Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[Gardenista]

Melani Pawlowski speaks about her childhood, family deaths and her sudden Las Vegas wedding | East Idaho News

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Nate Eaton - Reporter
Just spoke with Melani and Ian Pawlowski via Zoom for 90 minutes. No questions were off limits and they answered everything I asked.

RSBM

I wonder why they are talking to Nate but came out strongly against ever talking to Justin?

Or was that only JC and SS who didn't seem to ever want to talk to Justin?

 

[indicolite22]

Melani Pawlowski speaks about her childhood, family deaths and her sudden Las Vegas wedding | East Idaho News

Melani: "When Tylee and JJ show up and are here again, I don't know if people will even believe it."

Will that happen before or after Jully 22?

 

[indicolite22]

RSBM

I wonder why they are talking to Nate but came out strongly against ever talking to Justin?

Or was that only JC and SS who didn't seem to ever want to talk to Justin?

They might believe that Justin is close with Brandon. They said they would talk to another reporter from his station.

 

[Sorelle19]

Another random thought today...At the bail reduction hearing the prosecutor asked that producing the kids be a condition of bail. The odd part is that Means did not objecct to that. I hesitate to read too much into that. He could have not objected because he saw his goal at the time to get Lori out of jail no matter what it took. And I don't want to get into the pointless character assassination about his competence but I also have to consider that his lack of objecting to that condition might have something to do with his lawyering skills.

Think about it. What if the judge said "Fine, I see good cause to reduce bail to $1 on the condition the kids are turned over to Rexburg police." What would he have done then?

I'd try to find that moment in he hearing but honestly, it would be too painful to watch that trainwreck again.

He did object, sort-of. He mentioned to the judge that producing the kids was "the remedy" and therefore prejudicial. I'm not a lawyer, not sure what that means, but it's near the end of the hearing.

 

[Lusitana]

Melani: "When Tylee and JJ show up and are here again, I don't know if people will even believe it."

Will that happen before or after Jully 22?

Never o'clock.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I can't help but think that, if Melani's ex didn't fight for his kids and ended up getting killed in that drive-by, we would have another set of kids nowhere to be found now.

Yep. The most fortuitous events to me, are Kay's welfare check, buying wedding rings publicly on line before a death, and missing Brandon's head by inches.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yes, where was Lori? Los Angeles area-we now know that Chad's kids knew her. Las Vegas-as you pointed out @Diddian it's only a 4 hour drive to meet up with Chad in LA and fly to Hawaii
Hm. Thanks for this great post!

But did Chad's kids know her at the time of the CA vacation? Didn't one of his sons declare that "my dad met a widow and got married"?. and something like "he makes mistakes, but he's a good guy"

 

[Spartygirl]

You know you can share your Prime account without the other person being able to see what you buy, right?

Nooo -- I did not know this. Is it something in settings that I need to do ?? I would love this feature LOL
Thanks for letting us know

 

[Riverdoc]

Riverdoc is much more astute and a Doc, right? I worked under folks like Riverdoc. My input would be just that. Riverdoc can validate or explain if I'm off in my thinking.

The elevated potassium can sometimes occur as a false positive if the cells in the blood draw rupture. The ruptured cells will leak their potassium and taint the results. Generally another draw is done to confirm a true reading, but that may not have been done in AC's case. Also, dehydration can elevate the potassium, and that may be a possibility considering his creatinine was elevated at 1.6. Creatinine is a measure of how well the kidneys are functioning. The kidneys work harder if there is dehydration. I relied strongly on that lab when doing contrast studies in CT. So, that is what I am guessing about the elevated potassium.

The multiple PE folci is the most common way that PE presents. It generally isn't just one. The single clot will fragment into smaller clots which then appear in different areas of the lung vessels. The lack of clots in the legs my be because they left no residual evidence behind, particularly if they traveled days before to the lungs.
What I found concerning were the large cavernous hemangiomas in the liver. In very rare cases, these hemangiomas can cause blood clots that lead to PEs. But it isn't common, so it is a small possible cause of the PEs and why there was no evidence of clots in the legs.

He definitely aspirated. I'm just not sure how much that may have contributed. (Riverdoc, what do you think?)

The lack of the anion-gap is concerning. Like RiverDoc said, that was a missed part of the puzzle, and I can't imagine why it wasn't done.

I am at a disadvantage because I work with live patients, but I agree with much of what you said. In live patients when I get a result of a potassium of say, 7, that comes from the lab as “critical”!! And the first question is to ask if the blood was sitting around before it went to the lab, because old cells will ‘open up’ and release potassium giving a false result. The intervention is to draw another stat and track it so it gets to the lab stat too. I agree the dehydration alone would account for the elevated creatinine (although the sodium was fine, and ems likely gave if fluids). It’s abnormal but not going to kill anyone that day. The heart fibrotic changes are typical for long-standing untreated hypertension. The atherosclerotic disease just means he was at risk for a heart attack, not a PE.

