Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #24

[Anonymous91]

They are the same thing, it's just semantics.

To me, one can focus on either hope or fear.

I prefer to focus on hope. I recognize and acknowledge fear, but don't focus on it.

There are others that choose to focus on fear. Fear is a very powerful emotion, and can be used effectively to motivate people to do irrational things.

MOO

 

[passthepopcorn]

I think it was Gray that said he has been in contact with IP's mom (not Nate), but I was only half-listening. ??

I listened to the whole thing (and also vowed not to watch another Gray video (audio only was annoying, but better than all the crazy visuals he has going on there). Anyways, it was Gray who has been in contact with Ian’s Mom. Nate told Gray that he’d love to talk with her, if she was interested....

 

[kye0001]

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"The proof is in the pudding, just produce these children. Lori has the keys of the jail in her pocket, just produce the kids," Greg Skordas, attorney, weighs on #LoriVallow's case as #Daybell supporters allege media is reporting a "sensationalist narrative."Story
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He’s spot on in what he’s saying IMO.

 

[musubi]

Regarding CD and his children cutting off Tammy’s family, correct me if I’m wrong, her family became suspicious of her death at some point and Tammy’s sister might’ve sounded the alarms/reported her suspicions. That is why the children decided to cut them off, bc they are angry over the fact that side of the family would suspect CD of murder. Does anyone else recall reading this? I don’t remember where I saw this. MOO.

 

[Anonymous91]

The only way CD writing the email makes sense would be "Lori, send me an email that says <insert a bunch of BS> and I'll show it to Tammy to help justify my trip to AZ" or even Lori saying, "what could I say in an email that Tammy wouldn't think was strange and would help you convince her that you needed to come to AZ."

MOO

This is just my thoughts, and I could be completely wrong on this.

I think that this wasn't the first time that this had been done. The letter infers that Chad had stayed at their house in the past. Yet CV had no idea who Charles was?

I would strongly suspect if Chad had stayed at Lori's residence previously, CV would know about it. Even if CV was out of town, I would suspect that JJ would have said something to him about it.

So, I am guessing that Chad never stayed at the house. He stayed at a nearby hotel instead.

My best guess, is that at some time in the past, they had worked this out face to face. If that is the case, there would be no reason for them to explain how to use the letter, they would already know.

This is all pure speculation though.

MOO

 

[ThinkoutLoud]

Earlier in the same message I said things that were indicative of possible suspicion from the family. I began with: "If it was suggested even once that anyone in the family thought Chad killed his beloved Tammy...", then indicated a few other conditions that would indicate how people would have suggested threats ("out for blood"). We have seen ad hominem attacks (put them in jail, why aren't they in jail, he is a murderer, he killed his wife, etc.) all over social media, some threats, and now vandalism to personal property of a POI.

I think we've speculated the idea that the children were hidden because of threat to Lori that she would lose them in a custody battle.

Anyway, this is all why I said, "If the threats were real" I don't know whether there were threats, but I can imagine if a man

I'm not convinced of evil intentions. Definitely strange actions. I was the first to say that back in October when I heard the funeral was so soon after her death, and all along the way since then.

How often do people react out of fear. If it was suggested even once that anyone in the family thought Chad killed his beloved Tammy, how would it be expected for him to react? If innocent, I see a man trying to hurry and do the best with what he was given to draw criticism away from himself and his children. If he would have submitted to the calls of autopsy the claim would have been that he was doing it just as a show. Natural causes or poison, if people are out for blood (tell me they're not. Look at the court of Facebook and the court of public opinion in the news), he can't win. If the threats were real, he can't win. Whether he killed her or not, he's a pariah. Everything he says is scrutinized even through the lens of up to a decade of different experiences.

I'm not convinced he killed Tammy or knows the children's whereabouts.

Your last few posts, I have to say, I agree with you. While it is certainly an unpopular opinion, Chad may be innocent of serious crimes and we need to tread carefully. I’m not saying he is innocent but it would be wrong to treat him as a guilty man. The biggest transgressions we can lay at his door are still serious: not saying where the kids are (or convincing Lori to do so if he doesn’t know), lying to law enforcement and then changing his mind and telling the truth, writing fringe books (not a crime), having bizarre religious beliefs (not a crime) and marrying Lori way too soon (upsetting for sure but also not a crime). There are red flags and serious issues but there is still a chance here he did not harm Tammy and he did not harm the children or possibly even have any knowledge of their being harmed. There are things we simply do not know. I also agree with you about his being honest to a fault—the fault of oversharing. At this point Chad may be a lot of things. A lot of really really bad things. But he also might be innocent of murder/ adultery/ conspiracy to commit murder etc. He may even be a victim as well. If so, and just in case, we need to remember our own principles and act accordingly.

