Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

[Monroe2]

Considering their potential nutty extremist beliefs and reports of no task being too much for alex, I would not be surprised if he intentionally took a lethal dose of something intentionally believing it was "gods will" for him to do so.

I find it very coincidental that a.c. died the day after tami's body was exhumed, wonder if someone was starting to.panic, that the jig is.up
I will be very surprised.if.he died from natural causes

 

[Deerrun]

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FBI Now Investigating Death of Lori Vallow's Previous Husband, Which Was Ruled a Heart Attack

New article saying the FBI is investigating Joseph Ryan's death now

I looked at JR' obituary again. One thing I didn't notice before is Legacy states in the very very small obit if anyone has any information on who this is please contact etc, there are 4 memories shared on various dates saying nice things about him.
View Joseph Ryan's Obituary and express your condolences
Idk what to think about him, jury is still out jmo

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Alex had murdered Lori's husband, Charles. Tammy and Brandon were both about to be shot at....and Tammy was dead a few weeks later. I have an idea for CBS. Trace THOSE threats -- to Charles, to Tammy, to Brandon.

"Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action." (Old CIA saying)

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Thanks for this.. I know, when information is slow, we spend more time on not -so -important bits. I just wanna know who's is St. George UT? ha ha ha......

However...doesn't LE have all phone records of Lori and Chad already???

I wouldn't consider poring over phone records "not-so-important". Practically every big case I have followed here has been solved/broken open by meticulous scrutinizing of phone records. Moo.

 

[Diddian]

I wouldn't consider poring over phone records "not-so-important". Practically every big case I have followed here has been solved/broken open by meticulous scrutinizing of phone records. Moo.

I agree. Some people are glued to their phones, use them frequently, and don't realize how much info can therefore be gained (or reasonably inferred) about where they are, who they interact with, the connections of one interaction to the ones before or after it, especially when combined with other information (such as vehicle computer systems, outside surveillance systems, witnesses, receipts, etc).

 

[Diddian]

Bringing this forward from page 1 of the thread. We are due for a new thread soon since we're up to 94 pages. Someone please alert on the above post when one of the mods comes to renew our thread and ask for those links to be updated in the opening post. I have requested it the last few threads but always too late-- it seems it has to happen right at the time they make a new thread or it won't get updated. I haven't had time to update it again since the above but this is the more current timeline. Thanks!

Gardener1850, for those of us relatively newer to Websleuths, what does it mean to "alert on the above post?" I, for one, definitely want to make sure your updated timeline is included in the next thread, but have no idea how the process goes about alerting the mods to those posts that should be carried forward.

TIA! Much appreciate all you do on those timelines as well as your other contributions here!

 

[carbuff]

The only indication we have that Alec wasn’t feeling well in the hours/days before his death are statements made by Lori, Melani and/or Z. Worthless IMO.

Not worth a lot, certainly. It would have been more accurate if I had prefaced my supposition with "If the information about him not feeling well is correct..."

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

These have been my questions all along. Her affect and emotionality about this is totally off, even if she had nothing to do with it. That she isn't frantic, devastated, talking to anyone who will listen (hello, Kay) is absolutely bizarre. Janis has lost three children....and is facing a very real possibility that she has also lost two grandchildren. There isn't a hint of emotion about that in the interview. If Melani is Lori2.0, then Janis is Lori-1. The demeanor of the people in this case is just inexplicable.

(Everybody grieves differently, yada yada, yada, but nobody behaves absolutely devoid of any sadness, anger, or worry when they've lost five children and grandchildren. Even Chad knew to behave like a grieving widower for at least the immediate aftermath of Tammy's death.)

Compare Melani, Janis, and Summer with the interviews with Colby and with Annie who both needed a moment to hold it together because they were starting to cry when they mentioned JJ and Tylee...

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

I had to go back and suffer through several minutes of that gong show of a bond hearing...

RSBM
Thanks for taking one for the team.

