Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #30

[mickey2942]

Ok this is a pretty interesting ....Basically the podcast attorney is saying Lori Vallow's attorney is in over his head and this will be a mess.

That is more than evident. Maybe he just wants to get his name out there. He sees himself as another "Jose Baez", and magically will get LVD free.

Screech! Nope. Because, right now, the State doesn't have a high burden of proof to prove the current charges. And more charges can always be added.

 

[medtraveler]

I’ve always suspected that CD was a rising star in his organization, and by no means the head of it. I believe it’s helmed by wealthier people cloaked in secrecy, who are threatened by exposure because of the national attention Lori’s actions has brought. I think these other members probably include community leaders and/or members of LE.

I recall from the Anne Marie Fahey case, the AG got involved at first because the Wilmington PD needed their permission to do wiretaps. Local LE didn’t have that power. Also b/c the suspect and POI’s were all “connected” so to speak, and the case was garnering a lot of attention. Then the US district attorney got involved kinda on a whim, the exact reason escapes me. But the FBI was already involved because a couple of the POI’s had been federal informants in the past, so the FBI were consulted about them. It was really a clusterf*** of reasons why all these agencies got involved, lol. Of course the US attorneys office can get involved in whatever they feel like.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Idaho AG's Office taking over probe into death of Chad Daybell's 1st wife

"Charles showed me several things from his email that indicated that they were having an affair," said Kay.

 

[indicolite22]

I’ve always suspected that CD was a rising star in his organization, and by no means the head of it. I believe it’s helmed by wealthier people cloaked in secrecy, who are threatened by exposure because of the national attention Lori’s actions has brought. I think these other members probably include community leaders and/or members of LE.

BBM. From the manifesto sent to Lori in early 2019 it appears that he saw himself as the leader. Among the “7 Seven missions to accomplish together” number 4 was "Presidency of the Church of Firstborn".

Court Documents Allege Cult Connection For Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell

 

[indicolite22]

"Charles showed me several things from his email that indicated that they were having an affair," said Kay Woodcock.

An anonymous Tammy's family member stated that AG taking over was great news.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1160050900998567

 

[Tortoise]

My guess is that the attorney submitted to the court an address where LV will be residing if she is released on bond and they want the address sealed, probably for her safety.

Edwina Elcox already submitted that under seal to the court at the March 6th hearing (or said she would when the judge requested the address).

I'm wondering if this new filing means the address has had to change. Are people who first agreed to house her now saying she is not wanted there, or, another possibility, does this mean Chad has moved? Or are Chad and Lori no longer together? Much to speculate on, but IMO something has changed in her circumstances giving rise to this filing.

moo

 

[Nosurprise]

My guess is that the attorney submitted to the court an address where LV will be residing if she is released on bond and they want the address sealed, probably for her safety.

Thank you

 

[Tortoise]

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Can you explain why it occurred in that case... maybe give us an idea what we are seeing?

A quick google search provided a recent news report for an Idaho case in which AG took over but I don't know if the same/similar circumstances apply here. I'm confused.

From Mar 31, 2020
Idaho attorney general takes over murder cases; Minidoka County Prosecutor Gara Newman is pushed aside; Lance says justice demands it

Hope we can all get unconfused together!!

 

[Tortoise]

Fremont County hands over to the Attorney General's office - could be down to resources and expertise but I wonder - could it be because they see themselves hampered by having handled the attempted murder (paintball) and death callouts, and treated one as a prank and two as non-suspicious? Is it because they would have to call their own officers as witnesses and attack their credibility, as they would be more aligned with the defense case?

My other suggestion is that it could be to do with ultimately getting a pool of untainted jurors?

Probably wrong with both guesses but I would love to hear a lawyer's perspective on this.

I am intrigued by the fact that on the first page of the letter there are 5 criteria which can be used to ask for assistance. On page 2 of the letter it shows three of the criteria with a check in the box of one of them (no.2 shown below). So why show the other two unchecked (criteria 1 & 3), and why exclude two others (criteria 4 and 5)?

The five criteria are -

providing prosecutorial assistance...
1. ...due to a conflict of interest.
2. ...due to other reasons without local prosecutor involvement.
3. ...with local prosecutor involvement.
4. providing only investigative assistance.
5. providing investigative assistance and, if determined by the investigation to be warranted, prosecutorial assistance without the involvement of the local prosecutor.

ETA - another possibility - could also be due to the high profile nature of the case as a whole.

moo

 

[Monroe2]

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Hmmm yeah I don’t think there is a bail reduction in the future for Lori. My crystal ball made it crystal clear.[/QUOu I was just thinking the same thing, if she got out after this news she is gone!!!!

 

[watergirl62]

Fremont County hands over to the Attorney General's office - could be down to resources and expertise but I wonder - could it be because they see themselves hampered by having handled the attempted murder (paintball) and death callouts, and treated one as a prank and two as non-suspicious? Is it because they would have to call their own officers as witnesses and attack their credibility, as they would be more aligned with the defense case?

My other suggestion is that it could be to do with ultimately getting a pool of untainted jurors?

Probably wrong with both guesses but I would love to hear a lawyer's perspective on this.

I am intrigued by the fact that on the first page of the letter there are 5 criteria which can be used to ask for assistance. On page 2 of the letter it shows three of the criteria with a check in the box of one of them (no.2 shown below). So why show the other two unchecked (criteria 1 & 3), and why exclude two others (criteria 4 and 5)?