Honestly some of my biggest concerns come from our Springville insider who related his behavior at Tammy’s funeral/ burial. I do however know another friend who married very quickly after his young wife’s death. She was in her thirties. He acted hastily precisely because he was so consumed with grief. He looked happy in his wedding pictures too. He wasn’t. Many years later he is still grieving.

The bottom line is, I don’t know what Chad knows and I don’t know what God knows. I do know I do not have all the facts. I will leave it between God and Chad for now and I pray for the truth, the whole truth to come to light for everyone’s sakes. And quickly.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Not to insert something from left field at this point, but I still find it extremely troubling that Alex got married as well as all of the others in this troubling time period. Now, of course, he didn't have a divorce or death with his mate just prior to it - but I have this feeling that there is more to it. It's just too coincidental to all of the other quick marriages. The potential for life insurance has been mentioned and we probably can't sleuth his new mate. It is just dangling there in my over-active imagination. I would love to hear others' thoughts and perhaps I have missed one of the threads that discuss this though I think I've read everything. Thanks.

Well, one angle to look at it could be from the newly released emails about their beliefs, so
how do the marriages fit in with the 7 stated missions put into motion last year:

1. Translate ancient records
2. Write book about the translation process
3. Identify locations in northeast Arizona for white camps
4. Presidency of the Church of Firstborn
5. Help establish the food distribution as the tribulations start and the delegate
6. Ordain individuals to translation as the camps begin
7. Provide supplies to righteous members of families

Are some/any/all of these people really committed this mission? How do the marriages further these goals, if at all? Is it really just about the life insurance, and you don't really know if you are the payee or the payor until you are dead? Why would they even bother to create a government record of marriage if they are so anti-government?
MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHERE ARE JJ AND TYLEE?
moo.

 

[Anonymous91]

Could be... but what type of illegal activity are you thinking? (My mind is pretty wild and nothing would surprise me with this case, but I can't imagine this aspect, jmo)

The knee-jerk reaction was drugs (Watched too many movies with this being a common theme), but that doesn't make any sense, so I immediately dismissed this.

See how media conditions us, it can be downright dangerous. That's all we need to add, is to add some crazy drug empire scenario to this craziness. Take the crazy to a whole new level. I am joking, just for anyone who is wondering.

I did speculate if this had to do something to do with the kids (most likely scenario). Not sure how far I want to speculate on that though.

It could be: blackmail, hush money, murder for hire, or be something benign like paying off someone that is taking care of the kids.

Or, it could be nothing at all. Just one of those random thoughts that popped in my head, and thought to share it, see if it goes anywhere.

MOO

 

[MdlAgedCatLady]

Lori Vallow’s niece cooperating with FBI

Not sure if this has been posted yet. Apparently, MBP really is cooperating. She’s surrendered her computer and had multiple interviews with the FBI.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for Chad. He made his bed, he can sleep in it. jmo

Police release photos of mother, stepdad who are now 'persons of interest' in connection to children's disappearance | East Idaho News

 

[BigAl16]

Anonymous91 said: ↑
Wild Speculation Only.

Could this baggie of cash be for paying off someone for something not legal, or at the very least, shady?

A baggie full of cash makes more sense if you are exchanging it for illegal purposes.

MOO

Many years ago- during my more free and wild years, we would always tell our friends before going out that you better have enough cash for bail money if you plan to cause trouble. My girlfriends and I would remind each other not to act up because we didn't have enough cash between us to bail someone out of jail so you best behave yourself, lol... I can't see the honeymooners causing a ruckus but they may have been carrying enough- just in case, something happened. MOO

Turns out the baggie was almost $5 million short.

 

[Redvines86]

For those that may have followed other cases, what do you think of the FBI setting up in Rexburg like they did?

 

[kye0001]

For those that may have followed other cases, what do you think of the FBI setting up in Rexburg like they did?

