Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

[VeryVeritas]

Just a crazy idea, though it has been mentioned a few times that maybe AxC did not shoot CV. But say he didn’t, someone else does (we know who we are thinking did) then LV sends him to shoot BB, he’s a nervous wreck and misses. Then she sends him to Tammy, same story, he’s never shot anyone, can’t. Tasing someone is way different to most than shooting them. Many men think Taser’s are just fun, like paintball and air soft guns. Kind of a proving ground. JMO MOO

ETA now, poison is different, that one can be set up ahead and doesn’t have to have one there when it takes effect.

That's a good theory since LVD is the psychopath... It fits with my alternate idea that AxC actually did have emotions, LVD did her own children in and he couldn't deal with that, and he may have committed suicide. So then I also was thinking previously that shooting CV 5 times in the chest was excessive, there is no proof of who did that shooting - AxC just took the credit/blame. Curious then if LVD or her exes had guns, etc... she may have been trained and practiced. The only reason I can think of to use that semi-auto with the suppressor on it was to keep the noise down, otherwise it was a goofy choice (fortunately for BB).

 

[Onsdag]

They have 13K members. They don't get $4.95 a month from 13K people. We've discussed this multiple times. Also, that 13K number is for the overall AVOW site and however many actually are paying to access that, the number for the GRI subforum would be some smaller number unless every person also subscribes to the subforum. What are the odds of that?

The job with Falls Printing he quit some time ago. (I don't remember when we were told he quit, but long enough ago that he'd be telling lies to pretend that income was still current, no longer what his Linkedin account might say.)

MOO

Actually, per their latest email from Friday, "AVOW currently has 18,131 total members."

But you're right, not all of those are active/paying members. And of those not everyone is subscribed to the GRI. Furthermore, we don't even know how much kickback Chad receives for his part in writing for and/or publishing the GRI. I highly doubt it's $30k/month worth, but it still may be a decent form of income for him.

 

[divineappt]

Marking my place to start the day/week. I wonder what is setting in with Lori and her mental state now...Nobody has come to her rescue...Then we have Chad sitting out in Salem in the family home (Tammy's Home) basically waiting for a SWAT team to pull him out and throw him on the hood of a unmarked car. Someone is going to crack..MOO

RSBM BBM That mental vision gave me a much needed chuckle!

 

[divineappt]

That's a good theory since LVD is the psychopath... It fits with my alternate idea that AxC actually did have emotions, LVD did her own children in and he couldn't deal with that, and he may have committed suicide. So then I also was thinking previously that shooting CV 5 times in the chest was excessive, there is no proof of who did that shooting - AxC just took the credit/blame. Curious then if LVD or her exes had guns, etc... she may have been trained and practiced. The only reason I can think of to use that semi-auto with the suppressor on it was to keep the noise down, otherwise it was a goofy choice (fortunately for BB).

Just my speculation, but my late husband was LE and a firearms instructor. I have also, because of that, had a lot of instruction and firing many weapons. (Not saying I am proficient, but can do what I need to do.) Have never used a suppressor. But my experience has been that the closer you are the lousier you’re aim can be and you will still usually hit the target if large enough. It may take 4 or 5 shots to completely do the job.

 

[JosefZ]

The Navajo Nation is not going to allow outsiders to occupy their land.....even Natives don't own land - they can "use" it only. All land belongs to the Nation. You have to be a Native or married to a Native to live there.

ETA If one is employed on the reservation (ie as a teacher, medical professional, etc.), they will provide housing.

Totally agree, the furthest east I would speculate is in the Fredonia area. My wife and I will be on the road in April, traveling through Utah , into Northern Arizona, and over through to the four corners into SW Colorado. If any specific geo locations come into play that we’re close to I’d be more than happy to explore. We’ll be flexible time wise.

