Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #30

[VeryVeritas]

Idaho AG's Office taking over probe into death of Chad Daybell's 1st wife

"Charles showed me several things from his email that indicated that they were having an affair," said Kay.

So does this mean it will be competently handled, or does it mean butt slapper has friends in high AND low places?

 

[northernlight]

The Justice Files: In search of bodies of the deceased

I'm not sure how to add a link. Remind me how old is CD? Did he go to SF high school? I thought it was Springville

 

[VeryVeritas]

BBM. From the manifesto sent to Lori in early 2019 it appears that he saw himself as the leader. Among the “7 Seven missions to accomplish together” number 4 was "Presidency of the Church of Firstborn".

Court Documents Allege Cult Connection For Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell

I'm waiting on the sequels: "The Rise of Self-Righteous False Prophets and their New Abominations" and "A Return to Sin and Real Estate investing during Zombie Cleanse period"

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

Great work! CV had quite a huge nut to crack. Its possible on the Jeep that CV bought it in TX, but didnt register it in AZ. CV is paying for 3 vehicles, and $4k /mo rent and LVD embezzles the business funds. Unless CV was evading taxes too, he sure had quite an income. Its possible he did break the law and did business where he wasnt licensed. For this crew It seems money burned right through their fingers... but if they did hide assets: maybe bags of cash, gold coins, other peoples names, aliases, etc. Not paying taxes, stiffing creditors, grifting, drifting, murders, life insurance, divorce loot, etc where did it all go?

Your Quint discovery is remarkable. I have to go with that. But what is the CP part of CPQUINT? Is CV's middle initial "P"? I suppose that was an icebreaker that made it easier to sell annuities.

Was the business entity disclosed? Sole proprietorship, LLC, subchapter S or C Corp?

Captain Quint

 

[VeryVeritas]

The potential attempted murder charge has to be regarding TD. Can you all imagine if we find out someone else in Fremont County had an attempt on their life? Jmo

I would be totally surprised that Ax hasn't killed before CV. Equally surprised if this is CD's first rodeo. These folks have been plying their trades for a while, and seems it is only their outrageous brazenness and delusions of grandeur that exposed them.

 

[VeryVeritas]

Depends on whether they have a pre-nup, the marital property laws of their State of residence, and perhaps even whether he received the money before or after the blissful day on the beach in Hawaii.

Curious what Hawaiian marital laws say about ill-gotten gains and criminal liabilities of a spouse?

 

[utahobserver]

"Charles showed me several things from his email that indicated that they were having an affair," said Kay Woodcock.

An anonymous Tammy's family member stated that AG taking over was great news.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1160050900998567

This quote is interesting to me: “The autopsy and toxicology reports have still not been released.” It sounds like they have the results, they just haven’t been released publicly.

Chad had best put off the manufactured home purchase and save what is left of Mrs. Tammy Daybell’s life insurance to put towards finding a lawyer who can type and spell. Conspiracy to commit murder seems pricey to defend...
Idaho AG's Office taking over probe into death of Chad Daybell's 1st wife

 

[VeryVeritas]

This quote is interesting to me: “The autopsy and toxicology reports have still not been released.” It sounds like they have the results, they just haven’t been released publicly.

Chad had best put off the manufactured home purchase and save what is left of Mrs. Tammy Daybell’s life insurance to put towards finding a lawyer who can type and spell. Conspiracy to commit murder seems pricey to defend...
Idaho AG's Office taking over probe into death of Chad Daybell's 1st wife

Those funds should be frozen since there is an investigation. I mean murder by the beneficiary is usually an exclusion in a life policy, isnt it? Otherwise CD will be sewing masks for 1,000 years in prison to pay that debt back.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The Justice Files: In search of bodies of the deceased

I'm not sure how to add a link. Remind me how old is CD? Did he go to SF high school? I thought it was Springville

wow... this is very interesting.... CD is 51.

 

[watergirl62]

The Justice Files: In search of bodies of the deceased

I'm not sure how to add a link. Remind me how old is CD? Did he go to SF high school? I thought it was Springville

Welcome to Websleuths, northernlight.