The five criteria are -

providing prosecutorial assistance...
1. ...due to a conflict of interest.
2. ...due to other reasons without local prosecutor involvement.
3. ...with local prosecutor involvement.
4. providing only investigative assistance.
5. providing investigative assistance and, if determined by the investigation to be warranted, prosecutorial assistance without the involvement of the local prosecutor.

ETA - another possibility - could also be due to the high profile nature of the case as a whole.

moo

My take is that this case is so convoluted, Idaho will need the big guns. My guess is that the county DA surely knows 1) they are not qualified to drive this train, 2) they do not have enough staff to deal with discovery, and 3) they don't want the responsibility.

I find it interesting that Fremont County still has to foot the bill exclusive of the AG legal fees.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I guess this new development will put a halt to the Chad’s purchase of his ‘new home’. He may need the funds for attorney fees.

Which is why Lori won't have a public defender. They have money and she won't qualify. She is not indigent ..... yet.

I count four States involved in this and who knows what States may be able to bring some kind of charges depending on what LE uncovers in those jurisdictions. By the time Means gets through all that discovery that he doesn't need for the present charges, she should qualify for a PD in some State at some point, perhaps even in the present case by the time Means is done. The prosecutor should be protecting most of what is being asked for as non-discoverable due to ongoing investigation for other charges. Unless there is some evidence that is inculpatory or exculpatory for the present charges, Means isn't entitled to it in this case where investigation is ongoing for unrelated charges.

Like I said pages ago, a defense attorney in a case like this wants the preliminary hearing so he can learn everything he can about future more serious charges. If the prosecutor doesn't put the skids on discovery, Chad's money is going to be gone quicker than spit in a windstorm.

 

[Tortoise]

My take is that this case is so convoluted, Idaho will need the big guns. My guess is that the county DA surely knows 1) they are not qualified to drive this train, 2) they do not have enough staff to deal with discovery, 3) they don't want the responsibility.

I find it interesting that Fremont County still has to foot the bill exclusive of the AG legal fees.

I wonder why no local prosecutor involvement though. Perhaps they just want a neutral agency to take responsibility, as you say.

 

[Tortoise]

Which is why Lori won't have a public defender. They have money and she won't qualify. She is not indigent ..... yet.

I count four States involved in this and who knows what States may be able to bring some kind of charges depending on what LE uncovers in those jurisdictions. By the time Means gets through all that discovery that he doesn't need for the present charges, she should qualify for a PD in some State at some point, perhaps even in the present case by the time Means is done. The prosecutor should be protecting most of what is being asked for as non-discoverable due to ongoing investigation for other charges. Unless there is some evidence that is inculpatory or exculpatory for the present charges, Means isn't entitled to it in this case where investigation is ongoing for unrelated charges.

Like I said pages ago, a defense attorney in a case like this wants the preliminary hearing so he can learn everything he can about future more serious charges. If the prosecutor doesn't put the skids on discovery, Chad's money is going to be gone quicker than spit in a windstorm.

BBM - "They have money and she won't qualify" -

do you know if she has a right to his money as his wife?

 

[Owutatangledweb]

BBM - "They have money and she won't qualify" -

do you know if she has a right to his money as his wife?

Depends on whether they have a pre-nup, the marital property laws of their State of residence, and perhaps even whether he received the money before or after the blissful day on the beach in Hawaii.

 

[Tortoise]

Depends on whether they have a pre-nup, the marital property laws of their State of residence, and perhaps even whether he received the money before or after the blissful day on the beach in Hawaii.

Okay thanks, I thought the way you expressed it was as known.

 

[Tortoise]

Spouses may not transfer, alter, or eliminate any whole piece of community property without the other spouse's permission, but can manage their own half . However, the whole piece includes the other spouse's one half interest. In other words, that spouse cannot be alienated the one half that belongs to them.

Separate property includes:

• Property owned by just one spouse before the marriage
• Property given to just one spouse before or during the marriage
• Property inherited by just one spouse

Community property includes:

• Money either spouse earned during the marriage
• Things bought with money either spouse earned during the marriage
• Separate property that has become so mixed with community property that it can't be identified

Marital Property: Who Owns What? - FindLaw

 

[CSIDreamer]

The potential attempted murder charge has to be regarding TD. Can you all imagine if we find out someone else in Fremont County had an attempt on their life? Jmo

 

[VeryVeritas]

I’ve always suspected that CD was a rising star in his organization, and by no means the head of it. I believe it’s helmed by wealthier people cloaked in secrecy, who are threatened by exposure because of the national attention Lori’s actions has brought. I think these other members probably include community leaders and/or members of LE.

I recall from the Anne Marie Fahey case, the AG got involved at first because the Wilmington PD needed their permission to do wiretaps. Local LE didn’t have that power. Also b/c the suspect and POI’s were all “connected” so to speak, and the case was garnering a lot of attention. Then the US district attorney got involved kinda on a whim, the exact reason escapes me. But the FBI was already involved because a couple of the POI’s had been federal informants in the past, so the FBI were consulted about them. It was really a clusterf*** of reasons why all these agencies got involved, lol. Of course the US attorneys office can get involved in whatever they feel like.

So, in that world of wealthy so-called prophets is Tax evasion, familial deaths, life insurance claims, etc higher than the national average?