I think they’ll need more than one command centre lorry to get to the bottom of this. Hopefully more are on the way! JMO

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Lori Vallow’s niece cooperating with FBI

Not sure if this has been posted yet. Apparently, MBP really is cooperating. She’s surrendered her computer and had multiple interviews with the FBI.

Well, to me, there is cooperating, and then there is "cooperating." Moo.

 

[BigAl16]

The knee-jerk reaction was drugs (Watched too many movies with this being a common theme), but that doesn't make any sense, so I immediately dismissed this.

See how media conditions us, it can be downright dangerous. That's all we need to add, is to add some crazy drug empire scenario to this craziness. Take the crazy to a whole new level. I am joking, just for anyone who is wondering.

I did speculate if this had to do something to do with the kids (most likely scenario). Not sure how far I want to speculate on that though.

It could be: blackmail, hush money, murder for hire, or be something benign like paying off someone that is taking care of the kids.

Or, it could be nothing at all. Just one of those random thoughts that popped in my head, and thought to share it, see if it goes anywhere.

MOO

It could be because cash isn't traceable, at least not without LE doing some prep work in advance, whereas other payment options usually are. Why they didn't want some of their spending to be tracked could be relatively innocent, or not even close to innocent.

 

[OGDiva]

Turns out the baggie was almost $5 million short.

Yes, you are right, however, they assumed any bail would be $10,000 so I wonder if they were walking around with $1000.00 just in case!

 

[Anonymous91]

I'm not convinced of evil intentions. Definitely strange actions. I was the first to say that back in October when I heard the funeral was so soon after her death, and all along the way since then.

How often do people react out of fear. If it was suggested even once that anyone in the family thought Chad killed his beloved Tammy, how would it be expected for him to react? If innocent, I see a man trying to hurry and do the best with what he was given to draw criticism away from himself and his children. If he would have submitted to the calls of autopsy the claim would have been that he was doing it just as a show. Natural causes or poison, if people are out for blood (tell me they're not. Look at the court of Facebook and the court of public opinion in the news), he can't win. If the threats were real, he can't win. Whether he killed her or not, he's a pariah. Everything he says is scrutinized even through the lens of up to a decade of different experiences.

I'm not convinced he killed Tammy or knows the children's whereabouts.

I'm on the same page as you. Even though, I personally don't know Chad.

I believe he is responsible for what has been fact checked, and he will need to face the consequences on his poor choices. I'm waiting to see what happens next.

Like you said, he's between a rock and a hard place. If he is innocent, and had nothing to do with TD and the kids disappearance, he is guilty by association.

His body language reminds me of myself when I get nervous, even if I haven't done anything wrong.

LEO says that he was being cooperative.

When he shook the reporters hand, he may have done so out of nervousness.

I read that he seemed to be genuinely alarmed about the Paintball incident, and the day his wife was found dead it is stated that he appeared to be grieving as one would expect.

So, either he was being genuine, or he is one hell of an actor.

That being said, there are things that seem counter intuitive to me also:

- Marrying LV less than 3 weeks after his wife died.
- This letter that has recently came out. At the very least, it would be a deception to their respective spouses. My gut feeling is that there was some type of affair going on (even if it started off emotionally).
- Lying about knowing Lori well, not having her phone number, etc.
- Asking Melani to lie to the police.
- His body language when Nate attempted to interview him and Lori. It didn't seem nervous at that point in time.

So, I am torn on what to think about Chad.
MOO

 

[Teche]

FBI Mobile Command Center arrives in eastern Idaho to assist Rexburg Police with investigation | East Idaho News

Ramping it up a notch for Chad!

 

[BigAl16]

True that! No better than Snopes as well.

Snopes pretty much lays out all the facts and how they came to their conclusions. It would be tough to be more transparent.<modsnip: rude and personalizing>

 

[jjenny]

It's way back in the thread but there's a reference to something Chad wrote about being visited by the spirit of Tammy's deceased grandmother who told him that Tammy should stop playing her Frontierville game and work on genealogy so that Chad could concentrate on writing.

I know. These sort of things were apparently how he got Tammy to do what he wanted. Personally I don't believe spirit of grandma visited him and told him Tammy should stop playing some game. But he seems to be basically claiming he is hearing these voices that tell him what to do.
But I am guessing he doesn't actually hear voices, he just uses this as a method to manipulate people.