 

[Diddian]

Compare Melani, Janis, and Summer with the interviews with Colby and with Annie who both needed a moment to hold it together because they were starting to cry when they mentioned JJ and Tylee...

Stark contrast. And then there are Kay and Larry. I could barely hold it together myself watching Ashleigh Banfield's interview of them together with Ed Smart yesterday on the CourtTV segment someone posted here.

Lori and others in her family have caused so many innocent people so much pain, treating their precious loved ones like yesterday's toys tossed away when her interest wanes or is captured by another.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Boosting this from @Gardener1850 timeline:

Late Sept 2019 – The son of one of Lori’s Rexburg neighbors asks if JJ can come play with him; Lori tells the child JJ went to live with his grandma “ … one of their children went to Lori’s apartment sometime in late September to play with JJ, and the child was informed by Lori Vallow that JJ was not there and that he had gone to stay with his grandma” (Affidavit of Probable Cause Doc; East Idaho News).

And JC says she spoke with JJ on October 1 2019 and has the receipts.

He wasn''t with KW and LW.

Can't have it both ways, LV and CD.

Trying to wrap my head around the "JJ went to live with Grandma"

JJ' paternal biological grandparents are Kay and Larry, I think. Maybe maternal? Either way JJ has the Woodcocks as grandparents and another unknown (to me) set of biological grandparents.

His adoptive maternal grandparents are Lori's parents, JC & BC. His adoptive paternal grandparents would be the parents of Charles (and Kay).

"Grandma" could be 4 different people, maybe more if some of those have multiple marriages.

 

[Gardener1850]

Gardener1850, for those of us relatively newer to Websleuths, what does it mean to "alert on the above post?" I, for one, definitely want to make sure your updated timeline is included in the next thread, but have no idea how the process goes about alerting the mods to those posts that should be carried forward.

TIA! Much appreciate all you do on those timelines as well as your other contributions here!

Under every post you should see "report". Click on that and it will let you send a note to the mods about what action you are requesting. Whichever mod is in this section at that time will take care of it when they see your message. The report button is also what your should click if you think someone is being rude or may be breaking the rules-- but don't worry, I won't get in trouble for you reporting my post. BTW, to get back to the original post that was quoted look where it says "Gardener1850 said" and you will see a little arrow. Click the arrow and it will take you to the post I quoted. HTH.

 

[Diddian]

Under every post you should see "report". Click on that and it will let you send a note to the mods about what action you are requesting. Whichever mod is in this section at that time will take care of it when they see your message. The report button is also what your should click if you think someone is being rude or may be breaking the rules-- but don't worry, I won't get in trouble for you reporting my post. BTW, to get back to the original post that was quoted look where it says "Gardener1850 said" and you will see a little arrow. Click the arrow and it will take you to the post I quoted. HTH.

Thank you!

 

[Gardener1850]

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I looked at JR' obituary again. One thing I didn't notice before is Legacy states in the very very small obit if anyone has any information on who this is please contact etc, there are 4 memories shared on various dates saying nice things about him.
View Joseph Ryan's Obituary and express your condolences
Idk what to think about him, jury is still out jmo

Interesting that the phone number there goes to a cremation center in Mesa: Allen Cremation Center - Mesa, Arizona | Legacy.com

According to wikipedia, the Legacy website actually pulls obituaries from newspapers: Legacy.com - Wikipedia
So perhaps that notice to call was printed by the Cremation Center in an AZ paper? Maybe it was published when they could not reach Joe's family and Lori was not returning calls?

MOO.

 

[Tortoise]

The video footage from the storage unit showed the time to be 2:32pm, and Nate Eaton clarified the time was off by an hour, and it was actually 3:32pm. And on October 1st, that would make the time in AZ to be 2:32pm, as we currently are an hour behind Idaho (when clocks go back on November 1st, AZ remains the same, therefore making Idaho the same time as AZ. Hope that made sense). So, if she were at the storage unit at 3:32pm, she could easily call her mom at 4pm Idaho time, which would show as 3pm in AZ, on JC's phone records.

