Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

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  • #321
There is something so creepy about LV going to TD's funeral. Did LV know TD? I wonder if they ever met.

I wish I could figure out what the right word is to describe what Lori was doing there. Like an arsonist going back to their intentionally-set fire along combined with the thrill of doing something nefarious right under your victim's nose. It's truly disgusting behavior.
 
  • #322
This has been answered already. He is in South Africa, and even if he were in Europe, only the elderly or sick missionaries are being sent home. Let’s close this rabbit hole.
In all fairness, this case is so absurdly twisted, that not everyone here on WS has read every comment in the 28 threads, or may have overlooked this tidbit of info in prior comments. Additionally, I had no idea he was in Soweto, Gauteng, nor did I know that was in South Africa (yay me, learning some new geography, lol). So I for one, appreciated the comment that JosefZ posted. It is far from a rabbit hole. Just a direct answer to a question.
 
  • #323
I'm not sure I understand why he wouldn't have been so shook up, by a bullet narrowly missing his head.

Do you mean what took him so long to meet with the PI? Maybe he expected an arrest and it didn't happen, or police didn't know where Alex and the Jeep had gone.

moo
I think that was it. Noone knew that Lori and the kids had moved to Rexburg until KVW tracked her down via the Amazon address mid November timeframe. The PI tracked MB moving to Rexburg with Alex's help at the beginning of November.
 
  • #324
Double posted, DBM
 
  • #325
I wish I could figure out what the right word is to describe what Lori was doing there. Like an arsonist going back to their intentionally-set fire along combined with the thrill of doing something nefarious right under your victim's nose. It's truly disgusting behavior.
I'd like to know how she 'found out' about Tammy dying and the memorial plans. Did Chad go to church on the Sunday?

I just don't see Lori as the type to be pouring over the memorial announcements and obituaries in the local paper, unless she was waiting for one.

moo
 
  • #326
FYI older article

Private Investigator Shares New Details On Missing Idaho Kids' Cousin, Family

"On October 2nd on my way home from the gym someone sat outside my home and shot a gun at me they hit my vehicle and missed my head by inches. I have reason to believe that this was related to all of the following events," Brandon Boudreaux wrote on Facebook on December 21.

In a 911 call from the incident, Brandon can be heard telling the dispatcher, "someone just shot my window."

Brandon Boudreaux described those events in the same Facebook post, writing that his wife, Melani, asked him for a divorce in June 2019 after spending time with Lori and "a new religious group, that we refer to as a 'cult.'"

"My wife at this time melani began spending a lot of time with this group, at the end of june she demanded a divorce claiming revelation about things that were not real and there was no evidence given just a claim of being told by the savior," Boudreaux wrote on Facebook.

Robertson said he and Brandon Boudreaux met on Oct. 13.

"He was so anxious that we actually met in my office on a Sunday morning and he told me this wild tale of killing and missing people and religious cults and that he had been the victim of a drive-by shooting," Robertson said.

"Basically, the bottom line for him at that point was he was hoping I could find Alex Cox and the Jeep that Alex was driving, and he hoped that I could find his wife, whom he had lost contact with for about two weeks," Robertson explained. "They were going through a divorce and they were supposed to exchange their four kids and she didn't show up for the last meeting. And then he was the target of the drive-by shooting and he thought that he recognized his assailant as being Alex Cox."


I'm extremely curious what happened between 10/2 and 10/13 that got BB so shook up. He met with his PI on a Sunday?! Seems strange. I'm wondering what happened after the shooting, were there possible threats, did he find out about his wife's possible affair, etc. Just brain storming, only my opinion. Sorry if this was discussed on another thread, I have been following since the end of December but these threads move fast.

Also noting from this same article

"Lori's niece, Melani, and brother followed her to Idaho shortly after. Robertson said he first observed Cox and Melani Boudreaux packing things from her house in Chandler, Arizona, into a U-Haul on October 31 and November 1 before driving up to Rexburg. But Robertson said he watched as Melani, a mother of four young children, and Cox discarded children's items on the curb. "

I'm 100% sure this is on @Gardener1850 fabulous timeline just wanted to bring up that we do know that AC was in AZ 10/31 & 11/1.

