Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

[tresir2012]

Is it wrong to think that he sounds like he'd fit in better with Chad and company? MOO

I hope he's genuine and not just jumping on the media bandwagon.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

You don't have to convince me of his involvement, @Alpha Bravo ! I absolutely think Chad's been plotting and pulling strings* all long. Like you, I can't wait to see his phone records! But we may not know what the phone records show (or don't show) for a while... Based on the evidence we have available to us now, though, I'm still wondering if they could tie Chad directly to BB's shooting. (Maybe it will come down to credibility, like @Tortoise said.)

As far as conspiracy to murder, I think you are probably quite right about the MO. But will it be a good move for prosecutors to say the motives for all the murders (and attempted murders) were all part of one big plan to gather the 144,000 by offing partners for the insurance money and marrying new partners before the world begins to end? What sort of difference could it mean if they suggest Chad really held those beliefs (and they were important enough to kill for)? Or if they suggest instead, that he didn't believe in it at all but used Lori's belief to get what he wanted - a life with just her (with LV's kids and his wife TD out of the way). How will things shake up if charges are combined? Will each murder have to be tried separately? How about the attempted murders? Could Chad and Lori end up co-defendants?

I've said before that I have very little knowledge of law and court procedures, and even less experience. But I know that if the prosecution can't effectively argue their case, it may leave room for doubt. Wasn't that what happened with Casey Anthony?

I'm really curious what our lawyer (and law minded) sleuths have to say about... well, all of this mess. I've tired myself out thinking about it all, tbh, so if it's too much or too soon to be worth replying to - I get it. I'll try and be patient while I wait for the future to get here.


hahaha! This makes SO MUCH SENSE!


Lol, I'm taking a recess. I need a nap!


*Nick Schneider might help shed light on the question of string-pulling. (and if you aren't sure what I mean by this, message me!)

I didn't follow the Casey Anthony case much, but felt is was a travesty of justice. Her attorney worked a flat out miracle IMHO. But that case didn't have finger and footprints, faked emails (wire fraud?) a tire in the barn, a hot mama seductress, podcasts of doom, a talking back teenager, a pesky autistic kid, digital prints and a vast conspiracy to actually kill multiple people for money.

This case, hmmm seems a lot more slam dunk. There is much more documented motive, there were guns and evidently poison involved, millions at stake... Kids and spouses killed on purpose for outright selfish reasons. Taking religion in or out of it, it's obvious they were all greedy and blowing money in paradise. One apparent suicide as he foresaw judgement day. I just see no hope of them getting away with the murders. :/

 

[Podengo]

I’m kinda wondering if maybe the same thing that made Alex drop dead also made Tammy drop dead.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter


Justin Lum Fox 10
@jlumfox10

Judge Eddins withdrew himself from the Lori Vallow case after short hearing on motion to disqualify him. New judge will be picked before prelim hearing on 5/7. #fox10phoenix



1:24 PM · Mar 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

And... when it turns into a Federal Case they will get yet another judge.

 

[Tortoise]

Divorce documents. And yes. You are reading that right.
These statements are confusing. After they were released to the public, IP and MBP showed up together at her court hearing. If IP really thought his new wife was capable of harming his children, why would he support her? MOO

I think the words can be read two ways - he (Melani's new husband) might not think that but his ex might, and he is not fighting her over it. So the fear mentioned is his ex's fear, not his.

moo

 

[tresir2012]

Is it wrong to think that he sounds like he'd fit in better with Chad and company? MOO

I hope he's genuine and not just jumping on the media bandwagon.

I posted my GIF of the butt smack. But that's it. If I view any of the FB pages it normally scroll and roll thru a bunch of BS. moo

ETA: I have seen what you're talking about, it makes me angry.

What have they copied?

 

[Trish51]

Jilliana Colina on Twitter




Jilliana Colina

@Jilliana_Colina

UPDATE: Magistrate Judge Eddins granted motion to disqualify himself without cause. A new judge will be assigned before the preliminary hearing confirmed for May 7 & 8th.



1:17 PM · Mar 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

And, one of LV’s attorneys plans to file a motion to withdraw from the case (Brian Webb).