Chad is 51 or 52. Springville HS class of 86, according to Gardener's timeline (See post #1 of this thread for Gardeners amazing timeline).

I like your link. Ground-penetrating radar is a very useful and relatively inexpensive geophysical tool. It is used a lot here in central Texas to remotely sense caves and voids. I love this relatively new application of GPR! I will stop now before I start geeking out on geophysical survey techniques.

 

[Springvillen8ive]

Tammy’s gravesite now has a headstone and it’s beautiful. There is an etching of a mother duck followed by 5 little ducklings on the stone. I would attach a picture but that seems not respectful of her or her family.

 

[northernlight]

wow... this is very interesting.... CD is 51.

Then he wouldn't have gone to school with Kiplin Davis' suspects. The oldest they would be approx 46. I would bet KD isn't the only one they are looking for

 

[divineappt]

The Justice Files: In search of bodies of the deceased

I'm not sure how to add a link. Remind me how old is CD? Did he go to SF high school? I thought it was Springville

Wow! This could be a very tangled web indeed!

 

[FindingJoLee]

Tammy’s gravesite now has a headstone and it’s beautiful. There is an etching of a mother duck followed by 5 little ducklings on the stone. I would attach a picture but that seems not respectful of her or her family.

I love this, thank you for sharing (and for not sharing.) I didn't know her, but I wish I had somehow run into her during her life. If her loved ones are following, sending love and hope that you have each found some small amount of peace during this week as you reflect upon the events celebrated at Easter. :::hugs::::

 

[utahobserver]

Those funds should be frozen since there is an investigation. I mean murder by the beneficiary is usually an exclusion in a life policy, isnt it? Otherwise CD will be sewing masks for 1,000 years in prison to pay that debt back.

I’m not sure Chad’s bank account can be frozen based on an investigation without conclusive evidence of fraud. Tammy’s death was ruled of natural causes, the insurance paid out based on that. I do not know the legalities of a reversal of cause of death and retroactive return of funds. That the insurance company didn’t investigate a healthy 49 year old woman’s death with a large policy, and what appears to be a sole beneficiary (though maybe it was larger than reported and her children and grandchildren also received funds - we don’t know) seemed careless to me. Because the details of the death certificate have never been released, we don’t know what it states beyond natural causes.

 

[Gardenista]

Can you explain why it occurred in that case... maybe give us an idea what we are seeing?

A quick google search provided a recent news report for an Idaho case in which AG took over but I don't know if the same/similar circumstances apply here. I'm confused.

From Mar 31, 2020
Idaho attorney general takes over murder cases; Minidoka County Prosecutor Gara Newman is pushed aside; Lance says justice demands it

Here is an article where they announced the AG was taking Danielle's case:

'We are going to be prosecuting your daughter's killer,' AG tells Stislicki's family

 

[fred&edna]

Here is an article where they announced the AG was taking Danielle's case:

'We are going to be prosecuting your daughter's killer,' AG tells Stislicki's family

Thank you, Gardenista! I was initially confused by the fact the AG was taking over rather than just providing assistance. But, I now believe this decision is based (in part) on all the current law enforcement entities involved in the case... and it seems the take over effort will solidify a prosecution team with a quite powerful head (the AG).

 

[Trixie Belden Detective]

Fremont County hands over to the Attorney General's office - could be down to resources and expertise but I wonder - could it be because they see themselves hampered by having handled the attempted murder (paintball) and death callouts, and treated one as a prank and two as non-suspicious? Is it because they would have to call their own officers as witnesses and attack their credibility, as they would be more aligned with the defense case?

My other suggestion is that it could be to do with ultimately getting a pool of untainted jurors?

Probably wrong with both guesses but I would love to hear a lawyer's perspective on this.

I am intrigued by the fact that on the first page of the letter there are 5 criteria which can be used to ask for assistance. On page 2 of the letter it shows three of the criteria with a check in the box of one of them (no.2 shown below). So why show the other two unchecked (criteria 1 & 3), and why exclude two others (criteria 4 and 5)?

