Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

[tresir2012]

Tylee went missing on September 8. Attempt on Brandon was on Oct 2nd. How would Tyleee thus be a witnesses to attempted murder of Brandon?

She was last seen then. Not reported missing till 20th December. She could well have been in Az with MBP or other relatives or friends. Where was the jeep from 8th September till 2nd Oct? LE may have been looking for them all for longer than we actually know about.

Now I think about it more maybe she left with MBP after YNP to go to Az and took her jeep too.

 

[Tortoise]

The wheel and rear seat of the jeep were removed so that shooter could fire out of the back of the jeep. Chad helped by moving the tyre and seat into the storage unit. But he didn't know Lori very well he told LE two months later on 26th Nov, despite having been married to her for 3 weeks by then. The buttslap and tyre storage proves he knew her very well. MOO.

And I would add that these two items were not so large that they could not be stored in the trunk of Lori's car, or in one of the garages of the townhouses they occupied, and they were items (the seat specifically) which very obviously have a proper place - the vehicle from which they were removed. They are not items one has just hanging around in one's property, or that one went out of their way to bring to their new home, and decides to move into long term store, like a family heirloom, or skiing equipment.

Therefore, I would argue, if I were prosecuting, that it is obvious that the people who interrupted their own routines to hurry that day, a significant day, to travel, load, transport and unload into store, (unless they were mentally challenged or in the habit of giving up their time to complete patently unnecessary missions for other people), were aware that the purpose of putting them into storage was to hide incriminating evidence of vehicle modification of a vehicle being used in a crime, more specifically a plan to murder.

Sure he could say he thought these were 'normal' household items that Lori had an urgent need to put into long term storage and he didn't ask questions about why she had an empty storage locker and how they happened to get into her trunk, and couldn't stay there or be put in one of the garages at her disposal, why her brother Alex couldn't help her that day, and why the seat and tire were removed from the Jeep and couldn't be put back, and where the Jeep was. That would be for a jury to decide, based on his credibility, being with Lori on the day the shooting happened and perhaps while she received updates from Alex or Melani, and how palpable his excitement was after successfully shifting car parts around with his mistress, right before his own wife's 'unexpected' demise.

moo

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Why exactly couldn't police have made in arrest in attempted murder of Brandon? I am more confused than ever about that. They had a video of the Jeep belonging to Charles Vallow. They had Bradon's statements, and Brandon believed that Alex shot at him. Did they even interview Alex?

IIRC the last contact with Alex by police, and perhaps the only time in these matters after CV shooting, was when RPD was doing a welfare check for JJ and found Alex and Chad at Lori's townhome. They looked him straight in the eye and asked him where the kids were and he lied, saying they were with Gramma KW. KW is who made the welfare check call. Wouldn't give them Lori's phone #. Other lies, like what apt she was in (it was empty). He felt serious heat. A week or so later, he marries and tries to change his last name and then days later *POOF* off to hell.

 

[Tortoise]

Ok now best case scenario is that Tylee (with JJ) is in hiding as she is somehow a witness to her relatives' conspiracy to murder, as well as it being her vehicle used in the attempt, which she would also know about. This is why the kids are "safe" and cannot be produced. What is the precedent for this? What if Tyler is voluntarily in hiding with JJ so she cannot be compelled to testify? Is it legal to keep your kids in hiding so they cannot be used as witnesses against you? Is it likely other relatives/friends/cult members are assisting?
MOO.

It wouldn't wash. Either the witness can be used to exonerate you because they have information that helps you, (no point of hiding them), or the witness can be used to incriminate you (consciousness of guilt and witness tampering, if you or anyone else hides them).

moo

 

[raysgirl1126]

FYI older article

Private Investigator Shares New Details On Missing Idaho Kids' Cousin, Family

"On October 2nd on my way home from the gym someone sat outside my home and shot a gun at me they hit my vehicle and missed my head by inches. I have reason to believe that this was related to all of the following events," Brandon Boudreaux wrote on Facebook on December 21.

In a 911 call from the incident, Brandon can be heard telling the dispatcher, "someone just shot my window."

Brandon Boudreaux described those events in the same Facebook post, writing that his wife, Melani, asked him for a divorce in June 2019 after spending time with Lori and "a new religious group, that we refer to as a 'cult.'"

"My wife at this time melani began spending a lot of time with this group, at the end of june she demanded a divorce claiming revelation about things that were not real and there was no evidence given just a claim of being told by the savior," Boudreaux wrote on Facebook.