ETA: He’s the real estate lawyer that I can’t figure out why he’s one of her attorneys.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Even if it's not a direct tactic, I'm sure the Chad and Lori supporters will jump all over this because it fits into their preconceived notions about this case. If they still believe this is a "custody battle", they will be crying that the judge was biased for sure. (Assuming Judge Eddins remains.) MOO

Unless they're counting on the fact that Idaho would eventually seek custody (and now in fact has); which I am now starting to think, because it might gain favor with some of the particularly anti-government AVOW members.

"My wife at this time melani began spending a lot of time with this group, at the end of june she demanded a divorce claiming revelation about things that were not real and there was no evidence given just a claim of being told by the savior," Boudreaux wrote on Facebook.

Snipping the above liberally just to note, Brandon's statement about Melani's stated rationale lends a lot more credence for, rather than against, the July 20, 2020 etc. being believed by Lori and Chad; rather than disbelieved.

I mean, Melani certainly seems to think it's a "real" cult; and there's also no indication (that we yet know of) anyway that Melani came up with this revelation because she was advance-enamored with IP and used it as a justification.

Gray and I have the same hypothesis, it was Alex with that silenced rifle that can’t shoot straight. Chad calmed her down by saying it was a paintball gun, and he didn’t even see it.

ETA: would love to know the status of any confiscated guns! If they got the actual rifle, and found spent shells at Tammy’s or in the Jeep, they can match with firing pin marks.

They were searching for shells out in Tammy's backyard, and *I thought* somebody said that they found them...?

A similar thing occurred a few years ago (with another case I followed), posts by WS members were being posted on another site (not the one we speak of currently, btw). Anyway, some of the WS members began adding "copyright info" in their signature lines. This effort helped a bit back then, but I have no idea if it would be helpful now.

I think it might be helpful in terms of scaring people a little.

If the people are determined to steal the posts, though, I feel pretty sure they'd just neglect to lift the copyright slogan.

On the plus side, if anyone feels compelled to offer a complaint up to FB while they're on FB, they can Google the original text in another browser tab for their complaint and thus give FB an exact WS post's URL; because Websleuths does index and our forum threads are searchable, perhaps even up-to-the-minute with zero lag time.

Divorce documents. And yes. You are reading that right.
These statements are confusing. After they were released to the public, IP and MBP showed up together at her court hearing. If IP really thought his new wife was capable of harming his children, why would he support her? MOO

In retrospect, I wonder if this seems confusing to us only because the "he" giving up his own parenting time, is in fact "father", i.e. Brandon; and not Ian.

And if/when Brandon is in hiding separate from the kids, he is in fact "giving up his own parenting time".

 

[Tortoise]

And, one of LV’s attorneys plans to file a motion to withdraw from the case (Brian Webb).

ETA: He’s the real estate lawyer that I can’t figure out why he’s one of her attorneys.

Just adding a link for this




Jilliana Colina

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THREAD: During the teleconference one of Lori’s attorney’s Brian Webb mentioned he plans to file a motion to withdraw from the case.

 

[Trish51]

Just adding a link for this




Jilliana Colina

@Jilliana_Colina
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THREAD: During the teleconference one of Lori’s attorney’s Brian Webb mentioned he plans to file a motion to withdraw from the case.

Thank you! I forgot to add the link.

 

[Teche]

I wonder why attorney Brian Webb wants to withdraw from Lolo’s case??

 

[Tortoise]

All I can think is the judge didn't agree that the initial appearance was a contested hearing and went with the without cause disqualification. That's mysterious. moo

Jilliana Colina
@Jilliana_Colina
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UPDATE: Magistrate Judge Eddins granted motion to disqualify himself without cause. A new judge will be assigned before the preliminary hearing confirmed for May 7 & 8th.

 

[Trouble1321075]

I bet that Chandler PD is taking it seriously now that the FBI is involved.
I think they are doing their best to CYA to make it look like they were doing what they should have done in the first place.

My gut feeling is that they treated this case half-a**ed, and believed Alex when he said it was self-defense/ So, they dropped the ball, cut corners and just wanted the case closed and gone.