Thanks for the correction, I didn't realize our time-line had the corrected times. Let's hope they have the cell tower data, which I feel sure they would have with the FBI on this.

It is so strange for the Coxes not to have said a peep about this before, in all this time. It feels to me, by the way it's being disclosed to the media and not through official channels like the actual case file, as if there's a whiff of a grievance that comes with it, that the charges against Lori are thus unfounded (as if a week makes all the difference) - and from that I take that it's probably been discounted as credible evidence regarding JJ. Or, it is a recent discovery by the Coxes, and they decided to surprise everyone. That would really surprise me, if we get to find out that they didn't mention it to investigators before.

I think it has to be useful information to the investigation as a whole, IMO.

 

[merrymary]

I'm having a hard time screen shotting the phone bill from the CBS News video. It scrolled too fast during the video for me to see what JC was talking about.

Anyone here able to capture that?

 

[Tortoise]

new court filings!

• 05/06/2020 Motion to Quash
• 05/06/2020 Motion to Quash Subpoena Duces Tecum
• 05/06/2020 Affidavit of Kristina M. Schindele in Support of Motion to Quash
• 05/06/2020 Memorandum in Support of Motion to Quash

 

[Sticksandspades]

Thanks for the correction, I didn't realize our time-line had the corrected times. Let's hope they have the cell tower data, which I feel sure they would have with the FBI on this.

It is so strange for the Coxes not to have said a peep about this before, in all this time. It feels to me, by the way it's being disclosed to the media and not through official channels like the actual case file, as if there's a whiff of a grievance that comes with it, that the charges against Lori are thus unfounded (as if a week makes all the difference) - and from that I take that it's probably been discounted as credible evidence regarding JJ. Or, it is a recent discovery by the Coxes, and they decided to surprise everyone. That would really surprise me, if we get to find out that they didn't mention it to investigators before.

I think it has to be useful information to the investigation as a whole, IMO.

Seems to me, listening to the two CBS snippets released so far, and the Dateline Melani/Ian interview, these interviews are just meant to sow the seeds of doubt in the minds on casual observers. They have not said anything that is verifiable or can be corroborated.

They've mentioned two timing facts that appear to go against evidence released to the public by LE....JJ/JC call on 10/1 and SS/TR call on 9/24. They prove nothing.

And they have not produced any evidence that shows K&LW were threatening to LVD, nor have they refuted any of the evidence like selling the dog (why couldn't the dog go into hiding?), when did she meet Chad?, when did they plan on getting married?, why was she looking at wedding dresses/rings before Tammy died?. OMG we could just go on and on.....

The last comment from SS, where she says, "if anything happened it wasn't Lori" is really what makes me believe they are all playing dumb and going to try to pin the blame on someone else.

 

[Deerrun]

Interesting that the phone number there goes to a cremation center in Mesa: Allen Cremation Center - Mesa, Arizona | Legacy.com

According to wikipedia, the Legacy website actually pulls obituaries from newspapers: Legacy.com - Wikipedia
So perhaps that notice to call was printed by the Cremation Center in an AZ paper? Maybe it was published when they could not reach Joe's family and Lori was not returning calls?

MOO.

Right, I agree they were trying to reach out to anyone who may know him so they can possibly claim the body, I should have been clearer. Lori could claim the inheritance but she didn't want to claim the body. That is cold imo at the very least she could have contacted Anne which makes it kind of suspicious to me because Anne took Lori and Colbys side with her brothers treatment of the children, why wouldn't she tell Anne. I don't know much about Joe except the abuse but what I also found interesting was the nice memory's a few people shared, like there are two sides to him.

 

[Tortoise]

That's interesting. In the deputy-AG affidavit in support of motion to quash page 1 it refers to the Tammy Daybell matter as a "conflict case".

I always wondered if there was a conflict, with the death having been signed off as non-suspicious. I wonder if that's what it means.

moo