The five criteria are -

providing prosecutorial assistance...
1. ...due to a conflict of interest.
2. ...due to other reasons without local prosecutor involvement.
3. ...with local prosecutor involvement.
4. providing only investigative assistance.
5. providing investigative assistance and, if determined by the investigation to be warranted, prosecutorial assistance without the involvement of the local prosecutor.

ETA - another possibility - could also be due to the high profile nature of the case as a whole.

moo

JMO I think that their county prosecutors are elected, and this year there is an election. They probably want continuity with the case and don't want to trade hands in such a convoluted case. Either way. Having the AG assigned is a good thing.

 

[AZlawyer]

https://www.Attorney General takes over murder, conspiracy investigation in Daybell caseeastidahonews.com/2020/04/read-letter-stating-attorney-general-will-investigate-fremont-county-daybell

I'm under the impression that it's fairly common for cross-jurisdictional cases to be kicked up to a higher level for investigation and prosecution, especially when there are turf issues. At least around here--don't know about Idaho.

While I’m not a lawyer I work for them in a different capacity outside of directly litigating. I think the AG is being brought in because of resources. The AG will have the means to fully investigate and if necessary prosecute the case. This is a monster case that is likely overwhelming the RPD and county attorney. We’ve referred many cases to bigger firms because they had the manpower, and in some cases the money, for an in depth complicated case. While almost everything I work on is civil this has to be somewhat similar reasoning.

Fremont County hands over to the Attorney General's office - could be down to resources and expertise but I wonder - could it be because they see themselves hampered by having handled the attempted murder (paintball) and death callouts, and treated one as a prank and two as non-suspicious? Is it because they would have to call their own officers as witnesses and attack their credibility, as they would be more aligned with the defense case?

My other suggestion is that it could be to do with ultimately getting a pool of untainted jurors?

Probably wrong with both guesses but I would love to hear a lawyer's perspective on this.

I am intrigued by the fact that on the first page of the letter there are 5 criteria which can be used to ask for assistance. On page 2 of the letter it shows three of the criteria with a check in the box of one of them (no.2 shown below). So why show the other two unchecked (criteria 1 & 3), and why exclude two others (criteria 4 and 5)?

The five criteria are -

providing prosecutorial assistance...
1. ...due to a conflict of interest.
2. ...due to other reasons without local prosecutor involvement.
3. ...with local prosecutor involvement.
4. providing only investigative assistance.
5. providing investigative assistance and, if determined by the investigation to be warranted, prosecutorial assistance without the involvement of the local prosecutor.

ETA - another possibility - could also be due to the high profile nature of the case as a whole.

moo

My take is that this case is so convoluted, Idaho will need the big guns. My guess is that the county DA surely knows 1) they are not qualified to drive this train, 2) they do not have enough staff to deal with discovery, and 3) they don't want the responsibility.

I find it interesting that Fremont County still has to foot the bill exclusive of the AG legal fees.

I wonder why no local prosecutor involvement though. Perhaps they just want a neutral agency to take responsibility, as you say.

Yes, it is pretty normal for a state AG to assist with major prosecutions that are technically the responsibility of a small county. The state will have more resources—not just financial but in terms of expertise.

The fact that the county is not requesting to retain any control or involvement might mean that they want to make sure there are no allegations down the road of favoritism, if this is the kind of area where “everybody knows everybody”—or it might just mean they think the AG is best equipped to handle this alone.

The most interesting thing about the letter to me is that they did NOT check the box for investigation assistance and IF WARRANTED prosecutorial assistance—they only want prosecutorial assistance. Which suggests to me that the county has already concluded that prosecution is warranted.

 

[fred&edna]

@AZlawyer

Regarding bail reduction hearing. Does the judge peruse Means' "new facts that have come to light" in order to decide whether a bail reduction hearing should be scheduled OR is the request by Means sufficient enough to schedule the hearing and it's only at that hearing the "new facts" are presented to the judge by Means??

I apologize if this has been answered previously.