Robertson said he and Brandon Boudreaux met on Oct. 13.

"He was so anxious that we actually met in my office on a Sunday morning and he told me this wild tale of killing and missing people and religious cults and that he had been the victim of a drive-by shooting," Robertson said.

"Basically, the bottom line for him at that point was he was hoping I could find Alex Cox and the Jeep that Alex was driving, and he hoped that I could find his wife, whom he had lost contact with for about two weeks," Robertson explained. "They were going through a divorce and they were supposed to exchange their four kids and she didn't show up for the last meeting. And then he was the target of the drive-by shooting and he thought that he recognized his assailant as being Alex Cox."

I'm extremely curious what happened between 10/2 and 10/13 that got BB so shook up. He met with his PI on a Sunday?! Seems strange. I'm wondering what happened after the shooting, were there possible threats, did he find out about his wife's possible affair, etc. Just brain storming, only my opinion. Sorry if this was discussed on another thread, I have been following since the end of December but these threads move fast.

Also noting from this same article

"Lori's niece, Melani, and brother followed her to Idaho shortly after. Robertson said he first observed Cox and Melani Boudreaux packing things from her house in Chandler, Arizona, into a U-Haul on October 31 and November 1 before driving up to Rexburg. But Robertson said he watched as Melani, a mother of four young children, and Cox discarded children's items on the curb. "

I'm 100% sure this is on @Gardener1850 fabulous timeline just wanted to bring up that we do know that AC was in AZ 10/31 & 11/1.

 

[Tortoise]

FYI older article

Private Investigator Shares New Details On Missing Idaho Kids' Cousin, Family

"On October 2nd on my way home from the gym someone sat outside my home and shot a gun at me they hit my vehicle and missed my head by inches. I have reason to believe that this was related to all of the following events," Brandon Boudreaux wrote on Facebook on December 21.

In a 911 call from the incident, Brandon can be heard telling the dispatcher, "someone just shot my window."

Brandon Boudreaux described those events in the same Facebook post, writing that his wife, Melani, asked him for a divorce in June 2019 after spending time with Lori and "a new religious group, that we refer to as a 'cult.'"

"My wife at this time melani began spending a lot of time with this group, at the end of june she demanded a divorce claiming revelation about things that were not real and there was no evidence given just a claim of being told by the savior," Boudreaux wrote on Facebook.

Robertson said he and Brandon Boudreaux met on Oct. 13.

"He was so anxious that we actually met in my office on a Sunday morning and he told me this wild tale of killing and missing people and religious cults and that he had been the victim of a drive-by shooting," Robertson said.

"Basically, the bottom line for him at that point was he was hoping I could find Alex Cox and the Jeep that Alex was driving, and he hoped that I could find his wife, whom he had lost contact with for about two weeks," Robertson explained. "They were going through a divorce and they were supposed to exchange their four kids and she didn't show up for the last meeting. And then he was the target of the drive-by shooting and he thought that he recognized his assailant as being Alex Cox."

I'm extremely curious what happened between 10/2 and 10/13 that got BB so shook up. He met with his PI on a Sunday?! Seems strange. I'm wondering what happened after the shooting, were there possible threats, did he find out about his wife's possible affair, etc. Just brain storming, only my opinion. Sorry if this was discussed on another thread, I have been following since the end of December but these threads move fast.

Also noting from this same article

"Lori's niece, Melani, and brother followed her to Idaho shortly after. Robertson said he first observed Cox and Melani Boudreaux packing things from her house in Chandler, Arizona, into a U-Haul on October 31 and November 1 before driving up to Rexburg. But Robertson said he watched as Melani, a mother of four young children, and Cox discarded children's items on the curb. "

I'm 100% sure this is on @Gardener1850 fabulous timeline just wanted to bring up that we do know that AC was in AZ 10/31 & 11/1.

I'm not sure I understand why he wouldn't have been so shook up, by a bullet narrowly missing his head.

Do you mean what took him so long to meet with the PI? Maybe he expected an arrest and it didn't happen, or police didn't know where Alex and the Jeep had gone.

moo

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Maybe I haven't had enough coffee this morning, but I'm not clear on how Chad helping at the storage unit makes him guilty of this conspiracy beyond a doubt. I'm just unable to put all the details together at this point. I think I understand how Alex and Lori (and perhaps MBp) had obvious roles.

Would someone more knowledgeable (and perhaps more caffeinated) than myself please explain? I guess I'm wondering if Chad has plausible deniability (for the attempted murder of Brandon) or not.