 

[Sachi]

Marking my place to start the day/week. I wonder what is setting in with Lori and her mental state now...Nobody has come to her rescue...Then we have Chad sitting out in Salem in the family home (Tammy's Home) basically waiting for a SWAT team to pull him out and throw him on the hood of a unmarked car. Someone is going to crack..MOO

VINELink

LORI N VALLOW
Custody Record

Age46
GenderFemale
RaceWhite
ID: Madison County Sheriff's Office
ID Number174174
Custody StatusIn Custody
Custody DetailMadison County Detention Center



iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts
Case Information
CR33-20-0302 | State of Idaho Plaintiff, vs. Lori Norene Vallow Defendant.
Case Number
CR33-20-0302

Court
Madison County Magistrate Court

Judicial Officer
Mallard, Michelle Radford

• 05/07/2020 Preliminary Hearing
  
  Judicial Officer
  Mallard, Michelle Radford
  
  Hearing Time
  9:00 AM
  
  
• 05/08/2020 Preliminary Hearing
  
  Judicial Officer
  Mallard, Michelle Radford
  
  Hearing Time
  9:00 AM

I feel this scenario! Bring it LE! , Where are JJ and Tylee?

 

[BigAl16]

Actually, per their latest email from Friday, "AVOW currently has 18,131 total members."

But you're right, not all of those are active/paying members. And of those not everyone is subscribed to the GRI. Furthermore, we don't even know how much kickback Chad receives for his part in writing for and/or publishing the GRI. I highly doubt it's $30k/month worth, but it still may be a decent form of income for him.

Right, they claim to have 18K members (up from 15 and 13 prior to that, if I remember what has been reported), but the software on their forum says there are 10K with 3,300 of them active. I know which one I believe. I'll concede that it appears those 3,300 active members means someone gets the $5 a month which would be 15K a month. I'll guess that person is CP, minus his expenses for servers and whatever other expenses there are. Some percentage of those people are in GRI so if Chad gets a percentage of the money from GRI I could see the money not being trivial. But also far shy of 30K and far from what Lori would hope for, IMO. Median income in the us is 50K/year. If 1/3 of the AVOW members are in the GRI forum (maybe, but doubtful) and Chad gets 100% of the GRI revenue (also doubtful) that would be $5,500/month or $66K/year. What are the odds of that?

MOO

 

[Campizi67]

Have you checked it recently? Has it always been private or has that happened in the last month or so.?

I first checked it about a month ago and from what I have been able to ascertain, it has always been private.

Since we are on the topic of SM accounts
According to one of the media interviews with CR, he does briefly mention the SM accounts of the missing kids. (link below) but while reading it, something stood out to me;

CR makes the following statement-
Colby also was finally able to explain the Venmo transactions. For months, the public has speculated on two Venmo transactions sending money from Tylee’s account to Colby in October. Colby explained that Lori would often use Tylee’s account to send him money, so it wasn’t strange. Lori was not very tech-savvy and found it easier to use her daughter’s account. Those transfers are some of the last known activity from Tylee’s social media accounts.

The reason I have underlined and emboldened the above sentence is that CR states LVD is not very tech savvy while this is his opinion,.....I disagree. I interpret this as LVD in fact, IS tech savvy. What a perfect way to transfer money without notice. IMO, calculating perhaps...

Think about it, she was found with Tylee's bank card, Joshua's iPad, another iPad logged into Joshua's Apple account.....She knew exactly what she needed to do in order to stay under the radar and carry out her plans. imo (link below)

What comes next after Lori Vallow was arrested in Hawaii?


Lori Vallow's adult son speaks out about his mother's lies and his stepfather's death

 

[tresir2012]

They have 13K members. They don't get $4.95 a month from 13K people. We've discussed this multiple times. Also, that 13K number is for the overall AVOW site and however many actually are paying to access that, the number for the GRI subforum would be some smaller number unless every person also subscribes to the subforum. What are the odds of that?

The job with Falls Printing he quit some time ago. (I don't remember when we were told he quit, but long enough ago that he'd be telling lies to pretend that income was still current, no longer what his Linkedin account might say.)

MOO

I didn't say he got subs from 13k people did I? Re his Falls Printing job, do you have a newer link showing when he quit? Otherwise we only have that Linkedin source to go by. This is an estimate I am attempting here only. I want to try to understand what he is getting out of all this since 2014. What do you think he is earning if you dislike my figures?

 

[tresir2012]

The Navajo Nation is not going to allow outsiders to occupy their land.....even Natives don't own land - they can "use" it only. All land belongs to the Nation. You have to be a Native or married to a Native to live there.

ETA If one is employed on the reservation (ie as a teacher, medical professional, etc.), they will provide housing.

What about Snowflake in Navajo County. They have a large Mormon population there. Could that be a good white camp location?