Something, someone else I was talking to pointed out the other day, was why they had a pool party later that day. The reason is that if the police came back to the house to further investigate, the house has now been contaminated with all of these other people's fingerprints, and DNA. LVD and Alex were literally covering up potential evidence, by contaminating the scene of the crime.

MOO

I am very interested in learning more about that party. Like who was there and what the general mood was like. Also did they know they it was a homocide and when was this party planned?
That party is very creepy.

I agree that Chandler PD is taking it seriously now. I'm sure they have been for some time. I thought about saying "something was rotten in the state of" instead, but I figured I'd stick to the original quote!

That's some clever thinking about the pool party. It certainly would have helped them to disturb the scene considering how little furniture and belongings there seemed to be there*. I wonder just how many people came? LV <modsnip: derogatory terms or name changes are not allowed> doesn't seem to have many friends, and I doubt the neighbors would come knowing the estranged husband was killed there THAT MORNING (except perhaps out of curiosity)...

On the other hand, and I remember someone suggested in an earlier thread, there may have been only a few people there, or even just JJ, TR, AC, and LV. If they were swimming and playing loud music, it may have looked and sounded like a "party". The neighbors witnessing this would have certainly thought it was odd to see and hear them having such fun on what would have been a tragic day to normal people.

Please note I'm behind in reading the thread, but wanted to reply back to you, @Anonymous91
Also, everything above is speculation and MOO.

*Arizona police documents: Tylee Ryan attempted to defend her mother with a bat

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Regarding the party:
Something im curious about is when they decided to have the party. Did they invite people to it before or after the shooting? As far as I know that has not been estsblished

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Deseret News has a bit of a recap. Nothing new but they point out there may be a clip showing Chad getting out of the car:

• The footage shows Lori Vallow exit a blue Nissan Rogue with Chad Daybell, the news outlet says. He pulls a tire from the back of the car and puts it in a storage unit. They move a car seat together and put it in the locker, too. Then, they leave.
• The next day, the footage shows another man — “likely Cox,” according to EastIdahoNews.com — carry the car seat by himself.

~~ and this ~~

Cox’s link to the death of Tammy Daybell

• Cox has been allegedly linked to the death of Tammy Daybell, the late wife of Chad Daybell. Tammy Daybell died on Oct. 19, 2019.
• The video footage shows Chad Daybell and Cox visiting the storage unit nine days after Tammy Daybell’s death, too.

Report: Video footage shows Lori Vallow Daybell with Chad Daybell weeks before Tammy Daybell’s death

 

[Picklepuck]

Maybe it is considered reveling in her accomplishment? I agree, there should be a word for this, but can't think of what it is. I'm about 5 pages behind so maybe someone already identified the correct terminology.

 

[Tortoise]

I wonder why attorney Brian Webb wants to withdraw from Lolo’s case??

I wonder why he was even on the team in the first place. He's not a criminal defense attorney.

Brian L. Webb - Brian Webb Legal

 

[holsen]

Off topic for a second. I've been lurking in several social media groups since this case started and have seen several instances where things written here have been copied and posted elsewhere. Today takes the cake ... that is so not cool. Carry on

I've seen that too (although not today because I haven't been looking). I totally agree with you.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

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  Judge Eddins has signed an order for his disqualification. The preliminary hearing has been continued to May 7, 2020 and May 8, 2020.
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  UPDATE: Lori Vallow-Daybell may not be appearing in court next week after all. Attorneys have filed a motion to have the hearing delayed. They've also filed a motion to have the judge removed from the case. As of right now, the preliminary hearing is still on for March 18-19.
  
  
  
  
  
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[Deerrun]

Divorce documents. And yes. You are reading that right.
These statements are confusing. After they were released to the public, IP and MBP showed up together at her court hearing. If IP really thought his new wife was capable of harming his children, why would he support her? MOO

Jmo I wondered that too, maybe IP is afraid of his new family. Afraid they could harm his kids etc jmo

 

[Trish51]

All I can think is the judge didn't agree that the initial appearance was a contested hearing and went with the without cause disqualification. That's mysterious. moo

I can’t figure it out either. Will we be able to find out why he did that? Maybe he just wanted to wash his hands from this case. He knows a lot about it from the civil part of it and maybe he just wants to step away.