I am a MD, btw, but gardenkeep I truly value your opinion here. I only read the report once but I don’t recall a finding of other DVTs in the calves. The finding of so so many emboli, all over both lungs, and the tissues described as uniformly ischemic (purplish) is odd to me and seems like an acute event. Micoremboli would be able to travel from the lungs to the heart (leading to a few in heart vessels) then out to the big hose that is the aorta to successively smaller vessels before they get lodged as little brown marks in the fingernails, or reddened/ischemic patches on fingers or toes. We have none of that, only the lungs. I am a little out of my depth

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

It's not unusual for a career truck driver to suffer a pulmonary embolism (as well as atherosclerotic and hypertensive cardiovascular disease).

But, on the day following the day TD's body is exhumed? What an extraordinary coincidence.

Worst case scenario? The news frightened him and precipitated a crisis.

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

Administered by EMS for presumptive OD? Or in the ER?? Just a GUESS.

(Note: I have no idea whether EMS carries this where Alex was located or what their protocols might be, so again...a GUESS about one reason he might be positive.)

It’s a good guess. Narcan is routine; most states allow it to be administered by first responders without consulting the ER or a doctor.

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

WHY would emergency health personnel administer Narcan to someone who has had symptoms for a week prior to becoming unconscious? What would that do to a person who is suffering a pulmonary embolism?

First responders don’t get medical histories. Narcan is standard and harmless in cardio-vascular events.

 

[SeattleStew]

Nate Eaton - Reporter
Just spoke with Melani and Ian Pawlowski via Zoom for 90 minutes. No questions were off limits and they answered everything I asked. We are splitting the interview into three parts (for video processing purposes) and will post it without any edits starting tomorrow.

MOO. What I observed was two completely terrified people who IMO looked as if they were part of a "hostage video."

MOO. They feel threatened, and not by/from LE or the media.

 

[Sorelle19]

Melani Pawlowski speaks about her childhood, family deaths and her sudden Las Vegas wedding | East Idaho News

From the interview:

1) Melani says she moved to Idaho in November and it was a coincidence that Ian lived right across the street from her! She placed an ad on a dating site and lo and behold, he saw it! Not buying it.

2) Melani says Alex had been courting Zulema for months, really wanted to marry her, and she was waiting for the "right time." Also, she is having a hard time dealing with his loss.

3) Melani says it was a total coincidence that she and Ian decided to get married the day after Zulema and Alex. They basically bumped into each other in Vegas. Not buying that either.

 

[Onsdag]

How do we think a Gilbert, AZ officer (this is not the PI) would do "intermittent" surveillance in ID? Surely he wouldn't fly out every few days? Or drive back and forth. Was this surveillance electronic? Otherwise, it seems he would go to ID and his surveillance would be almost constant. Do they call it intermittent because he slept and used the restroom?

Also, if they were surveiling Lori beginning in November, wouldn't they have known she flew to Kauai the first time? Maybe they said intermittent because they lost track of her?

Perhaps his primary target was Alex, and therefore any surveillance on Lori was "intermittent?" Just thinking out loud, I really don't know.

 

[Sorelle19]

MOO. What I observed was two completely terrified people who IMO looked as if they were part of a "hostage video."
MOO. They feel threatened, and not by/from LE or the media.

To me, she looked very relaxed. To me, she comes across like all of the women in he family, i.e, "this is no big deal, it's all coincidence or misinformation" etc etc. Ian, on the other hand, gave her a whole bunch of side eye. To me, he looked like he was processing what she was saying and in a couple cases, looked like it was the first time her was hearing some of the info. Also, we learn that Melani called Alex the day he died about some issues in her NEW marriage and that Alex counseled her. These two might not make it.

 

[SeattleStew]

But did Chad's kids know her at the time of the CA vacation? Didn't one of his sons declare that "my dad met a widow and got married"?. and something like "he makes mistakes, but he's a good guy"

Chad Daybell made ‘significant’ increases to wife’s life insurance policy DAYS before her sudden death; son says dad has ‘done some bad things’: Report

The friend shared a conversation she had with Daybell’s son shortly after Tammy Daybell’s death.


“We were talking about how his family is doing and he told me his dad remarried,” she told East Idaho News.


“I thought it was a joke because he kind of laughed about it afterward. I laughed and he said, ‘No, I’m serious. My dad went to Hawaii on a business trip and met a widow and they just got married.’”

snipped by me

The son then made a cryptic comment about his father, apparently without elaborating.


“I’ll never forget he said, ‘My dad’s not a bad guy – he’s just done some bad things,’” the friend said.

 

[SeattleStew]

To me, she looked very relaxed. To me, she comes across like all of the women in he family, i.e, "this is no big deal, it's all coincidence or misinformation" etc etc. Ian, on the other hand, gave her a whole bunch of side eye. To me, he looked like he was processing what she was saying and in a couple cases, looked like it was the first time her was hearing some of the info. Also, we learn that Melani called Alex the day he died about some issues in her NEW marriage and that Alex counseled her. These two might not make it.

I respect your observations. It is so interesting how two people see different things. I was struck by how breathy she spoke, and a lot of word salad. IMO. I also re-read the IP documents and if you read those, and watch the interview, it was like two different Melanie's. IMO.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I respect your observations. It is so interesting how two people see different things. I was struck by how breathy she spoke, and a lot of word salad. IMO. I also re-read the IP documents and if you read those, and watch the interview, it was like two different Melanie's. IMO.

Yeah. Didn't Melani herself tell Ian "sometimes kids go dark"? Jmo