Quite a lot happened between 2nd and 13th Oct. Specifically, Chad sent Tammy to her parents and when she returned she was shot at by what she thought was a paintball gun. Brandon thought the gun that shot at him was a paintball gun at first. I think he could have been told by LE or somehow found out about this Tammy incident, and then hired the PI straightaway.

From the timeline

3 Oct 2019 - Lori and a man (Possibly Alex) visit her Rexburg storage unit (East Idaho News).

4 Oct 2019 - Tammy Daybell visits her parents in Springville, UT about 15 days before she died; She was healthy and doing Zumba and a clogging class according to her dad.

4 Oct 2019 - A judgement is entered in the San Tan Valley eviction case against Alex (Court records).

Between 6 Oct – 26 Oct 2019 – A man (possibly Alex), visits Lori’s Rexburg Storage unit alone 5 times. He drops off a variety of items, including gun cases (East Idaho News)

6 Oct 2019, 1:42-1:50 pm – A man visits Lori’s storage unit alone in the pick-up truck belonging to Alex and he takes something out of the unit (Dateline).

9 Oct 2019 - Tammy has an encounter with a masked man with a gun outside her Salem home, which she contacts the police about. She also posted about it on Facebook:
“Something really weird just happened, and I want you to know so you can watch out,”...“I had gotten home and parked in our front driveway. As I was getting stuff out of the back seat, a guy wearing a ski mask was suddenly standing by the back of my car with a paintball gun. He shot at me several times, although I don’t think it was loaded. I yelled for Chad and he ran off around the back of my house...” (East Idaho News, Daily Mail)

10 Oct 2019, 5:39 pm – Venmo in Tylee’s name sent money to her older brother CR with a heart and “We love you”. CR says the money sent through Tylee’s account was from his mom Lori. CR figured his mom was having Tylee send money through her account because Lori is not very tech savvy. (CR interview w/Justin Lum, Fox10 Phoenix).
 
  • #327
Hope this link is okay to post. It is just informational stuff regarding the securing of a crime scene, but super detailed and quite informative. The link is for chapter 8, so those who are interested in other aspects, such as witness management, interrogation, etc., will see they can also read the chapters before and after to gain understanding in those areas of interest. As this is not MSM article, I assume I need to state this is MOO, but it seems pertinent to the day AxC killed CV. Again, JMO.
Chapter 8: Crime Scene Management – Introduction to Criminal Investigation: Processes, Practices and Thinking
 
  • #328
I'd like to know how she 'found out' about Tammy dying and the memorial plans. Did Chad go to church on the Sunday?

I just don't see Lori as the type to be pouring over the memorial announcements and obituaries in the local paper, unless she was waiting for one.

moo
Chad probably texted her to say his visions had come true. :-(
 
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  • #329
I wish I could figure out what the right word is to describe what Lori was doing there. Like an arsonist going back to their intentionally-set fire along combined with the thrill of doing something nefarious right under your victim's nose. It's truly disgusting behavior.

Lori was so anxious to get her claws into Chad, she couldn't wait till she was buried. :/
 
  • #330
I'd like to know how she 'found out' about Tammy dying and the memorial plans. Did Chad go to church on the Sunday?

I just don't see Lori as the type to be pouring over the memorial announcements and obituaries in the local paper, unless she was waiting for one.

moo

The "digital evidence tying Alex to Tammy's murder" will be very interesting, and I bet there is a lot, including multiple / daily calls between Lori and Chad around that time if not for months before. Chad may have had a burner phone? Or been really secretive with his phone. Oh I bet he thought he was so smart!
 
  • #331
IMO BB is one lucky dude. And SMART as well, stay in hiding with those BEAUTIFUL babies bro!! moo

ETA: wishing Charles had thought to hire a PI
I agree! I also wish that CV had told his estranged wife that he had changed his insurance policy and told his lawyers.... if anything happens to me it was LVD and AC! Then maybe he would still be here today....JMO
 
  • #332
I wish I could figure out what the right word is to describe what Lori was doing there. Like an arsonist going back to their intentionally-set fire along combined with the thrill of doing something nefarious right under your victim's nose. It's truly disgusting behavior.
A criminal always returns to the scene of a crime. Some say it is to witness their handiwork or the devastation they have wrought. Going to the funeral or memorial is witnessing the grief they have caused.

This link is interesting. It is about software being able to recognize faces and match if they appear at crime scenes more than is normal.