In the context of telling JR being told "I can't move forward with my plan until Tammy's Death", upping her insurance, - BB fits into the same MO. Lori wasn't keeping Chad in the dark. He is in it neck deep. He is no ignorant, bumbling accomplice being manipulated by an evil genius. He was on the phone, conspiring with them. He helped put in storage the back seat and tire of the Jeep that no one used or needed. I can't wait to see his phone records.

Chad lies, telling people Lori is "an empty nester, no minor children" - yet caught on video moving kids bikes and toys, tripping over them at the apt entry. He knows about the kids. He knows they have been disposed of and He. Does. Not. Care. He knows about BB - and BB is an enemy of their plan, as was CV.

Slapping Lori on the butt, getting a quick smile, old email on future tribulation plans with Lori, and one faked from CV to get together. Podcasts together. Marrying two weeks after Tammy is killed. Acting giddy at the Kauai condo when looking for a place. If anyone denies they had a long affair, well denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Chad is so obviously deeply involved in all the conspiracies, if not a first hand death dealer (Tammy) these things build a case the defense can't effectively fight. And we know they have even more incriminating evidence. It keeps dribbling out. I feel he was part of the conspiracy on CV too...though that one might be tougher.

Chad's days as a free man are quite limited IMO, I doubt he makes it to May 1. The handcuffs are kept warmed up. Good thing he was pro active and got himself an attorney.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Did I read there's a hearing today at 2 on the motions? Jmo

 

[raysgirl1126]

I'm not sure I understand why he wouldn't have been so shook up, by a bullet narrowly missing his head.

Do you mean what took him so long to meet with the PI? Maybe he expected an arrest and it didn't happen, or police didn't know where Alex and the Jeep had gone.

moo

Yes that's exactly what I mean. MOO What took him so long to meet with the PI? And did something else happen after the shooting to push him to meet with the PI on a Sunday a week and a half later. imo

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Did I read there's a hearing today at 2 on the motions? Jmo

Yes, over the motion to disqualify the judge IIRC. Not sure if televised, will need to watch Nate.

 

[Tortoise]

Did I read there's a hearing today at 2 on the motions? Jmo

The hearing was to hear the motion without cause. It doesn't say whether it will be used to hear the new motion, which imo would be lengthier to argue and require some preparation. Maybe it wouldn't, and it will be a straight case of 'this has no merit. thank you. NEXT'

moo

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Yes that's exactly what I mean. MOO What took him so long to meet with the PI? And did something else happen after the shooting to push him to meet with the PI on a Sunday a week and a half later. imo

HA HA likely the police saying they don't have the resources to check on his crazy story. So he had to drop some tall green and do it himself.

ETA: There still hasn't been an arrest on this, even though Lori was in possession of the murder attempt car and she and Chad are on video putting the tire and back seat in storage to prep it for the hit run.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I'm not sure I understand why he wouldn't have been so shook up, by a bullet narrowly missing his head.

Do you mean what took him so long to meet with the PI? Maybe he expected an arrest and it didn't happen, or police didn't know where Alex and the Jeep had gone.

moo

This is what I have been thinking as well. There have been lots of frustrating experiences people have had with these POIs. (think Joe Ryan, Charles, and now BB.) BB knew what Charles had already been through, so a PI was an important step when nothing happened with LE. I also think that Chad and Lori were trying to be extra cautious during this period. They (probably imo) just got rid of two children. Chad and Lori and Alex were aware that "trouble" was coming from different directions. Kay had said she kept trying to text to Lori about JJ. And Lori probably knew that LE might try to find them (including MBp) if they were lucky enough to have killed BB. So I think they were trying to act like "detectives" to cover their deeds.

 

[Picklepuck]

So this is irking me. I would love to know why Mr Means originally filed for disqualification without a cause, and then decided to change it to disqualification WITH a cause (conflict of interest), but only AFTER Mr Woods objected to the original request. I know I asked about the original request for disqualification without a cause and someone said it could be a conflict of interest because of Kay and Larry's civil suit, which makes sense, but why didn't MM ask for a disqualification WITH cause from the beginning? Was he hoping that it would just be granted, as each side gets that one opportunity to request disqualification without cause, no questions asked? Or was it because Mr. Woods objected to the motion stating it wasn't filed in a timely manner (2)(a), therefore forcing MM to file for motion to disqualify WITH cause, which may or may not be granted? Or was it because he made an oopsie and overlooked clause (b)(4) of Rule 25 the first time he filed the motion? Am I making sense to anyone else? If not, let me know and I will try to clarify what I mean.

