Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[Tortoise]

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So from the interview we learn that Melani was not close to Alex most of her life, and was closer to her uncle Adam.

It appears she suddenly got close with Alex around June 2019 - which is when she told Brandon she wanted a divorce. We also know from Ian's notes that Melani told Ian "that Brandon had been possessed by a demon or another dark entity some time after June"

She said to EIN: "but after starting to have challenges in my last marriage, Alex was a truck driver and you could just call him, he always answered."

and a part left out of the transcript by EIN, she relays after some thought, the reason for not being close with Alex:

"I wasn't super close with Alex, he, um, I didn't ever get his jokes, he was a comedian and I just was always like I don't, I'm, it probably takes me a minute to process, like longer than most people, so I would never really like connect as much with Alex as I did with Adam or Lori, but um,"

(timestamp in video 20:16 - watch her demeanor change from worry about how she's going to explain it, to laughing it off)

We also know that Lori said on the day of Charles' shooting she hadn't spoken to Adam in a long time. And we know that Charles was in contact with Adam over the email she sent to Chad in June.


Melani is 31. She came back into the Cox fold when she was 15, when Tylee was around 2. I believe I read in one of the threads that she nannied for Tylee for a while.

EIN: "Finally, when I was 15, I found my uncle Adam" and "connecting all the ties from age 9 to 15. For all those years, they didn’t have me"


Why would Melani suddenly connect with Alex, 15 years after being back with the Cox family? The same month Lori returned to Arizona from Texas. The same month Brandon became a zombie. Why would she turn to the uncle she was least close with, to talk about her divorce? She must have suddenly come to like his jokes, 15 years later. June 2019.

CBS:

Janis, Alex was your son, and he has been described as the family hitman.

JC: (Laughs) I can’t help but laugh. Alex is the most laid back person. He’s been funny his whole life. He was protective of, very protective of Colby and Tylee. Very protective. He said I tasered a paedophile, and so he said I’m willing to admit it, he’s he’s always owned up to anything he’s done wrong. He certainly wasn’t perfect. But he doesn’t have the intensity of a hitman. He doesn’t have the desire to be hit…he doesn’t think that death solves anything.

2019 - Adam was in the doghouse. Alex was the uncle of the year. I hope Nate presses them on the zombie notes, because she knows exactly how to wriggle out of a direct question, just like her Aunt Summer and her Aunt Lori. IMO

 

[Riverdoc]

removed by me for spellcheck nonsense

 

[Riverdoc]

Does anyone know whether tox was done for BENZOs? I can't read the reports. I read that benzo OD can cause embolisms as well as carbon monoxide poisoning can.

Yeah, that (benzos) is strangely excluded as well. That is included in our standard “drug screen” for live patients

 

[Nurse Gen]

Chad Daybell made ‘significant’ increases to wife’s life insurance policy DAYS before her sudden death; son says dad has ‘done some bad things’: Report

The friend shared a conversation she had with Daybell’s son shortly after Tammy Daybell’s death.


“We were talking about how his family is doing and he told me his dad remarried,” she told East Idaho News.


“I thought it was a joke because he kind of laughed about it afterward. I laughed and he said, ‘No, I’m serious. My dad went to Hawaii on a business trip and met a widow and they just got married.’”

snipped by me

The son then made a cryptic comment about his father, apparently without elaborating.


“I’ll never forget he said, ‘My dad’s not a bad guy – he’s just done some bad things,’” the friend said.

My bad. I think my source re: kids reference to Lori as a family friend who helped them cope with Tammy's death is SM post by Chad's daughter so not relevant under TOS here

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

The report lists what was included in their tox panel, which has some weird inclusions (like gabapentin, why? That’s not terribly lethal or illicit) and weird exclusions (no amphetamines? No opiates?) but it is likely their local usual panel. It is only positive for caffeine, the other substances you name were negative for their “cutoff” range. The weird part about the caffeine for me is that is not very Mormon. My Mormon friends are pretty strict about the no caffiene rule, though they might be more relaxed on the hot beverages (who can resist hot chocolate? Jesus will understand). Although Lori doesn’t seem to abide by the Mormon in good standing attire expectations, so maybe they imbibe in caffeinated beverages too?

I was told that gabapentin is starting to be "abused" and might become much more restricted soon (although I have no idea why, it has no acute effect, you can feel more from 2 benedryls). So I guess they include it on a tox screen to see if either prescription or street drugs are being abused. Moo.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I never understood why I just felt something off in my heart, but I have
no judgment or resentment on why my dad did the things he did. I wish to this day he would just say it for what it is and be real about it because that’s how we grow.

Melani says the above. But clearly, her father is the villain 100% in her retelling her life story.

Jmo

 

[FindingJoLee]

Janis, Alex was your son, and he has been described as the family hitman.

JC: (Laughs) I can’t help but laugh. Alex is the most laid back person. He’s been funny his whole life. He was protective of, very protective of Colby and Tylee. Very protective. He said I tasered a paedophile, and so he said I’m willing to admit it, he’s he’s always owned up to anything he’s done wrong. He certainly wasn’t perfect. But he doesn’t have the intensity of a hitman. He doesn’t have the desire to be hit…he doesn’t think that death solves anything.