Snowflake, Arizona - Wikipedia

 

[VeryVeritas]

Just my speculation, but my late husband was LE and a firearms instructor. I have also, because of that, had a lot of instruction and firing many weapons. (Not saying I am proficient, but can do what I need to do.) Have never used a suppressor. But my experience has been that the closer you are the lousier you’re aim can be and you will still usually hit the target if large enough. It may take 4 or 5 shots to completely do the job.

Depends what "Job" you are trying to accomplish. Death would seem to have been the objective here.
Do you think AxC ran to get his gun or that while AxC and CV were wrestling that LVD went and got the gun?
In a self defense situation sure you can get away with shooting an unarmed person to death... but was it really necessary?
Even aside from the notion that CV appears to have been set up and believed LVD was wanting to kill him...
Simply pulling the gun out and telling CV to freeze and get on the ground, then calling LE probably would have worked.
I don't believe CV would have then charged at the person holding the gun.
Instead someone had the time to run and get the gun and then come back and blast him to death with complete certainty.
It's very hard to take AxC and LVD's side in light of all of the other facts and inconsistencies in statements to LE regarding CV's shooting.
It's highly unlikely that CV intended to kill anyone with a bat he grabbed from TR (assuming it even was TR that had the bat to begin with).

That incident is also a lesson for people with any kind of domestic and especially child custody type of issue.
You can be greeted warmly into a home and then shot to death, your word against the living. (especially if any witnesses all die or vanish too)
Wise to never been in that situation. A different kind of "social distancing".

 

[BigAl16]

I didn't say he got subs from 13k people did I? Re his Falls Printing job, do you have a newer link showing when he quit? Otherwise we only have that Linkedin source to go by. This is an estimate I am attempting here only. I want to try to understand what he is getting out of all this since 2014. What do you think he is earning if you dislike my figures?

I threw out some numbers that, if correct, would have had him making 66K from AVOW. We don't know that he was getting income from AVOW, but if I were to guess it would be that he was, but less than that. I'll say 45K from AVOW and a trivial amount ($5K tops) from his writing. Maybe another $5-10K between him and Tammy from the publishing company for profits from the books written by others. I'm not sure how much a school librarian makes, but would guess it was nip and tuck as to who brought in a bigger share of the family income between Chad and Tammy.

MOO

 

[VeryVeritas]

I first checked it about a month ago and from what I have been able to ascertain, it has always been private.

Since we are on the topic of SM accounts
According to one of the media interviews with CR, he does briefly mention the SM accounts of the missing kids. (link below) but while reading it, something stood out to me;

CR makes the following statement-
Colby also was finally able to explain the Venmo transactions. For months, the public has speculated on two Venmo transactions sending money from Tylee’s account to Colby in October. Colby explained that Lori would often use Tylee’s account to send him money, so it wasn’t strange. Lori was not very tech-savvy and found it easier to use her daughter’s account. Those transfers are some of the last known activity from Tylee’s social media accounts.

The reason I have underlined and emboldened the above sentence is that CR states LVD is not very tech savvy while this is his opinion,.....I disagree. I interpret this as LVD in fact, IS tech savvy. What a perfect way to transfer money without notice. IMO, calculating perhaps...

Think about it, she was found with Tylee's bank card, Joshua's iPad, another iPad logged into Joshua's Apple account.....She knew exactly what she needed to do in order to stay under the radar and carry out her plans. imo (link below)

What comes next after Lori Vallow was arrested in Hawaii?


Lori Vallow's adult son speaks out about his mother's lies and his stepfather's death

Agreed! LVD was keeping at least some of this activity going to make it seem like people (at least TR) was still around.
The money transfer may have just been easier to use TR's account under the circumstances.
At the same time, LVD has been show to use aliases and old ID to have multiple identities.

Since she had withdrawn JJ from the AZ school, logging into their system doesn't make much sense.
It's possible that it was set up to reconnect and login when the device was powered on, especially if it was just a browser session and pwd was saved. I'm not aware of any activity where LVD posed as JJ.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

I didn't say he got subs from 13k people did I? Re his Falls Printing job, do you have a newer link showing when he quit? Otherwise we only have that Linkedin source to go by. This is an estimate I am attempting here only. I want to try to understand what he is getting out of all this since 2014. What do you think he is earning if you dislike my figures?