Edit: autocorrect failed me, so I changed the word opposite to oopsie.

 

[raysgirl1126]

So this is irking me. I would love to know why Mr Means originally filed for disqualification without a cause, and then decided to change it to disqualification WITH a cause (conflict of interest), but only AFTER Mr Woods objected to the original request. I know I asked about the original request for disqualification without a cause and someone said it could be a conflict of interest because of Kay and Larry's civil suit, which makes sense, but why didn't MM ask for a disqualification WITH cause from the beginning? Was he hoping that it would just be granted, as each side gets that one opportunity to request disqualification without cause, no questions asked? Or was it because Mr. Woods objected to the motion stating it wasn't filed in a timely manner (2)(a), therefore forcing MM to file for motion to disqualify WITH cause, which may or may not be granted? Or was it because he made an opposite and overlooked clause (b)(4) of Rule 25 the first time he filed the motion? Am I making sense to anyone else? If not, let me know and I will try to clarify what I mean.

Yes, it makes sense what you're asking although I don't no the answer. Maybe @AZlawyer can answer this for all of us. After all he/she was the one to predict the objection. moo

 

[JosefZ]

There are currently 22 missions being affected. All missionaries from these areas are being sent home, the rest are being quarantined for the time being. Not sure where Chad's son is serving now though.

This is the current list:
Adriatic South Mission
Alpine German-Speaking Mission
Belgium/Netherlands Mission
Czech/Slovak Mission
Denmark Copenhagen Mission
England Birmingham Mission
England Leeds Mission
England London Mission
England Manchester Mission
Finland Helsinki Mission
France Paris Mission
France Lyon Mission
Germany Berlin Mission
Germany Frankfurt Mission
Italy Milan Mission
Italy Rome Mission
Norway Oslo Mission
Portugal Lisbon Mission
Scotland/Ireland Mission
Spain Barcelona Mission
Spain Madrid Mission
Sweden Stockholm Mission

It is a guess that he is in Soweto, Gauteng missioning in SAf 2018-2020, this according to his fb page. MOO

 

[Randocalrissian]

It is a guess that he is in Soweto, Gauteng missioning in SAf 2018-2020, this according to his fb page. MOO

This has been answered already. He is in South Africa, and even if he were in Europe, only the elderly or sick missionaries are being sent home. Let’s close this rabbit hole.

 

[Tortoise]

So this is irking me. I would love to know why Mr Means originally filed for disqualification without a cause, and then decided to change it to disqualification WITH a cause (conflict of interest), but only AFTER Mr Woods objected to the original request. I know I asked about the original request for disqualification without a cause and someone said it could be a conflict of interest because of Kay and Larry's civil suit, which makes sense, but why didn't MM ask for a disqualification WITH cause from the beginning? Was he hoping that it would just be granted, as each side gets that one opportunity to request disqualification without cause, no questions asked? Or was it because Mr. Woods objected to the motion stating it wasn't filed in a timely manner (2)(a), therefore forcing MM to file for motion to disqualify WITH cause, which may or may not be granted? Or was it because he made an oopsie and overlooked clause (b)(4) of Rule 25 the first time he filed the motion? Am I making sense to anyone else? If not, let me know and I will try to clarify what I mean.

Edit: autocorrect failed me, so I changed the word opposite to oopsie.

IMO it is going to be hard to successfully argue the judge has a bias and can't fairly adjudicate the matter of probable cause.

Not related to your question but I did note that @AZlawyer says this motion will most likely have to go before a different judge, so I don't know if that will also impact on today's 2pm hearing.

moo

 

[MorkyLovesMint]

This is a great article. Bondspeople so human afterall!! No really, quite informative. I am also intriqued with the increased publicity and articles that Deseret is giving to this. Their spread is wide, but they are in Utah not AZ or ID.

Even though no crimes were committed in Utah (that we know of), Utah is where Chad and Tammy grew up, raised their family, where Tammy was buried and exhumed, and where many of their relatives and friends reside. This is one of the craziest crime stories most of us have ever heard. When you add the bizarre LDS aspects tied to the POIs, and with Utah having the highest concentration of members of the LDS church, this story is even more interesting to Utah audiences. Most of the Mormons in my circle are following the case, especially as news stations in Utah are covering the story more extensively.

 

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