Sorry to snip, just wanted to go back to this exchange because I thought it was totally bizarre.

Alex shot Joe and murdered Charles. What kind of "laid back" person is that?? He doesn't think death solves anything....what in the world...that really begs the question of why he killed a man that was "bugging" his sister?

Baffling answer.

 

[Diddian]

A few more notes on the interview - all MOO:

MP emphasizes she will "keep revealing truth" and later says "share what we do know and share truth" like those are two separate things. It seems she is differentiating between what she knows from typical experience (observation, being told, personally doing) vs. "truth" as personal revelation, something she receives in a spiritual way.

MP says "when Tylee and JJ show up and are here again..." and goes on to say other things. I think Nate is a great interviewer, but I so wish that he had come back to that and asked "What do you think that will look like?" Is she talking about Tylee and JJ returning alive and well, or is she talking about in some spiritual way?

The narrative about ZP and AxC sounds like a created narrative and it contradicts what others have revealed. For instance the official who conducted the marriage ceremony described it as cold, quick, and perfunctory. That is hardly the conduct typical of two who're in love and eager to marry; it sounds more like marriage as arrangement, and the fact that ZP's son did not even know they were married, even though he lived in the same home as the two of them, reinforces that. Marriages have implications for the children involved, but ZP and AxC hadn't even informed ZP's son who lived with the two of them.

The disconnecting of AxC's marriage in Vegas with MP's marriage is not credible. It is not believable that they "just happened" to marry at nearly the same time and in the same place and so quickly after meeting ZP and IP, especially so quickly on the heels of MP's divorce. Outside the context of the reported "gathering of 144,000," the quickie serial marriages in Vegas would be odd, but in the context of it, there is just no way these are not somehow arranged marriages for some purpose related to that context.

Also, I wonder who or what ZP was going to "receive an answer" from in making her decision about whether or not to marry AxC. Would that involve other persons, or is she referring to prayer?

Much of the rest of MP's statements seem like an attempt to create a narrative to explain away what may be a record of repetitive communications between MP and AxC, perhaps at times critical in relation to other events. That MP even mentions she wrote down some of what AxC advised her during these communications and that the advice related to her relationship with Ian may be an attempt to explain away communications from AxC that actually related to other events (such as shooting of BB, death of TD, or disappearance of the children).

 

[Teche]

Yes! I'm happy that they were willing to open up and speak to Nate Eaton. While I look forward to hearing more from them I'm actually more hoping that others, including Chad's family, will follow their lead and start sharing their stories and what they know. It takes a great deal of courage to step onto the public stage and share your views, and I applaud them for it. Hopefully as people begin to share more we can figure out what's going on, get to the bottom of this and hopefully find those kids! MOO.

I would prefer to hear from Chad’s siblings and Lolo’s brother and nephew. It seems like Colby gave a realistic view of Lolo...both the good and the bad.

 

[SeattleStew]

dbm

 

[Love Never Fails]

Just looking at the point @Diddian made about the POI possibly choosing well frequented locations to obscure nefarious acts and/or obscure their being at the location in any investigation of cell phone and other digital evidence. Diddian identified YNP and Knotts Berry Farm; Las Vegas is a 3rd well frequented location

Ok I just thought the two locations were far from each other. I didn’t understand. Thank you.

 

[FindingJoLee]

A few more notes on the interview - all MOO:

MP emphasizes she will "keep revealing truth" and later says "share what we do know and share truth" like those are two separate things. It seems she is differentiating between what she knows from typical experience (observation, being told, personally doing) vs. "truth" as personal revelation, something she receives in a spiritual way.

MP says "when Tylee and JJ show up and are here again..." and goes on to say other things. I think Nate is a great interviewer, but I so wish that he had come back to that and asked "What do you think that will look like?" Is she talking about Tylee and JJ returning alive and well, or is she talking about in some spiritual way?

The narrative about ZP and AxC sounds like a created narrative and it contradicts what others have revealed. For instance the official who conducted the marriage ceremony described it as cold, quick, and perfunctory. That is hardly the conduct typical of two who're in love and eager to marry; it sounds more like marriage as arrangement, and the fact that ZP's son did not even know they were married, even though he lived in the same home as the two of them, reinforces that. Marriages have implications for the children involved, but ZP and AxC hadn't even informed ZP's son who lived with the two of them.

The disconnecting of AxC's marriage in Vegas with MP's marriage is not credible. It is not believable that they "just happened" to marry at nearly the same time and in the same place and so quickly after meeting ZP and IP, especially so quickly on the heels of MP's divorce. Outside the context of the reported "gathering of 144,000," the quickie serial marriages in Vegas would be odd, but in the context of it, there is just no way these are not somehow arranged marriages for some purpose related to that context.

Also, I wonder who or what ZP was going to "receive an answer" from in making her decision about whether or not to marry AxC. Would that involve other persons, or is she referring to prayer?