He no longer works for Falls Printing since some time in 2018. There's a podcast June 25, 2018 titled: ____ PODCAST 041 - Chad Daybell Quits his Day Job and Reclaims Liberty!
From my understanding of the position is that he oversaw print jobs in person at the Idaho Falls facility. At the very latest he wasn't connected to the position in 2019 as it would be very difficult to do from his home 40 miles away or from Hawaii.

MOO: If he is earning anything from books, etc. it isn't very much. I doubt the 30,000 per month was anything other than Tammy's life insurance policy extrapolated to a single year. Else, why hasn't he been able to bail Lori?

 

[tresir2012]

I threw out some numbers that, if correct, would have had him making 66K from AVOW. We don't know that he was getting income from AVOW, but if I were to guess it would be that he was, but less than that. I'll say 45K from AVOW and a trivial amount ($5K tops) from his writing. Maybe another $5-10K between him and Tammy from the publishing company for profits from the books written by others. I'm not sure how much a school librarian makes, but would guess it was nip and tuck as to who brought in a bigger share of the family income between Chad and Tammy.

MOO

What about the Falls Printing job. LinkedIn states 2016- present. What would a sales Executive earn about $50-60k p.a. perhaps? Do you have a source when he left that job? I also notice the address for that was BYU but that could be wrong. So he would have been earning a decent amount per annum adding it all together. I believe he moved to Rexburg in 2015 because of AVOW so there had to be money in it for him IMO.

ETA I see Rex sleuth has given a leaving date.

 

[Teche]

I was hoping we would have heard news from the multi agency multi state meeting. Not a peep.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

What about the Falls Printing job. LinkedIn states 2016- present. What would a sales Executive earn about $50-60k p.a. perhaps? Do you have a source when he left that job? I also notice the address for that was BYU but that could be wrong. So he would have been earning a decent amount per annum adding it all together. I believe he moved to Rexburg in 2015 because of AVOW so there had to be money in it for him IMO.

<----- source. Podcast from group we're not supposed to link to is a second.

ETA: as for how much? I don't know. and the AVOW, GRI, other sites? Also unknown. Possibly some substantial income. But not enough to bail her out. If he even makes 30K per month, it would take years to build that much collateral.

ETA2: MOO: There's no way he earned 50-60K at that job. Median income for Idaho Falls is $45,680. This job would have required some skills and prior training but no advanced degree. I'd be surprised if he earned more than that independently after leaving the position, else why was Tammy working? Yes, she loved her job, but if she didn't need to work because of his income, she might not have. And look at Chad's extravagance with Lori. They would not have stayed in Salem home. After coming back to Idaho, he would have at least rented a place rather than staying in the home his late wife died in. He's not loaded with cash, he's trying to pinch every penny, but the Hawaii vacation took a huge toll from his wallet.

 

[longtimereader]

my vote goes for JM. In the neighborhood, claims all his LE and military experience. I still think there was supposed to be an earlier attempt on CV. (Remember when April in HI said Lori was expecting CV to die). To me is is one obvious "reinforcement" that they thought they could count on.

I agree.

 

[tresir2012]

He no longer works for Falls Printing since some time in 2018. There's a podcast June 25, 2018 titled: ____ PODCAST 041 - Chad Daybell Quits his Day Job and Reclaims Liberty!
From my understanding of the position is that he oversaw print jobs in person at the Idaho Falls facility. At the very latest he wasn't connected to the position in 2019 as it would be very difficult to do from his home 40 miles away or from Hawaii.

MOO: If he is earning anything from books, etc. it isn't very much. I doubt the 30,000 per month was anything other than Tammy's life insurance policy extrapolated to a single year. Else, why hasn't he been able to bail Lori?

Ok so mid 2018 he quits the Falls Printing job if that podcast is correct. Thanks for the info. He must have had a source of income to replace what he was receiving from that job. He hasn't been able to bail Lori because he does not have any assets worth $900k, I guess and he may need to keep his cash for his own bail and attorney fees for himself and Lori. So did the money from his GRI newsletter subs help him quit that job I wonder? If he was only on $45k pa then by June 2018 his GRI income may have begun to exceed that so coukd be the reason he jacked it in.

ETA Quitting his day job would have given him more time for other pastimes, like attending conferences with Lori.

 

[Tortoise]

I was hoping we would have heard news from the multi agency multi state meeting. Not a peep.

This was the statement they issued on 11th March

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