. But of course, had he refused to do so, he puts himself square in frame.

So IMO, while it may be the case that for Melani to cooperate at all is legally foolish, her failure to cooperate, in practical terms also has significant downside.

We've seen in so many cases that guilty parties think they can divert suspicion by being a "good witness"

 

[mrjitty]

Of course, BB has had significant contact with the FBI. We know that LE has massive amounts of data that we don't.

Yep.

 

[Teche]

Hugs! I know that the family appreciates the kindness you extended by cleaning up.

Warning. I'm a bit numb still, but I need to share this. There's a reason, keep reading.

I found my elderly next door neighbor dead about 2.5 hours ago. Called 911, the whole natural death scenario. Tip: don't touch anything if you find your neighbor deceased, and have ID ready. You can touch stuff after the coroner declares natural death. Have your ID ready. They need your statement and they will check you out with dispatch.

So. All family is far away. Since I obviously knew her, the police came over afterwards. Here's the important point:

He told me there were body fluids in the house and NONE OF THEM (emts, police, coroner) are allowed to clean at a scene. Guess who cleaned it up? Yes, I followed protocol. I had a nurse help me. No way was i leaving that for the family to walk into.

Remember that cop cleaning up under CV?

Jmo food for thought.

 

[jjenny]

Of course, BB has had significant contact with the FBI. We know that LE has massive amounts of data that we don't.

Unfortunately, LE doesn't know/have enough to make an arrest in attempted murder of BB. Nobody has been arrested or charged for that one.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I can relate to the sons of wanting the watches and here’s why. Since I was a little girl, being the only daughter my mom and I would always look over her jewelry and admire it together and over the years she has given me a number of pieces ... well a few yes ago my brother convinced her to buy a home that he would take care of her in for the rest of her life, and convinced her to put it in his name. He then became verbally abusive to her, she moved out, and then he sold it and absconded with the money. That was bad enough, but I then found out that during the time frame when they were lovey-dovey living together, he got her to pawn most of her jewelry including her wedding ring and now most of her jewelry is also gone. For me it wasn’t the money, it was the sentimental value. My mom had always told me that since I was the only girl she wanted to pass thr Jewelry on to me. So I get it, even if those watches didn’t have much monetary value they perhaps had a lot of sentimental value to the sons, if they admired them together and always saw what new watches dad got, etc.

I hear you. Many of us do have such stories, having to accept that our friends or relatives just put greed before anything else. It just leaves such a gut wrenching feeling of personal violation, when we think people will do the right thing..