Detecting criminals coming back to the scene of the crime | Homeland Security Newswire

Thus the common denominator in these murders, attempted murders and disappearances appears to be Lori, Chad and Alex.
 
  • #333
I have to assume the FBI and other agencies have a ton of data yet no rescue or retrieval searches for the children have been conducted (that we know of) .....that's still a little worrying....
 
  • #334
When does the spring thaw usually happen in YNP - so the search of that area might begin??
 
  • #335
When does the spring thaw usually happen in YNP - so the search of that area might begin??

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  • #336
OT, apologies, but I once stayed in a hotel where half the rooms were friends and family for a wedding and the other half of the rooms were for a convention of the National Police Bloodhound Association. A couple of the friends and family abruptly moved to another hotel when they saw the dogs sniffing around.
I can relate to that as CuriousQuiet1, but in another country nearly 27 years ago, I attended a massive Gothic Ball at a sport oval, part of the entertainment was ballet/ performance of love,witchcraft, betrayal,torture and murder(sword fight), hour after the performance three police officers turn up as they recieved a call of a person being tortured/ murdered( I not sure how close that person was as there was a high covered fence tall trees lots of covering to a dark gothic look, the theme was based on House of Dark Shadows, Interveiw With A Vampire Great Exceptations so there were people with fake blood, and objects( torture devices ,rack, execution stuff, people chained to the walls swords etc....with a lots of fake blood. Due to this a couple of dogs with another two officers were brought in just to check and make sure.....Well there was a massive sound of all the Male and Female toilets were constantly flushing for a least 20 minutes water was everywhere.....and a group of people who left in a hurry.
 
  • #337
I'm extremely curious what happened between 10/2 and 10/13 that got BB so shook up. He met with his PI on a Sunday?! Seems strange. I'm wondering what happened after the shooting, were there possible threats, did he find out about his wife's possible affair, etc. Just brain storming, only my opinion.
RSBM

Just my brainstorming, he was running and hiding. BB scooped up the kids on 10/2 and drove far away. Over the next 2 days he drove to his parents house in Utah. He probably talked to the police for a few days before realizing they weren't moving fast enough to make him feel safe so he looked into hiring a PI. That could be a day, finding the PI who is experienced in what you want. He then has to make arrangements with his parents to leave the kids there and go back to AZ. Having 4 small children show up without beds, clothes, toys, etc because he got out in a hurry probably means a lot of shopping. I wonder if that is how MB found BB in American Fork, credit card transactions?

Maybe BB's parents work during the week so BB has to drive or fly to Phoenix only on the weekend?
 
  • #338
I have a suspicion that Lori is okay waiting it out in jail. She doesn't think she needs to admit where the kids are. If she drags out the court (which won't be hard to do), the "second coming" will happen in July and she will be "translated" to Heaven.

I do wonder what Tammy's kids think. Are they refusing to read the news? Do they see that there is absolute proof that Chad and Lori were cohorting together before their mother's death?

@RexburgSleuth , the letter you wrote hits every nerve and belief that I have. Also, my heart and prayers are with you as you mourn the friendship that you believe existed against the truths that are coming out.
 
  • #339
I'd like to know how she 'found out' about Tammy dying and the memorial plans. Did Chad go to church on the Sunday?

I just don't see Lori as the type to be pouring over the memorial announcements and obituaries in the local paper, unless she was waiting for one.

moo

I am sure Chad was in constant contact with Lori up to and after Tammy's death. These two horndoggers couldn't wait to continue with their "plan" to be together. It is so sick and wrong.
 
  • #340
Hope this link is okay to post. It is just informational stuff regarding the securing of a crime scene, but super detailed and quite informative. The link is for chapter 8, so those who are interested in other aspects, such as witness management, interrogation, etc., will see they can also read the chapters before and after to gain understanding in those areas of interest. As this is not MSM article, I assume I need to state this is MOO, but it seems pertinent to the day AxC killed CV. Again, JMO.
Chapter 8: Crime Scene Management – Introduction to Criminal Investigation: Processes, Practices and Thinking

Cluster F grade for both Chandler PD and Rexburg PD for not treating both scenes as "crime" from the start.

A healthy woman just up and dies at home. Shrug, must be a fluke. Sign off the paperwork. Sorry buddy.

A man gets shot, based on "his" belligerence, statement from shooter. Okay. Whatever.
 
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