Much of the rest of MP's statements seem like an attempt to create a narrative to explain away what may be a record of repetitive communications between MP and AxC, perhaps at times critical in relation to other events. That MP even mentions she wrote down some of what AxC advised her during these communications and that the advice related to her relationship with Ian may be an attempt to explain away communications from AxC that actually related to other events (such as shooting of BB, death of TD, or disappearance of the children).

She explains every situation as a coincidence when a simple truth would explain things: "Alex and I and our future spouses all decided to get married in Vegas on the same weekend because we're buds, we thought it would be fun and so we planned it that way!"

When people tell fibs even when the truth is more satisfying and logistically works better...I start to wonder some things. Like....why????

 

[Love Never Fails]

What we know is that key figures in this case were in those locations on known dates, and if captured on surveillance (as at West Yellowstone entrance) or if cellphone locations at a particular time or timeframe are known, then LE can use that information to request cell tower dumps at those two locations for specific times or timeframes.

Why do that?

It would be done to identify cellphone numbers in those separate cell tower dumps that appear on BOTH lists. IF those cellphones that appear on both lists belong to known or suspected associates of CD/LVD, you may have identified who CD/LVD hoped to meet without detection. And if you can identify known or suspected associates of CD/LVD that they hoped to meet without detection, you may have found an avenue to locating the children.

Oh I get it. Thanks. I really appreciate all the help I can get.

 

[Teche]

I am at a disadvantage because I work with live patients, but I agree with much of what you said. In live patients when I get a result of a potassium of say, 7, that comes from the lab as “critical”!! And the first question is to ask if the blood was sitting around before it went to the lab, because old cells will ‘open up’ and release potassium giving a false result. The intervention is to draw another stat and track it so it gets to the lab stat too. I agree the dehydration alone would account for the elevated creatinine (although the sodium was fine, and ems likely gave if fluids). It’s abnormal but not going to kill anyone that day. The heart fibrotic changes are typical for long-standing untreated hypertension. The atherosclerotic disease just means he was at risk for a heart attack, not a PE.

I am a MD, btw, but gardenkeep I truly value your opinion here. I only read the report once but I don’t recall a finding of other DVTs in the calves. The finding of so so many emboli, all over both lungs, and the tissues described as uniformly ischemic (purplish) is odd to me and seems like an acute event. Micoremboli would be able to travel from the lungs to the heart (leading to a few in heart vessels) then out to the big hose that is the aorta to successively smaller vessels before they get lodged as little brown marks in the fingernails, or reddened/ischemic patches on fingers or toes. We have none of that, only the lungs. I am a little out of my depth

With the family history of PEs/deep vein thrombosis, you’d think they’d be tested for Factor V Leiden.

 

[MadTing]

What was the original source for the notes found on ians computer regarding the zombie talk etc? were these notes confirmed to have been found by law enforcement?

 

[ReadySet]

I have no doubt MP had a lot of trauma in her childhood.

Having said that, it stood out to me the frequent referencing of openess, truth, and sharing what we know. Too much.

 

[FindingJoLee]

This is totally off the general train of the conversation right now, but does anyone know if Kay and Larry have ever used a spokesperson like an attorney...or have they done all of the talking themselves? I don't feel like I've ever seen anyone making statements for them, and whether that was a conscious choice of something that happened naturally....very, very smart that they started to do that early and continue to do it regularly. The way they present themselves is very warm and credible. You can feel their broken hearts.

Speaking of that, because it's Mother's Day, I want to shout out to Gramma Kay -- you have done SO GOOD by these children! Without you, their disappearance could have gone unnoticed....and if they are found alive, they will have you to thank forever. You are the ultimate Gramma.

 

[MadTing]

So Melani's dad takes her away from her mother and they go "into hiding" living in hotels and he doesn't let her have any contact with that side of her family until she is 15 years old when she uses the internet herself to search for loris side of the family again.

Why did her dad seemingly go to these extreme lengths to remove melani from this family when she was a child? Did her dad also realize they were all cray cray?

 

[Diddian]

So Melani's dad takes her away from her mother and they go "into hiding" living in hotels and he doesn't let her have any contact with that side of her family until she is 15 years old when she uses the internet herself to search for loris side of the family again.

Why did her dad seemingly go to these extreme lengths to remove melani from this family when she was a child? Did her dad also realize they were all cray cray?

He got full custody, so it appears a court agreed.

 

[Nurse Gen]

I respect your observations. It is so interesting how two people see different things. I was struck by how breathy she spoke, and a lot of word salad. IMO. I also re-read the IP documents and if you read those, and watch the interview, it was like two different Melanie's. IMO.

Look at Ian's hands, constantly fiddling with the bottle he's holding. Melani keeps grabbing her right arm-hard-while she's speaking.
At times she does seem a bit more relaxed and spontaneous in her manner, notably when she was describing her mother's medical condition, and she described Type 1 diabetes and the complication of gastroparesis accurately; so probably can assume she not lying at the point where she is more relaxed since what she's saying is verifiable medical information